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Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Harrow posted:

Is the Chronotank Mesmer build as fun as it sounds? Obviously one would need to really know raid encounters to tank 'em (and I haven't even started raiding yet) but I'm tempted to work on building up the Commander gear required to do that if it's actually a cool and fun way to play Chronomancer.

Commander gear is lame to get, just bring a Rev and yell at them to give you +50% boon duration. I play Chrono in full Zerker gear and swap in some Knights rings/amulet when I need to tank

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Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Magres posted:

Commander gear is lame to get, just bring a Rev and yell at them to give you +50% boon duration. I play Chrono in full Zerker gear and swap in some Knights rings/amulet when I need to tank

Well, that's certainly a lot more achievable because I've got pretty much everything I need for a zerker/sometimes knights setup.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
Yeah you just need a Superior Sigil of Concentration, a set of Runes of the Chronomancer, and you're pretty much good to go. The sigil is really drat pricey though, at 50g. If you've got any Freshwater Pearls and can find a friendly Goon scribe you can get one for a lot cheaper - they cost 35g of materials to make and 34g of that is 5 Freshwater Pearls

Magres fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Aug 17, 2016

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Somehow I just recently became aware of Runes of the Chronomancer and how they're not actually all that expensive, so I'll be replacing my Scholar runes with those when I get home today. Just throw out as much quickness as possible all day, why not.

Sadly I don't have any Freshwater Pearls, but the only other thing competing for my gold right now is ascended armor (and, y'know, maybe Bolt one day, but that's not pressing), so I'm not too worried about dropping some gold on them right now, given that I'll only need one of the sigils.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

I GIVE YOU MY INFO YOU LOG IN AND PUT IN BUILD I PAY YOU 3 BLESSINGS
I had the opportunity to join one of my guilds in an HP run last night. Took my Necro from 0 elite points to full in ~1 hour, if not less. That was so great... I can't wait to get in on another one for my Rev, then any other guys I finally crawl up to 80.

Next goal is to get in on a multi-map exalted chest squad

Lonk
Jan 26, 2012

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO


I have a sickness.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
you disgust me

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

I GIVE YOU MY INFO YOU LOG IN AND PUT IN BUILD I PAY YOU 3 BLESSINGS
Welp, money issues for the crap I'm doing are basically solved. Gambled big on the forge today and went from 150g~ to 1600. I spent a handful more on further gamble ventures, but also had the extra gold to gear up my necro. Pretty fun and good evening

Priapus Unbound
Aug 28, 2011


If anyone needs scribing done, I have it at 400. Can whisper 'Khongorzul' in game or send me a mail with a request and I'll knock it out for you at cost next time I'm on.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

nickhimself posted:

Welp, money issues for the crap I'm doing are basically solved. Gambled big on the forge today and went from 150g~ to 1600. I spent a handful more on further gamble ventures, but also had the extra gold to gear up my necro. Pretty fun and good evening

What did you gamble on and what made the profit, rare weapons into exotics?

Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.
Alright, so is this game good yet? And have I been kicked out of [GOON] for inactivity?

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Harrow posted:

Is the Chronotank Mesmer build as fun as it sounds? Obviously one would need to really know raid encounters to tank 'em (and I haven't even started raiding yet) but I'm tempted to work on building up the Commander gear required to do that if it's actually a cool and fun way to play Chronomancer.

i did it once on sloth and immediately made someone else do it because its so unfun

nickhimself posted:

Welp, money issues for the crap I'm doing are basically solved. Gambled big on the forge today and went from 150g~ to 1600. I spent a handful more on further gamble ventures, but also had the extra gold to gear up my necro. Pretty fun and good evening

nice hit me up if you want to learn what the super luxury items are for the cool kids, i suggest buying some gems because there should (maybe?) be some good sales soon

Fargin Icehole posted:

Alright, so is this game good yet? And have I been kicked out of [GOON] for inactivity?

yes, yes

where the red fern gropes fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Aug 18, 2016

Ineptitude
Mar 2, 2010

Heed my words and become a master of the Heart (of Thorns).
Getting the hang of necromancer. I was a bit disappointed in discovering reaper spec's focus on greatsword and close melee range, being ranged is so much more fun and less frustrating on meta events, particularly against bosses such as the Chak Gerent. It is however the best profession i have tried so far for Verdant Brink nighttime meta. I could escort Pact Soldiers solo and could hold off rally point attacks with just 1 other player, something none of my other professions have been able to do.
In a strange twist of fate i could NOT solo the Champion Mushroom HP just at the Auric Basin entrance from Verdant Brink, something my ele, mesmer, ranger and revenant all could do...


