Auspol August: The Greens Echo Chamber

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ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Also we didn't know how to sell those products well to other economies and have too small a base to support local goods compared to any competition, and many still don't. Hence the rent-seeking.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:15

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 00:01

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Sky News is playing on campus and the caster responded to footage of those protesters getting into Turnbull speech with;

If a bunch of greenie protesters can get into an event with fake media passes and protest signs. What's stopping a Islamic state member getting in with a fake media pass and a bomb?

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:17

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Cartoon posted:

One graph is going up. One is going down.

Are you implying that protectionism is the one and only possible reason for this or what?

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:19

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:19

TheMightyHandful: Dec 8, 2008

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss.

It depends.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:23

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss.

That is welfare.

When the government spends money for the direct purpose of raising or defending living standard, in this case by giving people jobs, that's welfare.

Work for the Dole, on the other hand, is not welfare. It decreases living standard because it creates an environment where people can be employed for less than the value of labour the government has decided is the bare minimum to maintain a decent standard of living.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:31

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

I'm thinking this whole economy thing is a little more complex than people are making out in this thread.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:34

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Tokamak posted:

I'm thinking this whole economy thing is a little more complex than people are making out in this thread.

It's certainly a lot more complex than the government explains it. I was listening to the radio this morning and had to deal with Scott Morrison attempting to convince Australia that the budget is like a bank account.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:36

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Endman posted:

It's certainly a lot more complex than the government explains it. I was listening to the radio this morning and had to deal with Scott Morrison attempting to convince Australia that the budget is like a bank account.

I'd like to think with the ubiquity of social media that people are slowly starting to wise up with that sort bullshit. That he had to go on radio to spruik that sort of poo poo ought to be telling.

It has started to happen with things like holding politicians accountable to promises and statements that they've previously made. I also wouldn't be shocked if the Internet played a part in convincing people on contentious issues such as climate change and privatisation. The economy might be a little more complex of an issue, but I like to be optimistic that people can be convinced of the notion that it is more complex than soundbites that politicians like to make. I think the tax cuts will lead to more and better jobs is one argument that has been eroded over the years partly due to online discussion.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:59

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss.

wrong unless every industry you're subsidising is made up of co-operatives

# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:02

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Australians shocked and angered that Vietnam doesn't want to celebrate the 50th anniversary of a horrible war

# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:09

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

tbf to vietnam it's not like that war began or ended with australian involvement

# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:22

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Australians shocked and angered that Vietnam doesn't want to celebrate the 50th anniversary of a horrible war

Pho shops gonna get smashed up over this

# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:39

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

thatbastardken posted:

tbf to vietnam it's not like that war began or ended with australian involvement

# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:48

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Australians shocked and angered that Vietnam doesn't want to celebrate the 50th anniversary of a horrible war

Ugh stop celebrating wars you lost you stupid country.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:10

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Huh what?! Australia lost the Vietnam war?!

# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:15

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Endman posted:

It's certainly a lot more complex than the government explains it. I was listening to the radio this morning and had to deal with Scott Morrison attempting to convince Australia that the budget is like a bank account.

And that's why no one ever goes into personal debt.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:21

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Starshark posted:

Ugh stop celebrating wars you lost you stupid country.

Normally I don't really care what or how people commemorate events like this, but I agree that

quote:

gala dinner, concert and the expectation of more than 1,000 Australians at the Long Tan memorial cross

Seems pretty insensitive.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:33

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Zenithe posted:

Normally I don't really care what or how people commemorate events like this, but I agree that

Seems pretty insensitive.

The Turks let us get away with it :shrug:

# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:45

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

gay picnic defence posted:

The Turks let us get away with it

Fresh In Our Memories�

# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:55

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

On the other hand, Vietnamese authorities waited until the bus was already on the way instead of cancelling the event weeks in advance.

I agree that celebrating a battle in the country of the people you fought against is bizarre and pretty insensitive, but I reckon there might be something else at play here.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:57

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork?

# ? Aug 17, 2016 11:54

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

SynthOrange posted:

So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork?

I hope you actually get a decent response, even if it does take a while.

I'm going through something similar regarding a van that reversed into me in traffic, which popped the front tyre of my motorbike around the same time as your incident.

I really need that reimbursement for a new tyre and a couple of towing services used... I got a $93 parking ticket at uni today. I bought a ticket and was in a rush, and didn't realise I was parked in a permit zone.

It was in the middle of a gravel car park, which holds hundreds, why have just a few permit spots in the middle of a deadshit parking lot! loving Allah give me strength (money).

# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:05

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

It's really hosed, because I left my sunglasses at home and as a result I couldn't loving look up, all day. It was a nightmare and evidently these are the types of things you experience when you can't raise your eyes off the ground lol..

That's what I get for driving instead of riding, no relief from my wrist pain and a $93 arse-loving.

Full communism now.

Redcordial fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Aug 17, 2016

# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:11

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

SynthOrange posted:

So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork?

That's a good thing right? Might not need to replace his phone?

# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:11

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

SynthOrange posted:

So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork?

Or might have been the thing that started that big raid on those places in the Western suburbs...

# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:22

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

SynthOrange posted:

So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork?

prob fine but ???

# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:42

Redcordial: Nov 7, 2009; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

You Am I posted:

Or might have been the thing that started that big raid on those places in the Western suburbs...

That would be hilarious, and I'm willing to disregard the probability for a few short moments.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:53

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Central Bankers...... :barf:

quote:

RBA boss Glenn Stevens: Parents should expect they'll have to help their kids buy a house

The surge in property prices, especially in Sydney and Melbourne has made home owners extremely wealthy but cruelled the prospect of home ownership for many who aren�t already in the market.

That�s especially true for younger Australians.

That is causing some intergenerational issues in housing, which is a bigger question than �is there a housing bubble or not� according to RBA governor Glenn Stevens in the full transcript of his interview with the Australian and Wall Street Journal.

Stevens acknowledged �it�s always been hard to be that cohort that�s trying to enter the market. There�s always been a hurdle. It may be getting worse, though part of this is � I mean, there�s a lot of things happening here�.

One of things that�s happening, Stevens believes, is that a chunk of the wealth home owners think they are sitting on in their house will prove ephemeral. That�s because if they want their children to own a home then they are going to have to give them some of that cash to do so.

Here�s Stevens (our emphasis):

I think that a lot of people of my generation are actually going to find themselves, if they haven�t already, helping their children into the housing market because that may be almost the only way that their children can enter the Sydney market, anyway, and be not too far from mum and dad. And I suspect that will happen a lot, and that, of course, means that for people of my age, that the wealth we think we have in our house, actually, we don�t have quite as much as we thought because we�re going to have to give some of it to the next generation.

He acknowledged that for renters locked out of the property market this could mean the issue perpetuates into the next generation.

But his point about the shared wealth of families is also an important one for the future. It suggests for many children of those with property, who feel locked out of the market, the problem of home ownership can be self-curing.

That�s because, as Stevens notes, older Australians can share their wealth now.

But equally at some point, there will be an inter-generational wealth transfer when the older, home owning, family members leave their property to their kids, or quite possibly their grandchildren, as an inheritence.

With the nuclear family shrinking, and the number of children and grandchildren on average reduced from a generation or two ago, there is likely to be a large number of younger Australians coming into some serious wealth when their parents or grandparents pass on.

It could take a decade or two, but ultimately younger Australians could end up the longest living and richest generation in the nation�s history.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/stevens-parents-should-expect-theyll-have-to-help-their-kids-buy-a-house-2016-8

# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:52

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Central Bankers......

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/stevens-parents-should-expect-theyll-have-to-help-their-kids-buy-a-house-2016-8

what a time to be alive

# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:54

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

I too long for the wealth of a dead family in my middle age

# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:55

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

Why fix anything, eventually the boomers will just loving die and it'll be someone else's problem - a boomer

# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:56

Xerxes17: Feb 17, 2011

Cartoon posted:

OK resident hawks. What about the Crimea? Ukraine? Tibet? Why aren't we actively pursuing military options in each of those cases? If we really want the Chinese to sit up and take notice we should slam some import restrictions on them. Now that also would need to be done with some care because people who know recent history will recall that this was a significant factor in Japan taking preemptive action against the US. The Chinese and the Vietnamese have been at each other for centuries. Remember this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War.

I am not a hawk. I just see that having a military is needed and especially if one of your neighbors is embarking on a policy of opportunistic expansionism with it's own military.

