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Electric Hobo posted:Here in Denmark, everybody in a business to business chain pays VAT, but then everybody gets to subtract what they paid from what was paid to them. Then everybody pays the difference to the government. As a yank, this was my understanding of it too, considering it's called a Value Added Tax you'd assume it'd tax added value at each step. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax Apparently Brits are just weird enough about it to justify a separate Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax_(United_Kingdom)
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20% sales tax is loving absurd
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Aug 18, 2016 05:01
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:20% sales tax is loving absurd That's Tories for you 
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Aug 18, 2016 05:13
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Not much better here, we've got it at about 17-18% IIRC.
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Aug 18, 2016 05:14
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Meanwhile, the highest combined sales tax rates in the US are just a hair under 10% and that is considered ridiculous by most of the country.
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Aug 18, 2016 05:18
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Zurui posted:Meanwhile, the highest combined sales tax rates in the US are just a hair under 10% and that is considered ridiculous by most of the country. Inheritance taxes are (one example of) an opposite effect. They tax the wealthy while leaving the poor (mostly) alone. Unfortunately the rich lobby better than the poor. Weird.
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Aug 18, 2016 05:26
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My country is regressive in a lot of ways unfortunately. 
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Aug 18, 2016 05:43
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1998 wants their 3D effects back.
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FRINGE posted:It is ridiculous with the rest of the availavble tax structures. Sales tax is one of the most regressive taxes. The born-poor person and the born-rich person eat the same number of sandwiches per week. The poor-person loses a much larger relative portion of their income to fill the need for food, and then a larger relative portion of their income to pay tax on that food. The rich person doesnt notice. I don't know how things are in the States, but in the UK food and clothes are exempt from sales tax. This is what stops it being a de facto regressive tax. Also, if you think 20% is an absurd rate: it's actually lower than the EU average which is about 22%. Hungary has a 27% VAT rate.
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Jedit posted:I don't know how things are in the States, but in the UK food and clothes are exempt from sales tax. This is what stops it being a de facto regressive tax. Also in the US food is exempt from the sales tax too.
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Terrible Opinions posted:There are a lot more things than food and cloths that are required for life, and it is a regressive tax no matter how you cut it, unless you put a minimum of like 100 dollars at least on it. It depends, I believe in where you live in the US as individual states, counties and cities can apply their own sales tax that may or may not be tax exempt.
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Aug 18, 2016 08:46
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Paranoia pdfs are going out to backers for anyone dumb enough to stay in
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Aug 18, 2016 11:04
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Yeah, I work at a grocery store and can confirm that at least in two states, food gets hit with sales tax. It's a lower percentage than non-food purchases though.
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Aug 18, 2016 11:30
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Huh I figured that was a nation wide thing. I guess I just live in one of the 31 not garbage states.
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Aug 18, 2016 11:51
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Just had a Facebook memory of someone linking me to the Far West kickstarter from 5 years ago. It was such a great idea, I just had to back it! Ah, memories. 
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Aug 18, 2016 12:21
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Little_wh0re posted:Paranoia pdfs are going out to backers for anyone dumb enough to stay in I backed this as I was just starting to get back into the hobby and I'd always wanted to play Paranoia. What's so terrible about it?
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Aug 18, 2016 12:24
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I don't actually think its too bad but the art is.... not great
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Aug 18, 2016 12:31
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The early rules previews looked really loving bad, too. To a degree where some of the cards didn't actually have rules on them, just a dumb picture with some flavor text and no way to resolve it in-game.
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Aug 18, 2016 12:54
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Jedit posted:I don't know how things are in the States, but in the UK food and clothes are exempt from sales tax. This is what stops it being a de facto regressive tax. Clothes are not exempt. Kids' clothes are, adults' ones aren't. And theoretically, non-luxury items are exempt, whilst luxury items pay. But cake is not a luxury, whilst biscuits are. And helicopters are not a luxury, whilst teaching facilities are. Our country is hilariously hosed.
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Aug 18, 2016 14:24
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Don't know about anywhere else, but down here women's sanitary items are still a luxury, because the politicians get red in the face and refuse to talk about woman things when people push for change.
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Aug 18, 2016 14:37
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thespaceinvader posted:Clothes are not exempt. Kids' clothes are, adults' ones aren't. Isn't it the other way round with cakes and biscuits which led to the legal thing to get Jaffa cakes classified as the biscuits we all know them to be
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NTRabbit posted:Don't know about anywhere else, but down here women's sanitary items are still a luxury, because the politicians get red in the face and refuse to talk about woman things when people push for change. Illinois only just eliminated the tampon tax earlier this year, it's basically the only good thing that has happened at the state level since our idiot gently caress of a governor was elected.
