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Also we didn't know how to sell those products well to other economies and have too small a base to support local goods compared to any competition, and many still don't. Hence the rent-seeking.
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Sky News is playing on campus and the caster responded to footage of those protesters getting into Turnbull speech with; If a bunch of greenie protesters can get into an event with fake media passes and protest signs. What's stopping a Islamic state member getting in with a fake media pass and a bomb?
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:17 |
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Cartoon posted:One graph is going up. One is going down.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:19 |
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Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss. It depends.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:23 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss. That is welfare. When the government spends money for the direct purpose of raising or defending living standard, in this case by giving people jobs, that's welfare. Work for the Dole, on the other hand, is not welfare. It decreases living standard because it creates an environment where people can be employed for less than the value of labour the government has decided is the bare minimum to maintain a decent standard of living.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:31 |
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I'm thinking this whole economy thing is a little more complex than people are making out in this thread.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:34 |
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Tokamak posted:I'm thinking this whole economy thing is a little more complex than people are making out in this thread. It's certainly a lot more complex than the government explains it. I was listening to the radio this morning and had to deal with Scott Morrison attempting to convince Australia that the budget is like a bank account.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:36 |
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Endman posted:It's certainly a lot more complex than the government explains it. I was listening to the radio this morning and had to deal with Scott Morrison attempting to convince Australia that the budget is like a bank account. I'd like to think with the ubiquity of social media that people are slowly starting to wise up with that sort bullshit. That he had to go on radio to spruik that sort of poo poo ought to be telling. It has started to happen with things like holding politicians accountable to promises and statements that they've previously made. I also wouldn't be shocked if the Internet played a part in convincing people on contentious issues such as climate change and privatisation. The economy might be a little more complex of an issue, but I like to be optimistic that people can be convinced of the notion that it is more complex than soundbites that politicians like to make. I think the tax cuts will lead to more and better jobs is one argument that has been eroded over the years partly due to online discussion.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 08:59 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Unprofitable subsidised and protected industries are better value-for-money than welfare. Discuss. wrong unless every industry you're subsidising is made up of co-operatives
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:02 |
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Australians shocked and angered that Vietnam doesn't want to celebrate the 50th anniversary of a horrible war
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:09 |
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tbf to vietnam it's not like that war began or ended with australian involvement
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:22 |
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Australians shocked and angered that Vietnam doesn't want to celebrate the 50th anniversary of a horrible war Pho shops gonna get smashed up over this
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:39 |
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thatbastardken posted:tbf to vietnam it's not like that war began or ended with australian involvement
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 09:48 |
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Australians shocked and angered that Vietnam doesn't want to celebrate the 50th anniversary of a horrible war Ugh stop celebrating wars you lost you stupid country.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:10 |
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Huh what?! Australia lost the Vietnam war?!
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:15 |
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Endman posted:It's certainly a lot more complex than the government explains it. I was listening to the radio this morning and had to deal with Scott Morrison attempting to convince Australia that the budget is like a bank account. And that's why no one ever goes into personal debt.
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Starshark posted:Ugh stop celebrating wars you lost you stupid country. Normally I don't really care what or how people commemorate events like this, but I agree that quote:gala dinner, concert and the expectation of more than 1,000 Australians at the Long Tan memorial cross Seems pretty insensitive.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:33 |
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Zenithe posted:Normally I don't really care what or how people commemorate events like this, but I agree that The Turks let us get away with it
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:45 |
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gay picnic defence posted:The Turks let us get away with it Fresh In Our Memories™
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:55 |
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On the other hand, Vietnamese authorities waited until the bus was already on the way instead of cancelling the event weeks in advance. I agree that celebrating a battle in the country of the people you fought against is bizarre and pretty insensitive, but I reckon there might be something else at play here.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 10:57 |
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So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork?
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 11:54 |
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SynthOrange posted:So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork? I hope you actually get a decent response, even if it does take a while. I'm going through something similar regarding a van that reversed into me in traffic, which popped the front tyre of my motorbike around the same time as your incident. I really need that reimbursement for a new tyre and a couple of towing services used... I got a $93 parking ticket at uni today. I bought a ticket and was in a rush, and didn't realise I was parked in a permit zone. It was in the middle of a gravel car park, which holds hundreds, why have just a few permit spots in the middle of a deadshit parking lot! loving Allah give me strength (money).
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:05 |
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It's really hosed, because I left my sunglasses at home and as a result I couldn't loving look up, all day. It was a nightmare and evidently these are the types of things you experience when you can't raise your eyes off the ground lol.. That's what I get for driving instead of riding, no relief from my wrist pain and a $93 arse-loving. Full communism now. Redcordial fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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SynthOrange posted:So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork? That's a good thing right? Might not need to replace his phone?
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:11 |
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SynthOrange posted:So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork? Or might have been the thing that started that big raid on those places in the Western suburbs...
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:22 |
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SynthOrange posted:So its been two months since the incident with the upf member at the train station. I assume if I havent heard from the police since then, they've just decided to lose it in paperwork? prob fine but ???