We're not getting stuck in with Crimea as it's on the other side of the planet to us, not that we shouldn't be supporting Ukraine again naked foreign aggression. Tibet is unfortunately a case of "too bad" because nobody in that area is going to let the waterheads go unclaimed mixed with il fait accompli. But it is on that point that we should be opposing China in regards to the SCS because this is the sort of thing that has to be stopped at the start.

quote:

Now that also would need to be done with some care because people who know recent history will recall that this was a significant factor in Japan taking preemptive action against the US.

loving laffo, the Japanese we waging an aggressive imperialist war against China and the US wanted them to stop and as such cut off their oil. Japanese aggression was in no way "preemptive", just the opening shot of a war they considered inevitable.

quote:

The current claims and small actions in the South China Sea are reprehensible but any response has to be carefully planned and of a proximate level. It would additionally be nice if it was carefully tuned to achieve results rather than escalate matters. Unless you are an accelerationist, no level of escalation (or the build up of forces and materials) is a worthwhile outcome. As ever it won't be Rand McNaly and Serco that do the suffering and dying.

Let's get back to the original article, "US must prepare for war against X" is a Rand Corporation staple that it shits out at regular intervals, professional Clancy chat writ large. Nobody in positions of power are thinking "hmm yess, how do I move things towards a massive regional war". Everyone is treating this with kid gloves because nobody wants to have a war over this, but the CCP are trying things on to see how far they can push and it seems the only thing stopping them is the very subtle threat of force. They've had no problem ramming Vietnamese coast guard ships in Vietnamese waters, but will just squawk angrily if the USN steams by. Teh difference in response can be seen in the power dynamics between the actors.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:12

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Kat Delacour posted:

Why fix anything, eventually the boomers will just loving die and it'll be someone else's problem - a boomer

I prefer to think of it as the boomers dying will solve the problem

# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:28

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

I propose a final solution to the boomer problem

# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:37

Au Revoir Shosanna: Feb 17, 2011; i support this government and/or service

open24hours posted:

The massive increases in GDP? Australia has done very well out of free trade, blaming the problems that occurred simultaneously on free trade is not much different from blaming them on immigrants or the end of the White Australia policy. Increases in inequality aren't caused by trade policy and jacking up tariffs wouldn't reduce inequality.

[edit: I'm talking about free trade as a concept here, which we should be pursuing unilaterally instead of making stupid complicated deals. Those deals are what really appeal to the neoliberals because they allow for further weakening of state power and corresponding increases in corporate power.]

Good response. I'm not really attacking free trade here as I am trying to attack broader neoliberal economics, so I guess the question is would our GDP still have increased to the same degree if we were relying on more traditional Keynesian economics and not loving the poor quite so hard?

I know this is all hypothetical theory crafting but I've also never understood how otherwise rational, intelligent people could fall over themselves to defend Liberal economic policies that specifically gently caress them over with nothing to back themselves up, and I feel like I'm missing something.

I blame immigrants and the echo chamber, in that order.

(also sorry for my slow posting i'm in a different timezone)

# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:39

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Au Revoir Shosanna posted:

(also sorry for my slow posting i'm in a different timezone)

You lucky fucker.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:44

Au Revoir Shosanna: Feb 17, 2011; i support this government and/or service

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

You lucky fucker.

come join me in comrade obamas socialist paradise

# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:53

Pickled Tink: Apr 28, 2012; Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.

Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.; Fun Shoe

I haven't posted first dog in a while, and the politoons thread complained and made me get up of my arse and do it, so here is the backlog:

27th of July:

Australians are still racist.

29th of July:

USA

2nd of August:

Australian election results.

4th of August:

The state of NSW is banning Greyhound Racing (Good).

5th of August:

#Censusfail

9th of August:

Save a dog.

10th of August:

Leaked reports of abuse on Nauru. Nothing we didn't already know. No one cares.

12th of August:

No one is really caring about the reports of abuse.

17th of August:

The conservatives march to kill all scientists continues.

# ? Aug 17, 2016 17:41

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 00:01

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Au Revoir Shosanna posted:

Good response. I'm not really attacking free trade here as I am trying to attack broader neoliberal economics, so I guess the question is would our GDP still have increased to the same degree if we were relying on more traditional Keynesian economics and not loving the poor quite so hard?

I know this is all hypothetical theory crafting but I've also never understood how otherwise rational, intelligent people could fall over themselves to defend Liberal economic policies that specifically gently caress them over with nothing to back themselves up, and I feel like I'm missing something.

I blame immigrants and the echo chamber, in that order.

(also sorry for my slow posting i'm in a different timezone)

There was an article published a while back (around the time Thatcher died I think) that pointed out that if you compared the increases in GDP of the UK and a bunch of scandinavian countries from the time Thatcher introduced neoliberalism to the UK you ended up with fairly similar numbers. The UK GDP increased faster but fell a lot more in the crashes while the scandinavian countries were steadier.

I haven't seen the actual figures myself though so I can't confirm if that is actually true

# ? Aug 17, 2016 21:06

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