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Aug 18, 2016 14:40
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glitchkrieg posted:I backed this as I was just starting to get back into the hobby and I'd always wanted to play Paranoia. What's so terrible about it? It's a lesser Paranoia than any of the other ones that came before it, even the super lovely one that everyone involved with the license disowns. It's super bad looking on its own merits, too. I mean, I know Paranoia is supposed to be a comedy game, but it always had a solid if uninspiring ruleset.
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Mojo Jojo posted:Isn't it the other way round with cakes and biscuits which led to the legal thing to get Jaffa cakes classified as the biscuits we all know them to be Nope, they got classed as cakes which allowed them to be 0% VAT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes#Categorisation_as_cake_or_biscuit_for_VAT Apparently a major plant of the decision was that they harden when stale like a cake, unlike biscuits which soften when stale.
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rantmo posted:Illinois only just eliminated the tampon tax earlier this year, it's basically the only good thing that has happened at the state level since our idiot gently caress of a governor was elected. That's because your state spent all their money on O'hara. I literally ran the entire airport trying to make flights last night and that thing was HUGE. Terminal 3 looked pretty new.
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Mr.Trifecta posted:That's because your state spent all their money on O'hara. I literally ran the entire airport trying to make flights last night and that thing was HUGE. Terminal 3 looked pretty new. Oh, O'Hare is a shitshow (always fly to/from Midway) but our terrible financial condition is based on far more than just one airport. We're a complete disaster since way back.
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Aug 18, 2016 15:18
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For anybody complaining about VAT, I'd be perfectly happy to trade you as decent medial coverage is 10+% of an average family's net income (and that's not including copays/deductables/etc), our college costs are staggering and force most students into 20K+ of debt, our social services suck rear end, and we jail motherfuckers at the drop of a hat. But yeah, I save 20% on games.
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Aug 18, 2016 15:44
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You guys call cookies "biscuits".  You can keep your stupid VATS.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:You guys call cookies "biscuits". they're two different things. E: british people are serious about their puddings Saint Isaias Boner fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Crackbone posted:For anybody complaining about VAT, I'd be perfectly happy to trade you as decent medial coverage is 10+% of an average family's net income (and that's not including copays/deductables/etc), our college costs are staggering and force most students into 20K+ of debt, our social services suck rear end, and we jail motherfuckers at the drop of a hat. If you think that American politicians would put increased regressive taxes toward a progressive policy I have a bridge to sell you. They'd probably do like Texas and eliminate state income tax due to their high sales tax. You know gently caress the poor.
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Aug 18, 2016 16:11
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:they're two different things. Especially black pudding. Yum.
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potatocubed posted:Especially black pudding. Yum. Sticky toffee pudding. Gaze upon our desserts, ye fatties, and despair.
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Swagger Dagger posted:It's a lesser Paranoia than any of the other ones that came before it, even the super lovely one that everyone involved with the license disowns. Balls. Are there any ways of getting the other versions? It was one of the first Kickstarters I went all in on, I'm now a lot warier about what I back...
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:You guys call cookies "biscuits". Cookies are cookies and biscuits are biscuits, it's not exactly hard.
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glitchkrieg posted:Balls. Are there any ways of getting the other versions? DTRPG has PDFs. Saint Isaias Boner posted:they're two different things. You use biscuits to make pudding? Blech!
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Aug 18, 2016 16:36
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Aug 18, 2016 16:46
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Can I just say that the Numenera marketing bullet-point of it being an easy system to create a character with is bullshit? "I am an [ADJECTIVE] [NOUN] who [VERB]s" isn't actually simple if each of those words carries with it half-a-dozen mechanical interactions that you have to look up and cross-reference with each other anyway.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Cookies are cookies and biscuits are biscuits, it's not exactly hard. At least, not once the biscuits have gone stale. 
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Lemon-Lime posted:Cookies are cookies and biscuits are biscuits, it's not exactly hard. I'm sorry, I meant cake. How the gently caress can you confuse cake with a biscuit? Is jaffa cake more like a coffee cake, where it's crumbly and tastes good or does it taste like a biscuit, which is dry and has no flavor save for the taste of vomit in the back of your throat? If it's the later, how the hell are they still in business? Maybe I just find it funny that people like the taste of biscuits period.
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