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paranoid randroid posted:Peter Thiel is going to turn into that fat thing from Blade that Wesley Snipes cooks with a UV light he's going to eat gawker.com like Khaleesi and give birth to three gay dragons that live forever
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Popular Thug Drink posted:alright, if you're comfortable judging the behavior of gay people in reference to what you would expect from them according to their sexuality then, uh, you do you i guess Not sure why you're trying to claim the high ground here, you're comfortable judging when we can suspend freedom of the press when they print something you morally object to so...
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's possible that peter theil is not a single issue voter, just because he is Gay. he might actually have other issues, that weigh upon him more, than his sexuality, perhaps You might say he's socially liberal, but fiscally retarded.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's possible that peter theil is not a single issue voter, just because he is Gay. he might actually have other issues, that weigh upon him more, than his sexuality, perhaps yes like for example, pushing for legalization of his patent-pending flesh-rending nightmare engine that turns the bodies of proles into electricity for his seastead
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Aug 18, 2016 20:08
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's possible that peter theil is not a single issue voter, just because he is Gay. he might actually have other issues, that weigh upon him more, than his sexuality, perhaps Randy Shilts had a lot of good reporting on this. In the 80's Wall Street was full of closeted gay men who voted Republican because they prioritized being rich over being open about their sexuality. As long as they could hit a club on the weekend and keep everything hush hush they genuinely prioritized economics over human rights for themselves.
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Raerlynn posted:Not sure why you're trying to claim the high ground here, you're comfortable judging when we can suspend freedom of the press when they print something you morally object to so... yes, i am comfortable saying that you should not have a constitutional right to post sex videos of people you don't like this is not a super own btw Mel Mudkiper posted:Randy Shilts had a lot of good reporting on this. In the 80's Wall Street was full of closeted gay men who voted Republican because they prioritized being rich over being open about their sexuality. As long as they could hit a club on the weekend and keep everything hush hush they genuinely prioritized economics over human rights for themselves. and this doesn't make anyone crazy! an rear end in a top hat sure, i guess, but this is not evidence of mental illness. lack of political ideology is not a sign of mental deficiency, as it turns out
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's possible that peter theil is not a single issue voter, just because he is Gay. he might actually have other issues, that weigh upon him more, than his sexuality, perhaps Obviously they'd have to be worth ruining the lives of hundreds of thousands of gays, including your own life. Somehow, I doubt any other voting issue is suddenly gonna override the need to not be viewed as a public nuisance worthy only of imprisonment and death.
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Theil is like every other Silicon Valley tech bro millionaire: You'd think they'd be liberal given the proximity to San Fran, but in reality, they're the type of people who whine if they have to walk FIVE loving MINUTES for a bus and threaten to drive if they have to.
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Dexo posted:"gently caress the other gays and their broke boi problems, I got mine. Bootstraps bitch. Also woo tax breaks, and less regulations. #MAKEAMERICAGREATAGAIN" I know multiple dudes just like this.
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Raerlynn posted:Not sure why you're trying to claim the high ground here, you're comfortable judging when we can suspend freedom of the press when they print something you morally object to so... To be fair, and I say this as a person vehemently opposed to Thiel and pretty pro-Gawker, Gawker broke the law when they did the Hogan thing. Like, was Peter Thiel's campaign against Gawker a dangerous precedent for the first amendment? Absolutely. But this was not a moral quandry. Gawker did legitimately break the law and got tagged for it. They got tagged way harder than was justified because of a billionaire bankroller, but still, they had no justification for posting that sex tape.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Hollywoo Stars And Celebrities: What Are Their Genitals Like? Can They gently caress Good? Let's Find Out! ...proceed
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CommieGIR posted:Somehow, I doubt any other voting issue is suddenly gonna override the need to not be viewed as a public nuisance worthy only of imprisonment and death. This is objectively not true though. Read up about gays in Wall Street in the 80s. Hell it took AIDS to get them to come around on the importance of gay rights and even then it took a look of feet dragging.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Randy Shilts had a lot of good reporting on this. In the 80's Wall Street was full of closeted gay men who voted Republican because they prioritized being rich over being open about their sexuality. As long as they could hit a club on the weekend and keep everything hush hush they genuinely prioritized economics over human rights for themselves. Milo claims that being gay was better when you were forced to be in the closet because it was more dangerous and didn't interfere with public culture. There's definitely a weird string of libertarian / conservative gay thought that thinks that being gay is "too mainstream" now and this group is also usually wealthy or privileged, so they tend to end up like Thiel and do the gay version of "I'm colorblind!" and just say, "Don't be gay in people's faces and people won't treat you differently! It's only an issue because people are making it one!"
