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Koramei posted:^e: is she on a different list? I don't see her there I meant this chart 
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Huh I would've figured Marcus Aurelius or Domitian for Rome. Or get really weird and go republic and have it be Scipio Africanus
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Aug 18, 2016 20:21
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Chalks posted:I don't think that's the case - look at the scrollbar to the left of the leaders list in that screenshot. That's almost the entire list in alphabetical order. I'm talking about this list http://well-of-souls.com/civ/images/civ6_portrait_bingo2.jpg the mystery statue in between Frederick (Germany) and Pericles (Greece) is a statue of Gorgo (Greece).
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Trajan brought the empire's borders to their greatest extent, not really a weird leader to pick.MMM Whatchya Say posted:I meant this chart Oh I hadn't seen that. Where was it leaked from?
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Aug 18, 2016 20:22
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Koramei posted:Trajan brought the empire's borders to their greatest extent, not really a weird leader to pick. An official video put out by Firaxis, about development and stuff, some people went all CSI on a chart way in the background.
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Aug 18, 2016 20:24
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I meant this chart Afonso isn't listed in the screenshot so that probably isn't accurate. Omnicarus posted:Huh I would've figured Marcus Aurelius or Domitian for Rome. Or get really weird and go republic and have it be Scipio Africanus Scipio  Or maybe Septimus Severus.
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Aug 18, 2016 20:24
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The only thing I find weird is them including Gorgo at launch as opposed to DLC, which Isabella seems to be in. Also Mvemba a Nzinga is Alfonso's original name.
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monster on a stick posted:Afonso isn't listed in the screenshot so that probably isn't accurate. Afonso also known as Mvemba a Nzinga (his native African name). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonso_I_of_Kongo
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Koramei posted:Oh I hadn't seen that. Where was it leaked from? It was on a board in the background of one of the early developer vids. Civfanatics people have been picking at it for like a month.
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monster on a stick posted:Afonso isn't listed in the screenshot so that probably isn't accurate. Mvemba a Nzinga is Alfonso
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Aug 18, 2016 20:25
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sarmhan posted:The only thing I find weird is them including Gorgo at launch as opposed to DLC, which Isabella seems to be in. was this stream showing off the final build? it's possible whatever build they were using didn't have isabella playable yet or was including gorgo for test purposes or whatnot
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Aug 18, 2016 20:27
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Kurtofan posted:I'm talking about this list Maybe I'm missing something, but the screenshot from the stream shows 16 leader names of the 18 civs in game and clearly doesn't have room for more than a couple more based on the scroll bar, not to mention the fact that the list is alphabetical. Unless you're saying that Greece is the only civ getting 2 leaders, or there's a second civopedia section with 18 other leaders..? That portrait thing even says there are 22 portraits and only 18 civs in the game so it seems kinda weird to use it as a basis of a "multiple leaders" theory.
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Brother Entropy posted:was this stream showing off the final build? it's possible whatever build they were using didn't have isabella playable yet or was including gorgo for test purposes or whatnot
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Aug 18, 2016 20:28
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sarmhan posted:Yea it's totally possible that something is up there. As I said it's weird that there are 18 civs but 19 leaders in, when they said there would be 18 civs in a at launch (probably not including Monty). Technically Monty is a launch civ (if you preordered)
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Aug 18, 2016 20:29
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monster on a stick posted:Or maybe Septimus Severus. lmao if they included a black emperor as the leader of the Romans the internet would flip their poo poo even more than they're doing over the female leaders.
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Chalks posted:That portrait thing even says there are 22 portraits and only 18 civs in the game so it seems kinda weird to use it as a basis of a "multiple leaders" theory. The basis of the multiple leader theory is the picky wording they use to distinguish leader ability and civ ability.
