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XYZ posted:Or just let people enjoy old games in whatever manner they like? nobody is saying people aren't allowed to do anything we just have very strong opinions about tedious minutiae  e: and honestly this exists in any hobby and sometimes to degrees that make this seem civilized and normal d0s fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Gonna say something about shmups to watch d0s go on a rampage
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flyboi posted:Gonna say something about shmups to watch d0s go on a rampage you should I have nothing better to do atm
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Aug 20, 2016 03:29
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d0s posted:you should I have nothing better to do atm Bullethell is a lovely style of game, you might as well have the player playing Operation or connect the dots (with very low criteria for failure.)
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Aug 20, 2016 03:32
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Improbable Lobster posted:It's kinda weird and sad if that kind of nostalgia is your only reason for playing old games It's not, but if I'm hooking up an old console to play it, I'd rather go all the way back.
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Aug 20, 2016 03:32
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Cliff Racer posted:Bullethell is a lovely style of game, you might as well have the player playing Operation or connect the dots (with very low criteria for failure.) agreed, apart from like early cave and stuff from around that time it's a boring trend and shooters were better before it
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Aug 20, 2016 03:34
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Jumpingmanjim posted:You guys should repro a life. can't reproduce what never existed
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Kid Fenris posted:YOU'RE a repro. 
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Aug 20, 2016 03:40
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TheRedEye posted:Something I don't hear talked about with bootleg cartridges is how a lot of them were free hacks and translations done by the community, sold by someone else for a profit without permission. It's one thing to bootleg a commercial game that a company already made its profit off of or whatever, but it's another thing entirely to poo poo in your own community pool like this. I can see how that might be vexing to the community folks who do that sort of thing, but on the other hand, I guess it's kind of a shaky ground. When a translation patch is for an emulator ROM image of a game that most of the people playing its translation probably don't own an actual copy of...well, sauce for the gander or whatever. I somehow doubt that Nintendo or Square or most other Japanese companies/rights holders would make a fine distinction about a translation patch being non-profit or for-profit, when it's for their game in what is legally an unauthorized distribution format. The translation might be technically legal (so you could have a nice script and all that which people could read as they played), but if a company pressed the point, it'd be the same thing as a shuttering effect if they said "The translation is fair use, but the patch is for a version of our game that is being distributed in a format we did not and do not authorize", and a judge agreed. I could be wrong, of course. It's trite and entitled to say, I guess, but if translators have any motivation or ideals for their work being anything but their selfless effort expended for the love of the game and gaming, to be used and abused by anyone, then they're courting some serious hurt and disappointment. d0s posted:do you see any problem at all with for-profit organizations doing it on a large scale or is all of it hunky-dory to you no matter if it's a hobbyist or a businessman? honestly curious not trolling or trying to argue or whatever Short summarized answer: I guess it is fine to me, in the end. Long conditional answer: I'll say that I'm personally not keen on large-scale, for-profit reproduction/bootleg/whatever creation - but ultimately, it's up to the rights holders and community to actually do something about it and make it painful or unpalatable for said for-profit organizations to do. I suppose I can step away from my seeming hedge by saying that my retrogaming mentality is based more in a utilitarian perspective ("This looks fun/interesting/cool to have"), rather than from what I'd consider the more perfectionist collector mentality. So I have flash carts, I buy cheap but less-than-pristine consoles, my hardware is modded for better video output than it would otherwise have if left in its original state, and loose carts (particularly Super Famicom) dominate the physical game collection I have. So for me, if something works, and the price is right, that's what I'm interested in. Of course I prefer genuine goods, because who doesn't? But I guess I would be slightly less averse to bootlegs, especially if I had few other options, than someone who is more focused on legitimate perfection in how they collect, and for whom a bootleg (mainly of an otherwise regular but desirable game for their region and market) would be most hurtful. But I'm not going to condemn people who make physical bootlegs or hack carts, and I'm not going to particularly sweat a bunch of small factories in Shenzhen trying to sweat out a living with their bootlegs of Mega Drive games. Doing that strikes me as being elitist and chauvinistic (to be Tumblresque for a bit), because trashing bootleggers and pirates is basically a trickle-down condemnation and judgement of those retrogamers around the world who, due to combinations of customs, laws, and economics, had much of their experience formed by the presence of bootlegs in their arcades and gaming market. Maybe someone in the US would be pissed off by a bootleg SMB3, and understandably so, but that same bootleg spirit (in a multi-game cart as Super Marion 6669) is what formed the core of the retrogaming experience for someone in Russia or elsewhere. And who is to say that's a bad thing in the big picture?
