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Pakled posted:Wasn't Hulk Hogan's suit against Gawker over them releasing a sex tape of him without his consent? Yes, but Thiel bankrolled the lawsuit and had his lawyers structure it in such a way that Gawker's journalism insurance wouldn't kick in and just pay off Hogan. It was vindictive by design. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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efb To me there's a difference between Hogan getting a payout, which I am generally okay with though gently caress Hogan, and a Billionaire funding an attack specifically targeted at shutting down a site, and ruining the owner. Like their legal team specifically rescinded a charge that would have allowed them to pay Hogan whatever the hell the judgement was with their insurance money. This was a literal targeted attack at a news org because they pissed off Peter Thiel.
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Yeah this is a disaster for free press.
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zoux posted:"After nearly fourteen years of operation, Gawker.com will be shutting down next week. The decision to close Gawker comes days after Univision successfully bid $135 million for Gawker Media’s six other websites, and four months after the Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel revealed his clandestine legal campaign against the company." All news reports I'm seeing are saying that the rest of their sites will stay open.
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Dexo posted:efb in fairness, gawker outed him which is *kind of terrible* so it's not like his grievance isn't entirely unwarranted.
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zoux posted:Yeah this is a disaster for free press. but also this
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Dexo posted:efb Hogan also had to agree to it. Any relevant lawyer could have potentially told him this was an option. Like, the critical component is Hogan saying "yes, I would rather watch them burn than get money."
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At least the Las Vegas Review Journal will never get bankrupted by a billionaire!
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:in fairness, gawker outed him which is *kind of terrible* so it's not like his grievance isn't entirely unwarranted. Wasn't him being gay pretty common knowledge though?
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seiferguy posted:All news reports I'm seeing are saying that the rest of their sites will stay open. Well good I like those sites.
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Here's the full incarceration graph in case you're still curious
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zoux posted:Well good I like those sites. Same. Jezebel and Deadspin are good. Kotaku is, to an extent too, if only because they've become the prime target for a certain movement...
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:in fairness, gawker outed him which is *kind of terrible* so it's not like his grievance isn't entirely unwarranted. He was "out" in Silicon Valley from what I understand. And I always lol when people are like "b-b-but he didn't want his Saudi Investors to know!" Ok, easy solution there. Don't take disgusting Saudi money.
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seiferguy posted:Wasn't him being gay pretty common knowledge though? Outing someone publicly, even if they're out privately to friends, is lovely regardless of how big of a piece of poo poo you are as a person. The absolute only time I am even remotely willing to accept it as an ethical journalistic practice is if that person is actively harming the LGBT community (e.g., if you're an elected official pushing policies that will harm the LGBT community and you're actively lying about being a member of that community.)
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:in fairness, gawker outed him which is *kind of terrible* so it's not like his grievance isn't entirely unwarranted. Then I would also be okay with Gawker's insurance having to pay out to him for whatever damages a court rules that that caused him. I hate that our legal system allows for rich assholes to completely ruin someone because they have no shot to put up the funds necessary to defend themselves.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Outing someone publicly, even if they're out privately to friends, is lovely regardless of how big of a piece of poo poo you are as a person. The absolute only time I am even remotely willing to accept it as an ethical journalistic practice is if that person is actively harming the LGBT community (e.g., if you're an elected official pushing policies that will harm the LGBT community and you're actively lying about being a member of that community.) Good news! He's a Republican.
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greatn posted:Both are important. All floods matter?
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GalacticAcid posted:He was "out" in Silicon Valley from what I understand. Nah, it's not cool to out someone because you don't like them. Even if they're out to "some people" or if it's an open secret. GalacticAcid posted:Good news! He's a Republican. He's a Libertarian, and a private citizen. Please don't make me defend him anymore by being real wrong about this.
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I'm not gloating about them getting shut down, but what they did to Hogan is still really lovely. In this case, yes, the truth is actually in the middle.
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zoux posted:The reason is I'm demonstrating you can't see a difference in incarceration trends before or after the crime bill. so you're saying there can only be one cause to the crazy rear end incarceration rate, so the crime bill can't be it
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Gawker was a terrible garbage website for garbage people and had absolutely abysmal business practices epitomizing the worst of journalism but it's still bad that a billionaire shut it down I guess? I can't say I'll really mourn a site mostly renowned for sex tapes and outing people.
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what does thiel's level of wealth have to do with it I'm as opposed to "crushing people under legal bills" as much as anyone, but he crushed them under tricky law tactics. They were destroyed by the decision, not by the cost of court, right?
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Mr Jaunts posted:Here's the full incarceration graph in case you're still curious drat what happened in 1980
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theflyingorc posted:what does thiel's level of wealth have to do with it you have to have a lot of money to prosecute this kind of case
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Outing someone is usually viewed as a terrible no-no unless that person spouts out anti-gay views. Then it's more viewed as pointing out hypocrisy.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Nah, it's not cool to out someone because you don't like them. Even if they're out to "some people" or if it's an open secret. Billionaires are not private citizens and Libertarians are not real, but I respect your moderation here.
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So what happens to Gawker Media and Gawker.com now if they do win on appeal and don't have to pay the $140 mil?
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Peter Thiel is an rear end in a top hat. Gawker are assholes as well. Nobody wins. That's my opinion in a nutshell.
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Spiritus Nox posted:It's possible to simultaneously be troubled by a rich dude using the courts to effectively destroy a news outlet over a grudge and acknowledge that Gawker made their position really loving hard to defend. That is my position, yes.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:you have to have a lot of money to prosecute this kind of case Yep, especially since in the appeals process you often have to have the cash on hand to put whatever damages there are in escrow while you are appealing the decision.
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haveblue posted:So what happens to Gawker Media and Gawker.com now if they do win on appeal and don't have to pay the $140 mil? Univision holds a big rear end party, I suppose.
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https://twitter.com/ReutersTech/status/766321213232807936 RIP the alt right. Milo has completely disappeared since they shut down his twitter.
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Like Hogan, even being fairly well off relative to anyone in this thread, likely could not have afforded to prosecute that kind of case on his own. It's why, for example, Donald Trump's companies are able to grift small businesses he contracts through because they lack the resources to effectively win a court battle even if, on merit, they're right.
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theflyingorc posted:what does thiel's level of wealth have to do with it no, as far as I know Gawker itself was buried under court costs, while the individual writers were destroyed by the punitive damages awarded. also to put this into perspective, the video that accompanied the story was two minutes of highly-edited footage from the 30 minute sex tape, and less than 10 seconds of those 2 minutes were from the sex parts, the rest was racist ranting. this is well within the usual tests for public interest. edit: especially given how openly and often hogan bragged about his extramarital affairs. it's also worth noting that stills from the sex tape were published by other journo outfits as well without them being sued. botany fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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