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Raerlynn posted:Bless your heart. uh what are you talking about? let me ask u a question - should i be able to post a sextape that belongs to you on the internet?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Milo claims that being gay was better when you were forced to be in the closet because it was more dangerous and didn't interfere with public culture. There's definitely a weird string of libertarian / conservative gay thought that thinks that being gay is "too mainstream" now and this group is also usually wealthy or privileged, so they tend to end up like Thiel and do the gay version of "I'm colorblind!" and just say, "Don't be gay in people's faces and people won't treat you differently! It's only an issue because people are making it one!" Yeah, wealth is the ultimate privilege. All other rights are basically secondary to preserving wealth if you are among the elites. It doesn't matter if the average gay man gets dragged to death by a truck, you are rich enough that you are protected from the actual consequences of social prejudice.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah, wealth is the ultimate privilege. All other rights are basically secondary to preserving wealth if you are among the elites. It doesn't matter if the average gay man gets dragged to death by a truck, you are rich enough that you are protected from the actual consequences of social prejudice. Case in point: Jenner.
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CommieGIR posted:Obviously they'd have to be worth ruining the lives of hundreds of thousands of gays, including your own life. This is why Republicans will never get decent numbers in regards to us Black people. Spend any time in a Black Barbershop, or around a large amount of various black people and there are so many who are conservative as all loving hell. Like I've heard just as bad poo poo about Muslims from urban Black people as I have your typical rural white person. Ditto with LGBT rights(Maaaaan The Black Church can be real bad about this, my cousin was outright incensed when her baby boy was put into a pink walker that my other cousin had left over from her girl. Saying poo poo like she doesn't want her kid to grow up to be gay) Like if the GOP could literally just pick one loving minority group to not piss off they would be good money.
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There is also a dangerous habit of trying to compound victimhood with ethical stature. Remember, a person can be a victim and still be a loving terrible human being. Just because a person is a member of heavily persecuted group doesn't mean they are any more likely to be a decent ethical person than anyone else. Plenty of lovely people probably died in Auschwitz. Its important to remember that being a terrible person doesn't mean that you deserve to be a victim, and that being a victim doesn't mean you aren't also a terrible person.
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iospace posted:I know someone who's ADHD. Their insurance through their parents changed. Whoops, suddenly ADHD meds are no longer "preventative", SORRY HERE'S A 1K USD BILL. she talks to the prss all the time, though for the record.
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It is always right to shove hypocrites' faces into the subject of their hypocrisy. There are no protected classes in this, IMO.
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Deified Data posted:It is always right to shove hypocrites' faces into the subject of their hypocrisy. There are no protected classes in this, IMO. Is Peter Thiel really a hypocrite though? He is a gay billionaire who is prioritizing billionaire over gay.
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I know a trans woman who is voting for Trump and McCrory in NC. She's not rich or even well off. I just can't understand the mental hurdles she is jumping to get to that decisions. All I can conclude is she is one hell of a masochist.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:To be fair, and I say this as a person vehemently opposed to Thiel and pretty pro-Gawker, Gawker broke the law when they did the Hogan thing. Like, was Peter Thiel's campaign against Gawker a dangerous precedent for the first amendment? Absolutely. But this was not a moral quandry. Gawker did legitimately break the law and got tagged for it. They got tagged way harder than was justified because of a billionaire bankroller, but still, they had no justification for posting that sex tape. In point of fact Gawker won on appeal that Hogan's constant public bragging about his sex life made it an issue of public interest, but by this point the damage had been done. I'm not arguing the morality of the video itself, yeah posting sex videos without consent is not cool. I however hold that the harm Thiel has done to the freedom of the press greatly, greatly outstrips the harm of a sex tape leak. As others above noted, if you think this is the only time this is going to happen you're being dangerously optimistic. Popular Thug Drink posted:yes, i am comfortable saying that you should not have a constitutional right to post sex videos of people you don't like 
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I for one am shocked that White Gay Men are idiots at times.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Is Peter Thiel really a hypocrite though? He is a gay billionaire who is prioritizing billionaire over gay. Maybe not but it's funny that he's trying to create a world in which that Valleywag article would have done greater damage to his life than he suffered in reality.
