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Ah, yeah, Hayashio. Funnily enough, I do remember seeing the escort listed in the screenshot - and then promptly forgot while writing my post after seeing Pitt's post.
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Yessod posted:So, you'd landed, forced the allied troops into the jungle around the town, then when your men were loading back onto transports the allies came charging back out of the jungle, overwhelmed the defenders, and captured the transports with all the troops loading onto them? That's going to make one hell of an epic movie in this timeline. This is almost impossible. He would have had to have fully loaded the transports and then manually disbanded them back into the port (which I'm not sure is even possible) for them to be destroyed when the base fell. Ships just loading get booted out to sea. Saros fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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Lord Koth posted:Was Nachi actually traveling alone, or was the rest of a naval squadron just not present in the action? If she was alone, bad. No warship should be alone without even a few destroyer escorts, even if hunting transports. You hope the American warplanes didn't hang around to pick off any survivors in the water...
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If the American carrier sticks around (and knowing the AI it probably will) we could very well be seeing Coral Sea part 2 here.
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Huh, funningly enough, in the real historical timeline, an Allied heavy Cruiser, the USS Chicago was sunk in an air attack by land-based Japanese bombers not too far off the northern cape of Rennell Island, so the exact opposite side of where the Nachi went to her watery grave. I think you have a carrier problem in the Solomons, Grey. The Allies have got some big dick swagger going on, it's time to use your KB katana and cut it off.
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Is capturing New Caledonia and Fiji feasible as the Japanese? Seems like it would really disrupt the US-Australia convoys
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Jobbo_Fett posted:RIP Private Speech Dammit I take a break from reading this thread and this is what happens. That's what I get for picking a carrier runt I guess.
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Grumio posted:Is capturing New Caledonia and Fiji feasible as the Japanese? Seems like it would really disrupt the US-Australia convoys Yes. I am not sure if it spawns reinfrocement armies like parts of Australia and India. But they are totally capturable.
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Veloxyll posted:Yes. I am not sure if it spawns reinfrocement armies like parts of Australia and India. But they are totally capturable. According to this page, the only automatic reinforcement areas for the Allies are in India, Australia, New Zealand, and the West Coast. Nearly all of the Commonwealth reinforcements listed spawn at Aden or Cape Town with Aden being the bigger spawn point. If a Japanese player times a carrier raid very well and positions a lot of submarines near these hexes, a lot of the emergency reinforcements could probably be interdicted, although this is way easier for the reinforcements bound for the South Pacific and way harder for those heading to India. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Veloxyll posted:Yes. I am not sure if it spawns reinfrocement armies like parts of Australia and India. But they are totally capturable. Grumio posted:Is capturing New Caledonia and Fiji feasible as the Japanese? Seems like it would really disrupt the US-Australia convoys Who wants me to try this? It seems like it could be an interesting project. I have no idea what the allies have in the area though!
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It seems like a slightly more achievable task for Imperial Japan.
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   Clunk!   I hate shore batteries.  They have so many fighters.  Make that so many planes – I will just have to hope a load of them crash on the way home.  There is good news on the ground though, only the forts are keeping the defenders in play, and we can grind those down – with losses, of course, but that's the price you pay.   So one thing not shown in the reports, the allies made a number of small attacks today, something they have not done in a while – they didn't do much, so I didn't screenshot them, but it may be a change in the AI to a more aggressive stance.  Its a bad time for the merchant marine.
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Why in God's name are you invading Chittagong by sea? 
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Chittagong might be a step too close to Calcutta for what you have in the area. The RAF there will not be happy with you disturbing their gin and tonics.
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Drone posted:Why in God's name are you invading Chittagong by sea? 
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Akyab is right there. The planes will still come but why even bother with the shore batteries?
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That's one heavy cruiser's worth of merchant ships right there, and we're not the allies, so it's not just a points matter. Nice to see progress on land though!  Things seem to be going very well in China. So how much tonnage/points does Japan start with for a merchant marine, and generally produce in a year?
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Calcutta by Christmas!
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lenoon posted:Akyab is right there. The planes will still come but why even bother with the shore batteries? Maybe Grey Hunter ain't a punk rear end bitch 
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RA Rx posted:and generally produce in a year? "We were supposed to be making more ships? Why did nobody tell us!" -Some Japanese official to another.
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steinrokkan posted:"We were supposed to be making more ships? Why did nobody tell us!" Oh. Oh dear.
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By the end of the war they were actually producing a bunch of merchant ships (still 10% of us production but a huge increase). They just didn't until 1944, which was far too late to matter. Really, reading about the Pacific war it's shocking how quickly the Japanese collapsed. Pearl in December of '41, Midway in June of '42 after which it's just gradual Japanese attrition and inevitable defeat dragging on for three more years.
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Even if they had pushed for it, I don't know if they had the shipbuilding infrastructure necessary to produce that many ships of significant size. Did they even have that many high capacity slipways?
