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ThndrShk2k posted:Wait, so you're not bitching about campaign finances but the more un-noteworthy personal finances that come with appropriate time, especially since he had to deal with the whole election and didn't get it out at the normal time? Everyone else managed to do it somehow
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ThndrShk2k posted:Wait, so you're not bitching about campaign finances but the more un-noteworthy personal finances that come with appropriate time, especially since he had to deal with the whole election and didn't get it out at the normal time? are they un-noteworthy? probably. but in general we have disclosure laws because "trust me" has not worked very well in the past. every other candidate is able to get their finances out on time despite also running campaigns. candidates worth vastly more money, with more complicated finances. the sanders campaign made quite a bit of money so it would not have cost a whole lot of money to just hire an accountant to compile the data into a form and submit it. so why didn't he do that?
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Aug 18, 2016 18:06
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sandeerrs is a loving lame rear end scammer and shame SHAME on you if you donated to his scam he never intended to get presidentcy he intended to fluff his old rear end ego one last time so his trumstone reads "dead gay sanders - he was important for a month once in 2016" what a lame rear end poo poo sanders, what a joke
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Aug 18, 2016 18:08
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the fact that bernie didn't release his financials is lovely and Bad, and I find it very objectionable, but i still think his campaign was in general a wonderful thing to have happened and i sincerely hope it creates the foundation for meaningful political change going forward that's my post thanks for reading
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Aug 18, 2016 18:08
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Concerned Citizen posted:the bad thing is ]abusing the very generous law regarding extensions. whether or not there is actual fraud is irrelevant. That is a very liberal choice of words you have there. To bad that's the absolute extent of your argument. It wasn't illegal. It wasn't unethical. From reading this thread, half of the people here aren't even really sure what goes into these disclosures, seeing that they're looking up dirt on his campaign finances instead of his tax returns or net worth.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:08
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Concerned Citizen posted:are they un-noteworthy? probably. but in general we have disclosure laws because "trust me" has not worked very well in the past. The other candidates were also running more organized and professional non-grassroots based campaigns that had the full backing of some sort of organization. (DNC, RNC, TRUMP Industries, etc) Complicated finances =Sanders' campaign due to the small donations coming in so much. Complicated finances != large donations that are easily logged and tracked. Do you even realised how much of a quagmire Sander's financial tracking is compared to the other candidates who got less frequent donations of significantly larger amounts? Pick up Quicken and start buying poo poo one item at a time at the store and try to organize that properly when you're buying $1000 worth of stuff every day at the store. It's easier to do if you buy large items that cost more, not small items that cost less than a dollar each. I'm pretty sure Sanders is more afraid of FEC poo poo for his campaign than prioritizing his own personal finance details. Especially since he was able to get an appropriate extension
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Aug 18, 2016 18:13
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:That is a very liberal choice of words you have there. To bad that's the absolute extent of your argument. It wasn't illegal. It wasn't unethical. From reading this thread, half of the people here aren't even really sure what goes into these disclosures, seeing that they're looking up dirt on his campaign finances instead of his tax returns or net worth. How do you feel about Priorities USA supporting Hillary.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:14
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Badger of Basra posted:Everyone else managed to do it somehow Mostly everyone submits their taxes before the deadline in April Must be that those who get extensions are terrible people who want to defraud the government. I mean, Everyone else managed to get their taxes in on time somehow, that must be the case.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:16
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Pinterest Mom posted:How do you feel about Priorities USA supporting Hillary. They, like other PACs after the CU ruling, are legally barred from coordinating with Hillary's campaign so w/e
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Aug 18, 2016 18:18
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ThndrShk2k posted:Mostly everyone submits their taxes before the deadline in April Having worked for an accounting firm, I can assure you most extensions actually are terrible people who want to defraud the government. 
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Aug 18, 2016 18:21
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ThndrShk2k posted:The other candidates were also running more organized and professional non-grassroots based campaigns that had the full backing of some sort of organization. (DNC, RNC, TRUMP Industries, etc) i actually know exactly how much of a "quagmire" sander's financial tracking is. it is not at all, because it is almost entirely automated by NGP. it is not actually that difficult. the sanders campaign was a professional operation, it wasn't some ragtag group of rebels in a vermont forest. they had some of the most prominent and expensive consultants working for them. many of their staff had worked on other campaigns before. the fec poo poo is small-fry, and really so are the personal finances. it would have taken maybe a day or two at most to put together the personal financial disclosure for sanders. he simply chose not to do so, and that was bad! ThndrShk2k posted:Mostly everyone submits their taxes before the deadline in April just to be clear: it's not just that he got an extension. it's that he took 2 extensions, then dropped out and decided that means he will never have to disclose because he is no longer a candidate. it's fairly blatant that he simply did not wish to disclose the information. Dead Cosmonaut posted:That is a very liberal choice of words you have there. To bad that's the absolute extent of your argument. It wasn't illegal. It wasn't unethical. From reading this thread, half of the people here aren't even really sure what goes into these disclosures, seeing that they're looking up dirt on his campaign finances instead of his tax returns or net worth. it was definitely unethical, i disagree entirely. he used the extensions in an unprecedented way to dodge personal financial disclosure requirements until after voters had already cast their ballots. that's wrong.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:21
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ThndrShk2k posted:Mostly everyone submits their taxes before the deadline in April Some people who file for extensions actually end up submitting returns eventually, instead of waiting out the clock until they magically don't have to anymore
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Aug 18, 2016 18:22
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Bill Buckner posted:Having worked for an accounting firm, I can assure you most extensions actually are terrible people who want to defraud the government. I don't think he was trying to defraud the government, it's just hard to justify a populist anti-1% message when you're a member of the 1%
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Aug 18, 2016 18:23
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actually, it's about ethics in financial disclosure statements
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Aug 18, 2016 18:24
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maybe he doesn't want people to know about those $100k payments from david brock to endorse hillary
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Aug 18, 2016 18:24
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Concerned Citizen posted:maybe he doesn't want people to know about those $100k payments from david brock to endorse hillary probably all the money he took from big maple
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Aug 18, 2016 18:26
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Bill Buckner posted:Having worked for an accounting firm, I can assure you most extensions actually are terrible people who want to defraud the government. The rest are lazy people or people who had a complicated year (and were too lazy to organize poo poo before april) But yeah, most tax shenanigans are for more illicit purposes
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Aug 18, 2016 18:30
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Bernie holding in a laugh while DEFRAUDING the United States of America with donations from his foreign national spy supporters!