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Policies that will drive the world economy off a cliff for a little more short-sighted FYGM have crossed from 'rear end in a top hat' to 'god drat crazy' in my opinion. Like the writing is on the wall but those loving morons are so out of touch with reality they are sure there is more blood to be drained from that stone.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:she talks to the prss all the time, though for the record. "But it's not a full press conference!  "
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Raerlynn posted:I however hold that the harm Thiel has done to the freedom of the press greatly, greatly outstrips the harm of a sex tape leak. As others above noted, if you think this is the only time this is going to happen you're being dangerously optimistic. I agree and am not arguing with this. But I do not think its fair to say the sex tape thing was just unethical when it was also illegal.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I agree and am not arguing with this. But I do not think its fair to say the sex tape thing was just unethical when it was also illegal. It's not illegal. Unethical, certainly; but not illegal.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Is Peter Thiel really a hypocrite though? He is a gay billionaire who is prioritizing billionaire over gay. No, he's a hypocrite because he's a free market evangelist who used his money to take down a company regardless of that company's merits in "the eyes of the market".
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AlexJade posted:I know a trans woman who is voting for Trump and McCrory in NC. She's not rich or even well off. I just can't understand the mental hurdles she is jumping to get to that decisions. All I can conclude is she is one hell of a masochist. Loves guns? Thinks they will be rich soon? Self-loathing? Racist? Close personal friends with Pat McCrory? Trump I can kind of see, but McCrory is weird.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I for one am shocked that White Gay Men are idiots at times. Yeah I don't know if it's accurate that wealth is the ultimate privilege, moreso that not being straight is very easy to hide and pierces other barriers so much that it's not as major of a handicap. If people were randomly (rich, poor, white, etc) being born black you'd probably see a lot less police brutality too.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I agree and am not disagreeing with this. But I do not think its fair to say the sex tape thing was just unethical when it was also illegal. Except it's not. Hulk Hogan is a public figure, and as noted before, a public figure is given much, much less leeway on what's considered "private". Basically if you can argue that it's in the public interest to know that detail, then it's fair game. I'll be right there with you that is not in good taste, but it is not illegal.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I agree and am not arguing with this. But I do not think its fair to say the sex tape thing was just unethical when it was also illegal. This is straight up untrue.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It's not illegal. it goddamn should be the standard of "bragged about sex life, therefore his sex life is in our interests" is completely insane
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computer parts posted:If people were randomly (rich, poor, white, etc) being born black you'd probably see a lot less police brutality too. Read up on Prince George county
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computer parts posted:Yeah I don't know if it's accurate that wealth is the ultimate privilege, moreso that not being straight is very easy to hide and pierces other barriers so much that it's not as major of a handicap. It's intersectional. Being a rich white gay man gives you a ton of privilege cache. Being gay doesn't wash away, entirely, the things that come along with the other parts of them. It's why mainstream gay culture can be real, real loving awful at times: it's largely dominated by affluent, white men. Also why it can involve some really, really shady poo poo w/r/t sexual assault that we in the LGBT community try real hard not to think about too much.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Randy Shilts had a lot of good reporting on this. In the 80's Wall Street was full of closeted gay men who voted Republican because they prioritized being rich over being open about their sexuality. As long as they could hit a club on the weekend and keep everything hush hush they genuinely prioritized economics over human rights for themselves. There wasn't much support for gay rights in the 80s anyways. It was legal to openly discriminated against gays in every state. Yeah the DNC added it to their platform in 1980, but there wasn't enough support to make progress. Effectively there was no difference between these parties so it made a lot more sense to vote based on other issues. Especially if those other issues are increasing your wealth (and privilege)
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