While i think it is hard to find a more effective profession for meta events than necromancer, based on how much better i do with it than my other professions so far, i still want to level an engineer. Egnineer is the last profession i am interested in, with guardian, warrior and thief not being interesting enough to consider leveling, for the time being.

I quite like the A/T condition playstyle on my druid. Applying DoTs at range and kiting enemies is fun. I understand engineers pistol/pistol is also a ranged condi playstyle, however the meta builds i find does not use the scrapper. I thought scrapper was how engineer got gyros among other things, which sound really useful. Are there any p/p condi eng builds that use scrapper? How gimped would you be compared to the metabattle build that doesn't use it?



Magres posted:

Commander gear is lame to get,
Very true.

A full set of commanders exotic armor costs roughly the same as a full set of commanders ascended armor.
Commander's exotic armor recipes (for light armor) cost average 70g each, thats 420g just for the recipes. Add another 84g for the armor itself.
In contrast, crafting the cheapest insignia Ascended armor (magi insignia atm i believe) then converting it to commander's costs about 550g.

It is the same case with exotic commander trinkets, around 40g for each recipe.
Commander weapon recipes are "cheap" in comparison at only ~10g.

If you just want boon duration both Wanderer's and Minstrel's recipes are virtually free. Wanderer's insignia is also quite cheap, requiring insignia specific items that are less than 1g. Minstrel insignias cost 24g just from the insignia specific Freshwater Pearls, so Minstrel is also a somewhat expensive option.

If you don't want to be dependant on a revenant you can:
*Add platinum doubloons in your accessories and back for 24% boon duration
*Sigil of concentration for another 33% duration
*Add armor sigils for 20% duration (though you would miss the chronomancer runes)
*Add 20% boon duration food. (can get expensive at around 30s per use).
This totals to 97%.
Other alternatives are Leadership runes for 30% duration, though these requires 600 crystalline ore from Dragon's Stand which is a gigantic grind.

If i had the money i would go for
*Commander's exotic trinkets with platinum doubloons (38% boon duration total)
*Commander's weapons (7,8% boon duration)
*Sigil of Concentration (33% boon duration)
*Armor sigils of Chronomancer
*18% boon duration food from pvp (these can be bought for 5s each aparently)
This gets you to 96.8% boon duration with full zerk armor and backpiece.

Ineptitude fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Aug 18, 2016

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


i got my free welfare commanders armor from the raid box, it was a good deal for something i never use

if you want to chrono in raids get some toughness use the 20% boon duration food get a revenant to give you 50% more and then play an ele

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Dreggon posted:

i did it once on sloth and immediately made someone else do it because its so unfun

I tried playing chronotank in a pug raid and I don't actually know how alexei puts up with it week after week. if you gently caress up even a single button you eat dirt. granted I'm the world's shittiest mesmer

TeaJay
Oct 9, 2012


I've been wanting to try out some condi build on my reaper since you guys have gushed about it so much. Usually I've just ran a GS well build. Is it gear-dependant for casual dungeons/fractals - as in, will they boo my rampager / berserker exotic gear off the stage or do you really need ascended viper?

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

I GIVE YOU MY INFO YOU LOG IN AND PUT IN BUILD I PAY YOU 3 BLESSINGS

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

What did you gamble on and what made the profit, rare weapons into exotics?