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If you take the others we know and add this stream list in alphabetical order, it comes up 1 Catherina de Medici - France 2 Cleopatra - Egypt 3 Frederick Barbarossa - Germany 4 Gandhi - India 5 Gilgamesh - Sumer / Uruk 6 Gorgo - Greece / Sparta 7 Harald Hardrada - Norway 8 Hojo Tokimune - Japan 9 Montezuma - Aztec 10 Mvemba a Nzinga - (Alfonso I) Kongo 11 Pedro II - Brazil 12 Pericles - Greece / Athens 13 Peter - Russia 14 Philip II - Spain 15 Qin Shi Huang - China 16 Saladin - Arabia 17 Teddy Roosevelt - America 18 Tomyris - Scythia 19 Trajan - Rome 20 Victoria - England That's 19 Civs if you assume Gorgo as an alt-leader for Greece, 18 + 1 DLC. Jadwiga isn't in the Civilopedia, so Poland is probably planned as the first paid DLC (with Isabella as an alt-leader DLC?)
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Kurtofan posted:Technically Monty is a launch civ (if you preordered)
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Kurtofan posted:Technically Monty is a launch civ (if you preordered) That reminds me: what's the best site /deal to preorder? And, since my 2011 MacBook Air isn't going to be able to run this (it barely runs 5), I was just planning on getting a new MacBook Pro and dual-booting into Windows for other games I might want to play. Is there any reason I shouldn't - like, say, a better Windows-only laptop that's about the same size and weight as a MacBook Pro?
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Aug 18, 2016 20:32
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sarmhan posted:That usually isn't included in a count of what's in at launch though. For bullshit marketing reasons? Usually is.
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Hogama posted:If you take the others we know and add this stream list in alphabetical order, it comes up I'm guessing that Gorgo is either post-launch or some kind of bonus thing though. It'd be odd to have her just randomly show up, although not unwelcome.
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Aug 18, 2016 20:33
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It's a little weird but maybe they're testing how well received multiple leaders are? Like they're just giving greece the two at the start to see how that flies
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Aug 18, 2016 20:34
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Seems more likely that they've just put one in the game initially to make sure the tech to handle multiple leaders works and aren't prioritising the others just yet. I'd be astonished to see the game released with only one civ having an alt leader. I'm still betting that this isn't a thing since it seems too close to launch to have a whole set of leaders unimplemented since they're going to need playtesting just like everything else.
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Aug 18, 2016 20:39
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Maybe Cromwell will be an alt-English leader, with the New Model Army special unit.
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Chalks posted:Maybe I'm missing something, but the screenshot from the stream shows 16 leader names of the 18 civs in game and clearly doesn't have room for more than a couple more based on the scroll bar, not to mention the fact that the list is alphabetical. That list is missing Teddy, Tomyris and Victoria, all of whom are already confirmed. In addition, I'd venture that this won't be the first civ game to lack Rome at launch, so let's assume Trajan is in. That would make 20 leaders, 2 of which are Greek and 1 of which is Day 1 DLC. Boom, 18 civs at launch. E: Kurtofan posted:For bullshit marketing reasons? Usually is. Civ V launched with 19 civs if you count Babylon, but was marketed as having 18. I think it's fair to assume they're doing the same thing here.
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Kajeesus posted:That list is missing Teddy, Tomyris and Victoria, all of whom are already confirmed. In addition, I'd venture that this won't be the first civ game to lack Rome at launch, so let's assume Trajan is in. That would make 20 leaders, 2 of which are Greek and 1 of which is Day 1 DLC. Boom, 18 civs at launch. Doesn't it seem really odd to have multiple leaders but only have it for one of the civs at launch? I'd find it much easier to believe Sparta being an additional DLC than adding multiple leaders but only doing it for one civ.
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Peas and Rice posted:And, since my 2011 MacBook Air isn't going to be able to run this (it barely runs 5), I was just planning on getting a new MacBook Pro and dual-booting into Windows for other games I might want to play. Is there any reason I shouldn't - like, say, a better Windows-only laptop that's about the same size and weight as a MacBook Pro? Spend $650 on a laptop/iPad of any variety, spend $650 on making a PC with a decent graphics card. Then enjoy having a laptop and getting to play Civ and other games running at much higher settings than the MacBook Pro's current crappy graphics card without giving Apple $1.3k. Source: am slightly bitter Macbook Pro owner.