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Aug 18, 2016 18:31
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*INTERIOR: Bernie's luxurious bedroom in his new 5 million dollar vermont vacation home* BERNIE (jolts awake): holy poo poo holy poo poo jane i had that dream again JANE: what bernie, what is it?! BERNIE: z.. zo... zoux. he was here. posting about me. AGAIN JANE: jesus christ
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Aug 18, 2016 18:35
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Concerned Citizen posted:just to be clear: it's not just that he got an extension. it's that he took 2 extensions, then dropped out and decided that means he will never have to disclose because he is no longer a candidate. it's fairly blatant that he simply did not wish to disclose the information. Probably would've better to explain that last part earlier as I don't read random twitter links from people who usually post non-important random twitter links about the candidate is bad. Not just for Sanders, but for any candidate Most of it is just people bitching about nothing Because it's twitter. --- For the extensions I can understand. The whole not revealing it because he dropped out is sort of understandable too. Especially with the reaction they got for buying a new vaca home closer to home (after selling their Maine vacation home his wife inherited.) Since he hasn't broken any laws yet, lets just rate this Goldman Sachs speech level of poo poo. Slightly concerning but nothing unless they are revealed and shows some poo poo.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:35
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Karl Barks posted:*INTERIOR: Bernie's luxurious bedroom in his new 5 million dollar vermont vacation home* Speaking of posting about me again...
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Aug 18, 2016 18:40
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ThndrShk2k posted:For the extensions I can understand. well i think it's basically following the normal sanders pattern of being very reticent in revealing his personal financial data. he needed to be cajoled to release his tax returns, and then released only one year. and i certainly understand why people don't want to disclose their personal financial information, but it's actually a good thing and he should just do it and not make such a big deal about it. he's a public official.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:47
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Concerned Citizen posted:well i think it's basically following the normal sanders pattern of being very reticent in revealing his personal financial data. he needed to be cajoled to release his tax returns, and then released only one year. and i certainly understand why people don't want to disclose their personal financial information, but it's actually a good thing and he should just do it and not make such a big deal about it. he's a public official. TBH I am glad we reach this point without the back and forth bickering like I did with AWIJ yesterday in the other thread, Thank you 
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Aug 18, 2016 18:54
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Private prisons are over...well soon. I don't know how long the process will take to phase them out.
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Aug 18, 2016 19:04
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Look, no one post about any body or anything PLEASE
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Aug 18, 2016 19:06
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Concerned Citizen posted:it was definitely unethical, i disagree entirely. he used the extensions in an unprecedented way to dodge personal financial disclosure requirements I don't think you realize that this is frequently practiced in the senate and it certainly wouldn't be a presidential campaign first. Without the legality and only the ethics, Lyndon Johnson never, ever fully revealed his net worth. Nixon only released this in hindsight. FDR never, ever did until after his death. Concerned Citizen posted:until after voters had already cast their ballots. that's wrong. Out of all the things to be mad about with the personal finance disclosure you picked probably the weirdest one.
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GlitchThief posted:Look, no one post about any body or anything PLEASE this
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Aug 18, 2016 19:07
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Also, guess which other candidate requested extensions in a previous presidential election? That's right.
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Aug 18, 2016 19:13
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Nonsense posted:Private prisons are over...well soon. I don't know how long the process will take to phase them out. :bernget:
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Aug 18, 2016 20:23
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Karl Barks posted:*INTERIOR: Bernie's luxurious bedroom in his new 5 million dollar vermont vacation home* Zoux's posting makes me say, "Jesus Christ," too.
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Aug 18, 2016 20:26
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Well, I'm convinced. This possibly shady personal thing has turned me off of Bernie's policies forever.
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Aug 18, 2016 21:16
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Revolution is over. Go home.
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Aug 18, 2016 21:34
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zen death robot posted:If you don't like it here move to Mexico! Is there a dedicated meme-friendly Bernie Sanders thread there?
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Aug 18, 2016 21:43
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ur postin in it pal
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Aug 18, 2016 21:45
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Karl Barks posted:ur postin in it pal Home at last! :bernget:
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Aug 18, 2016 21:49
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stop posting that loving emoticon
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Darkman Fanpage posted:stop posting that loving emoticon Fuckin' make me, m8 :bernget:
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Ima tell PETA that Bernouts hunt chickens for sport. I reckon they deserve each other.
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