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Velius posted:By the end of the war they were actually producing a bunch of merchant ships (still 10% of us production but a huge increase). They just didn't until 1944, which was far too late to matter. Really, reading about the Pacific war it's shocking how quickly the Japanese collapsed. Pearl in December of '41, Midway in June of '42 after which it's just gradual Japanese attrition and inevitable defeat dragging on for three more years. I really wouldn't call that a collapse, there was hard fought actions right through '44. It was definitely clear that Japan was in for a bad time after Midway, but that was also clear on Pearl+1. Jonathan Parshall, who wrote the definitive book on Midway, Shattered Sword, has said that he doesn't like calling it decisive, since it has long been clear that sooner or later, Japan was going to get steamrolled. This is doubly true once you start talking about atomic bombs and most especially, Soviet intervention. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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If anything, the long retreat of the Japanese from Midway to Hiroshima over the course of three years just highlights their astonishing advance in the first six months of the war. We read all this stuff about how they barely had any merchant marine, they had no anti-sub defences, the different branches of their military were in open war with each other, as soon as they were getting involved in carrier-on-carrier battles they were losing ships left and right, they didn't have damage control procedures, they had a decisive industrial disadvantage that only got compounded as the war went on, and on and on and on, and then you remember how they took over half the Pacific Ocean, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Burma in the course of six months before the Allies could start pushing them back, and you wonder how on Earth they got so far in the first place, and then you realize the Allies were just as incompetent, at least at the beginning of the war. One of the greatest things to come out of the explosion of myths about the quality of the Japanese and German militaries is a recognition that the Allies could be really loving stupid and terrible and we're all very lucky they had such a decisive industrial advantage.
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RA Rx posted:and generally produce in a year? Japan's industry didn't really start to pick up the slack until 1944. Japan itself wasn't really coming under the same strategic bombing threat that Germany was until mid-'44, and until Lemay started firebombing cities with abandon, that strategic bombing that was hitting Japanese cities wasn't particularly effective. Also, by then, US industry had picked up its own slack, but their rope was waaaaaay longer. Since WitP isn't exactly historical, basically, Grey needs to sink way more carriers to have a chance at long term success (Assuming he doesn't go for the autovictory). The LPs I've seen where the player abused the AI usually included a few Midway style battles, where the Kido Butai faced off against and defeated several US carriers a time. If you lose 4 carriers as Japan at any point in the game, that's a war-ending defeat. If you lose 4 carriers as the USA in 1944, ain't no thang, you're going to get 16 more and 30 extra CVEs anyway.
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  This should be the last day of unloading here.  Thankfully – allied air power is ridiculous! Its almost like I'm in bombing distance of a major airfield!  Their bombing runs are pretty accurate as well.  I need to check my leaders here.  The Indian's force us to retreat here. Compitent enemy forces – I'm not used to them!  Dammit! A working torpedo!   Allied bombing runs hit the Ndeni airfield.   The troops get off the ship and retake Sebang. Lesson learned.  After several days of nothing happening, our troops finally take Koepang.  That was a mixed day. We took some losses, but we also took two enemy bases.  Chittagong has been costly!
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That's a lot of dudes at Chittagong. I'm not sure who those would be, but probably a mix of the veterans pulled back from Burma and some amazingly green Indian infantry. India was still mustering basic defensive units for most of 1942.
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This is the weirdest Greyverse strategic plan since the famous "cooks and sanitation workers first" incident.
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lenoon posted:This is the weirdest Greyverse strategic plan since the famous "cooks and sanitation workers first" incident. Someone in the payroll corps made a joke to a general about having a lovely war, which the general didn't take kindly to
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  Cox's Bazzar gets a little busy for a minute.  The bombers switch to pounding our ground formations.  Chittagong itself looks like it will hold for a while.  The lone unit that didn't retreat yesterday is destroyed today.  A quieter day, but we still took some ongoing ship losses from damage. There is no sign of the allied carrier. That may be because there is nothing in the area for it to shoot!  At least we confirmed a tanker from the start of the war.
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What are you doing in Chittagong? You're outnumbered, outgunned, they have a higher unadjusted AV, your forces are within shortrange bombing, your supply line is cut, and you're still ordering attacks? You cannot win that fight as it stands right now and every attack only makes the disastrous invasion there worse.
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Leperflesh posted:What are you doing in Chittagong? You're outnumbered, outgunned, they have a higher unadjusted AV, your forces are within shortrange bombing, your supply line is cut, and you're still ordering attacks? Where's that psyduck emote that explodes into smaller ones when you need it? This is bizarre
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Leperflesh posted:What are you doing in Chittagong? You're outnumbered, outgunned, they have a higher unadjusted AV, your forces are within shortrange bombing, your supply line is cut, and you're still ordering attacks?
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lenoon posted:Where's that psyduck emote that explodes into smaller ones when you need it? This is bizarre He's roleplaying as the Imperial military's high command. It makes about as much sense as the historical Midway campaign did.
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lenoon posted:Where's that psyduck emote that explodes into smaller ones when you need it? This is bizarre
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Don't you have fighters at Akyab? Order some to LRCAP Chittagong to protect those transports.
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