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Maybe they are breaking up the major Greek city states into separate civs, which I can't really find a good reason for. Also, this is the first game without Alexander. If he doesn't show up as a great general, then Macedonia will definitely show up as a civ at some point.
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Rexides posted:Maybe they are breaking up the major Greek city states into separate civs, which I can't really find a good reason for. Also, this is the first game without Alexander. If he doesn't show up as a great general, then Macedonia will definitely show up as a civ at some point. Sparta being a separate civilization wouldn't surprise me, their culture was radically different from the other city-states of their time.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Spend $650 on a laptop/iPad of any variety, spend $650 on making a PC with a decent graphics card. Then enjoy having a laptop and getting to play Civ and other games running at much higher settings than the MacBook Pro's current crappy graphics card without giving Apple $1.3k. I would except my Civ playing time is usually limited to my 45 minute bus ride each afternoon, so I need a laptop that can run it that doesn't weigh 6 pounds and take up as much space as a Gutenberg Bible.
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Chalks posted:Doesn't it seem really odd to have multiple leaders but only have it for one of the civs at launch? I'd find it much easier to believe Sparta being an additional DLC than adding multiple leaders but only doing it for one civ. Maybe it's just a proof of concept, or maybe they're going to add more leaders and she's the only one in the current build of the game? I doubt they're adding Sparta as future DLC, given that she's already in the demo's Civpedia.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:lmao Gorgo was a queen of Sparta. Get ready for a bunch of gamergaters mad that the civ most tied to the id of masculinity has a woman as a leader. Pretty sure you are the only one who cares and I guess some random post on some civilization forum.
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Koramei posted:If it's Gorgo for Greece then who the hell is Pericles for
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Sparta being a separate civilization wouldn't surprise me, their culture was radically different from the other city-states of their time. There was that scenario in Civ4 warlords that pitted Greece vs Sparta, was kind of cool.
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Kajeesus posted:Maybe it's just a proof of concept, or maybe they're going to add more leaders and she's the only one in the current build of the game? I doubt they're adding Sparta as future DLC, given that she's already in the demo's Civpedia. Yeah, that's certainly possible - but it feels a bit too close to launch for that sort of thing. They're clearly in the polish and balance phase at this point, they must have a lot of playtesting going on and I'm not sure they'd want to introduce new leaders too late. They might not be considered all that impactful though so it might be the case. As far as a DLC civ being in the civpedia already - maybe I'm a massive cynic but it seems likely that they might have their first post release DLC already in the works and playtested at release (even if they still have some things like art to finish off before they announce it)
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Assuming Poland is brought in and Sparta and Greece aren't separated then with the 20 known civs we've got their geographic breakdown as follows: Europe - 9 Asia - 6 Africa - 2 America - 3 Make of that what you will but I am personally surprised that the aztecs are the only native civ from the new world
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Could be that Gorgo is a placeholder for the unannounced Serbian civ
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Peas and Rice posted:I would except my Civ playing time is usually limited to my 45 minute bus ride each afternoon, so I need a laptop that can run it that doesn't weigh 6 pounds and take up as much space as a Gutenberg Bible. In that case so long as you have the cash dual booting the Macbook Pro is probably a pretty good bet. The new line will be coming out some time later this year though (current speculation is in October), so definitely wait for that, a graphics card boost will definitely be a big part of it. (And you might get to snap up a used MacBook Pro for a lot cheaper if cash is an issue.)
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Really disappointed with that lineup. Obnoxiously eurocentric yet again. Only one Sub-Saharan civ, only one pre-Colonial Americas, nobody at all from SE Asia and Oceania, no Ottomans, no Persia, no Mongols...
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I meant this chart And for those that keep score, matches for the hitherto unknown spots have been located.  
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