Exotics into precursors. I ended up getting Spark, The Lover, and The Legend

edit: one really cool byproduct of this gamble was unlocking an awful lot of cool skins for every weapon type. That in and of itself isn't a reason to spend so much on a gamble, but it did earn me a lot of money in very little time AND give me cool looking weapons to use. The gw1 scepter skin Emberglow owns and looks great

nickhimself fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Aug 18, 2016

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Ineptitude posted:

While i think it is hard to find a more effective profession for meta events than necromancer, based on how much better i do with it than my other professions so far, i still want to level an engineer. Egnineer is the last profession i am interested in, with guardian, warrior and thief not being interesting enough to consider leveling, for the time being.

I quite like the A/T condition playstyle on my druid. Applying DoTs at range and kiting enemies is fun. I understand engineers pistol/pistol is also a ranged condi playstyle, however the meta builds i find does not use the scrapper. I thought scrapper was how engineer got gyros among other things, which sound really useful. Are there any p/p condi eng builds that use scrapper? How gimped would you be compared to the metabattle build that doesn't use it?

P/P condi engi is the following traitlines: explosives, firearms, tools. Of these,
- you can't drop explosives, because you lose glass cannon/grenadier, vuln, bonus damage on vuln, and shrapnel, all of which are significant contributors to your dps;
- you can't drop firearms, because you lose a lot of bleed and crit together with the 33% extension on bleed/burn, meaning you have to make a lot of suboptimal gear choices to get back to 100%.

So you have to drop tools for scrapper. What that boils down to is losing some decent damage buffs and extra endurance regen for passive survivability and access to gyros. Function gyro is good and you can swap to scrapper for some fights (Matthias for reflect, wing 3 keep for stealth gyro) but if you know your fights and are good at dodging the additional endurance from tools should be enough. Plus adaptive armour raises your toughness and can gently caress up your tank in a raid. Scrapper minors aren't great for PvE - decisive renown is bad and 25% reduction to stun isn't going to do jack.

Overall I wouldn't use scrapper in a raid but for high fracs and open world where you don't trust your pub team and have no time limit scrapper is okay. Just remember to bring a passive speed boost so you don't kill yourself

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Kessel posted:

I tried playing chronotank in a pug raid and I don't actually know how alexei puts up with it week after week. if you gently caress up even a single button you eat dirt. granted I'm the world's shittiest mesmer

why do you think alexei sometimes doesnt show up, if i had to play that much chronotank i would drink myself into a stupor as well

TeaJay posted:

I've been wanting to try out some condi build on my reaper since you guys have gushed about it so much. Usually I've just ran a GS well build. Is it gear-dependant for casual dungeons/fractals - as in, will they boo my rampager / berserker exotic gear off the stage or do you really need ascended viper?

viper is for raids and high level fractals, if you're doing low level fractals/dungeons/not raiding zerker is your friend

Redmanred
Aug 29, 2005

My hometown japan
:japan:

Lonk posted:



I have a sickness.

Lonk you are committed and you have to respect it.

All you need is Nomad underwater weapons

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

nickhimself posted:

Exotics into precursors. I ended up getting Spark, The Lover, and The Legend
You got 3 precursors out of 150g worth of exotics? Dang.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

I GIVE YOU MY INFO YOU LOG IN AND PUT IN BUILD I PAY YOU 3 BLESSINGS
Two out of the 150, the third from my next round of purchasing, but essentially, yeah.

Illuyankas
Oct 22, 2010

Yeah the first time I did a round of precursor moneywasting hunting after the wardrobe change and having skins unlocked just by forging them was a nice surprise

Also don't expect to be that lucky ever again

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I can't help but feel that is waaaaay above the expected return rate.

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

I can't help but feel that is waaaaay above the expected return rate.

that's because it is. if that were the actual rate of return precursors wouldn't cost a quarter as much as they currently do

Lyer
Feb 4, 2008

TeaJay posted:

I've been wanting to try out some condi build on my reaper since you guys have gushed about it so much. Usually I've just ran a GS well build. Is it gear-dependant for casual dungeons/fractals - as in, will they boo my rampager / berserker exotic gear off the stage or do you really need ascended viper?

You can roll with sinister is still do good and that's much easier to get than vipers. you could also roll with magi's because no one would be able to tell the difference

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Dreggon posted:

i did it once on sloth and immediately made someone else do it because its so unfun

I am glad to know that I will never have to care about Commander gear.