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:42 |
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You Am I posted:Or might have been the thing that started that big raid on those places in the Western suburbs... That would be hilarious, and I'm willing to disregard the probability for a few short moments.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 12:53 |
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Central Bankers...... quote:RBA boss Glenn Stevens: Parents should expect they'll have to help their kids buy a house http://www.businessinsider.com.au/stevens-parents-should-expect-theyll-have-to-help-their-kids-buy-a-house-2016-8
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:52 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Central Bankers...... what a time to be alive
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:54 |
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I too long for the wealth of a dead family in my middle age
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:55 |
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Why fix anything, eventually the boomers will just loving die and it'll be someone else's problem - a boomer
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 13:56 |
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Cartoon posted:OK resident hawks. What about the Crimea? Ukraine? Tibet? Why aren't we actively pursuing military options in each of those cases? If we really want the Chinese to sit up and take notice we should slam some import restrictions on them. Now that also would need to be done with some care because people who know recent history will recall that this was a significant factor in Japan taking preemptive action against the US. The Chinese and the Vietnamese have been at each other for centuries. Remember this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War. I am not a hawk. I just see that having a military is needed and especially if one of your neighbors is embarking on a policy of opportunistic expansionism with it's own military. We're not getting stuck in with Crimea as it's on the other side of the planet to us, not that we shouldn't be supporting Ukraine again naked foreign aggression. Tibet is unfortunately a case of "too bad" because nobody in that area is going to let the waterheads go unclaimed mixed with il fait accompli. But it is on that point that we should be opposing China in regards to the SCS because this is the sort of thing that has to be stopped at the start. quote:Now that also would need to be done with some care because people who know recent history will recall that this was a significant factor in Japan taking preemptive action against the US. quote:The current claims and small actions in the South China Sea are reprehensible but any response has to be carefully planned and of a proximate level. It would additionally be nice if it was carefully tuned to achieve results rather than escalate matters. Unless you are an accelerationist, no level of escalation (or the build up of forces and materials) is a worthwhile outcome. As ever it won't be Rand McNaly and Serco that do the suffering and dying. Let's get back to the original article, "US must prepare for war against X" is a Rand Corporation staple that it shits out at regular intervals, professional Clancy chat writ large. Nobody in positions of power are thinking "hmm yess, how do I move things towards a massive regional war". Everyone is treating this with kid gloves because nobody wants to have a war over this, but the CCP are trying things on to see how far they can push and it seems the only thing stopping them is the very subtle threat of force. They've had no problem ramming Vietnamese coast guard ships in Vietnamese waters, but will just squawk angrily if the USN steams by. Teh difference in response can be seen in the power dynamics between the actors.
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Kat Delacour posted:Why fix anything, eventually the boomers will just loving die and it'll be someone else's problem - a boomer I prefer to think of it as the boomers dying will solve the problem
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I propose a final solution to the boomer problem
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:37 |
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open24hours posted:The massive increases in GDP? Australia has done very well out of free trade, blaming the problems that occurred simultaneously on free trade is not much different from blaming them on immigrants or the end of the White Australia policy. Increases in inequality aren't caused by trade policy and jacking up tariffs wouldn't reduce inequality. Good response. I'm not really attacking free trade here as I am trying to attack broader neoliberal economics, so I guess the question is would our GDP still have increased to the same degree if we were relying on more traditional Keynesian economics and not loving the poor quite so hard? I know this is all hypothetical theory crafting but I've also never understood how otherwise rational, intelligent people could fall over themselves to defend Liberal economic policies that specifically gently caress them over with nothing to back themselves up, and I feel like I'm missing something. I blame immigrants and the echo chamber, in that order. (also sorry for my slow posting i'm in a different timezone)
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:39 |
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:(also sorry for my slow posting i'm in a different timezone) You lucky fucker.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 14:44 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:You lucky fucker. come join me in comrade obamas socialist paradise
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I haven't posted first dog in a while, and the politoons thread complained and made me get up of my arse and do it, so here is the backlog: 27th of July: Australians are still racist. 29th of July: USA 2nd of August: Australian election results. 4th of August: The state of NSW is banning Greyhound Racing (Good). 5th of August: #Censusfail 9th of August: Save a dog. 10th of August: Leaked reports of abuse on Nauru. Nothing we didn't already know. No one cares. 12th of August: No one is really caring about the reports of abuse. 17th of August: The conservatives march to kill all scientists continues.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:Good response. I'm not really attacking free trade here as I am trying to attack broader neoliberal economics, so I guess the question is would our GDP still have increased to the same degree if we were relying on more traditional Keynesian economics and not loving the poor quite so hard? There was an article published a while back (around the time Thatcher died I think) that pointed out that if you compared the increases in GDP of the UK and a bunch of scandinavian countries from the time Thatcher introduced neoliberalism to the UK you ended up with fairly similar numbers. The UK GDP increased faster but fell a lot more in the crashes while the scandinavian countries were steadier. I haven't seen the actual figures myself though so I can't confirm if that is actually true
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