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

I can't help but feel that is waaaaay above the expected return rate.

It is. It's astonishingly good luck.

I'd encourage anyone not to try to repeat that unless you have a nice, big cushion of money. The same goes for ecto gambling, no matter how many people you see on YouTube getting insanely good runs of luck.

Harrow fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Aug 18, 2016

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

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I'm thinking about putting that money toward ascended mats to craft up gear for T4. That feels like a good investment of the lucky cash earned from forging

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


nickhimself posted:

I'm thinking about putting that money toward ascended mats to craft up gear for T4. That feels like a good investment of the lucky cash earned from forging

a good idea, t4 is good

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Is Zerker still the best way to go for Chronomancer for T4s? I know enemy Toughness scales into the sky at that point but it does seem like only a few professions switch over to condition damage at that point, too.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

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Dreggon posted:

a good idea, t4 is good

I figure with enough gear to do T4's I'm actually in a spot to earn money, rather than just keep slowly spending it on things that ultimately aren't returning enough investment to keep me going. Plus, T4's let me knock out some big chunks of daily questing very efficiently, so that owns.

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

t4 chests drop a decent stream of stuff, up to and including straight-up pink gear

Adhesive Gamin
Sep 29, 2010

Meatoberfest is in full swing.
The excessive toughness scaling in T4 fractals was corrected in like January. It's just that the bosses in higher scales have enough health for condi build rampup to be less impactful.

shrach
Jan 10, 2004

daylight ssssaving time

Dreggon posted:

i did it once on sloth and immediately made someone else do it because its so unfun


How many weeks?! You can't even Chronotank Slothsaor. That's just called playing Chronomancer.

Ineptitude
Mar 2, 2010

Heed my words and become a master of the Heart (of Thorns).

Kessel posted:

P/P condi engi is the following traitlines: explosives, firearms, tools. Of these,
- you can't drop explosives, because you lose glass cannon/grenadier, vuln, bonus damage on vuln, and shrapnel, all of which are significant contributors to your dps;
- you can't drop firearms, because you lose a lot of bleed and crit together with the 33% extension on bleed/burn, meaning you have to make a lot of suboptimal gear choices to get back to 100%.

So you have to drop tools for scrapper. What that boils down to is losing some decent damage buffs and extra endurance regen for passive survivability and access to gyros. Function gyro is good and you can swap to scrapper for some fights (Matthias for reflect, wing 3 keep for stealth gyro) but if you know your fights and are good at dodging the additional endurance from tools should be enough. Plus adaptive armour raises your toughness and can gently caress up your tank in a raid. Scrapper minors aren't great for PvE - decisive renown is bad and 25% reduction to stun isn't going to do jack.

Overall I wouldn't use scrapper in a raid but for high fracs and open world where you don't trust your pub team and have no time limit scrapper is okay. Just remember to bring a passive speed boost so you don't kill yourself

Thanks. Reason i ask is because i want to use HoT spec on all my professions. It seems like a waste to have the expansion pack if the spec is not used (i realise this isn't v ery true)
I didn't play this game before HoT so all specs are "new" to me. I can't imagine how it must be for engineer players before HoT to still use nothing but pre-Hot traitlines.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Probably just "eh this is nice but I'd rather have an optimal/familiar build for the new stuff"? Playing an old build well will probably trump playing the new shiny builds poorly. :shrug:

malhavok
Jan 18, 2013

nickhimself posted:

Two out of the 150, the third from my next round of purchasing, but essentially, yeah.

Holy poo poo, lol.

kiffkin
Feb 13, 2007

Fool! Women called Nyla are always spies!
Today in Silly Ideas:



(started at level 26)

nickhimself posted:

The gw1 scepter skin Emberglow owns and looks great
Got that out the forge just yesterday and it's awesome.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

shrach posted:

How many weeks?! You can't even Chronotank Slothsaor. That's just called playing Chronomancer.

Yeah... that sounded odd to me too.

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Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

kiffkin posted:

Today in Silly Ideas:



(started at level 26)

What possessed you to do that, and also was it fun?

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