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crimzon clover is a rare modern bullet hell game that's also super good & I encourage anyone who thinks that subgenre is poo poo to get it on steam or whatever because it will surprise and delight you
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Aug 20, 2016 03:43
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I'm gonna skip the last 100 posts to state that the stupidest "gut a thing to make a tackier thing" trend is the Game Boy Macro: http://gameboymacro.com/d0s posted:crimzon clover is a rare modern bullet hell game that's also super good & I encourage anyone who thinks that subgenre is poo poo to get it on steam or whatever because it will surprise and delight you Crimzon Clover is ghetto modern Cave, you should hate it.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:Doing that strikes me as being elitist and chauvinistic (to be Tumblresque for a bit), because trashing bootleggers and pirates is basically a trickle-down condemnation and judgement of those retrogamers around the world who, due to combinations of customs, laws, and economics, had much of their experience formed by the presence of bootlegs in their arcades and gaming market. Maybe someone in the US would be pissed off by a bootleg SMB3, and understandably so, but that same bootleg spirit (in a multi-game cart as Super Marion 6669) is what formed the core of the retrogaming experience for someone in Russia or elsewhere. And who is to say that's a bad thing in the big picture? I agree that it's lovely to condemn people for pirating old games, no problem there. I just have a problem with what are basically corporations at this point trashing legit games to make bootlegs on a large scale. for the most part you can pirate nearly everything without resorting to that. I don't see it as the same criticism at all, it's two separate issues to me. if a factory in china wants to make bootleg old games from scratch (which is what most china xxx in 1 etc carts are) I have as little problem with that as I do flash carts.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Crimzon Clover is ghetto modern Cave, you should hate it. crimzon clover isn't by cave, it was made by a single dude from home and is better than anything cave has put out in at least a decade
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d0s posted:crimzon clover isn't by cave, it was made by a single dude from home and is better than anything cave has put out in at least a decade It's a (great) hodgepodge of stuff he took from modern Cave games is my point. I don't get how you can be dismissive of modern Cave games and supportive of CC as if they aren't fundamentally similar games.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:The translation might be technically legal (so you could have a nice script and all that which people could read as they played), but if a company pressed the point, it'd be the same thing as a shuttering effect if they said "The translation is fair use, but the patch is for a version of our game that is being distributed in a format we did not and do not authorize", and a judge agreed. I could be wrong, of course. It's trite and entitled to say, I guess, but if translators have any motivation or ideals for their work being anything but their selfless effort expended for the love of the game and gaming, to be used and abused by anyone, then they're courting some serious hurt and disappointment. A translation of a work is a derivative work and thus a violation of copyright if done without authorization. Obviously I don't think it's a particularly big deal, especially when we're talking about things that are commercially unviable to translate officially, but that's where the law is.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:It's a (great) hodgepodge of stuff he took from modern Cave games is my point. I don't get how you can be dismissive of modern Cave games and supportive of CC as if they aren't fundamentally similar games. it's a combination of aesthetic sanity (no waifus) and a central lock-on mechanic no cave game has ever had, it's also just a lot more fun to me than late cave
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Aug 20, 2016 04:01
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It's not a shmup and it's not retro but d0s check out downwell as it's a pretty sweet cheap game akin to shmups. Your welcome.
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flyboi posted:It's not a shmup and it's not retro but d0s check out*record scratch* 
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d0s posted:I agree that it's lovely to condemn people for pirating old games, no problem there. I just have a problem with what are basically corporations at this point trashing legit games to make bootlegs on a large scale. for the most part you can pirate nearly everything without resorting to that. I don't see it as the same criticism at all, it's two separate issues to me. if a factory in china wants to make bootleg old games from scratch (which is what most china xxx in 1 etc carts are) I have as little problem with that as I do flash carts. Admittedly, I haven't followed the situation with sales of converted bootleg carts that closely (other than someone mentioning some chain doing it), but my visceral reaction depends on what games they're trashing to do that sort of thing. Though, if we want to get down to brass tacks, it's probably no real difference to someone who got burned by a cart they purchased, regardless of if it came from a company making carts en masse or from an individual "hobbyist". Random Stranger posted:A translation of a work is a derivative work and thus a violation of copyright if done without authorization. Obviously I don't think it's a particularly big deal, especially when we're talking about things that are commercially unviable to translate officially, but that's where the law is. Good to know, and I suppose it only highlights my point about translations being on shaky ground. Which doesn't mean that's the right thing for them to be legally, or that people should gleefully exploit the work of fan translators and disrespect their wishes regarding distribution and sales, but  . Assholes gonna rear end if there's money involved.
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downwell is really actually fun  but its definitely not a shmupCaitlin posted:this guy is on the mark im repost this then 
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Zand posted:downwell is really actually fun games made after the mid 2000s are degeneracy
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Aren't 5-screw Gyromite carts really hard to find now because people keep gutting them for 68-72 pin converters?
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Oh god, he's even playing Outrun on it! 
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Random Stranger posted:As long as they're not Nintendo 64 games. All of those are crap. Tetrisphere has nothing on The New Tetris. Okay some people are going to say The New Tetris is a bad game and its development was kinda rocky apparently but it includes the single best mode of any tetris game and so many games since haven't had it: square tetris. I had so much fun in college playing 4-way square tetris, competing against each other to form squares and clear them faster and faster. It completely changes the priorities in how you play the game. Zand posted:downwell is really actually fun What. I imagine this happening over time, the guy slowly buying more and more input devices and just adding them without getting a new board or moving the existing controls, because what the hell.
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TheRedEye posted:Just a heads up that Everdrive GBA seems to not work with like, the majority of micro SD cards that exist. Hopefully a firmware update can fix it (I'm 0/2 so far), and hopefully I can actually update the firmware considering that it requires, you know, reading off of an SD card. I ran into this with a 16GB Sandisk, and had luck with a 32gb Transcend card (class 10) formatted with a 32k cluster size. I have an extra because it didn't work in my Everdrive GB - happy to hand it off to you somewhere in the city if you want it. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015J44R0U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_P--TxbFYXBTMS
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Zand posted:downwell is really actually fun Nice Tron stwhat the gently caress
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Zand posted:downwell is really actually fun Dehuminize yourself and face to bloodshed.
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Zaphod42 posted:Tetrisphere has nothing on The New Tetris. This guy knows what's up. My friends and I used to play 4 player mode in High School all the time. It had a long string of preview pieces, a bank you could rotate piece into to save it for later, and the ability to make those big gold & silver blocks. It felt like the perfect evolution of Tetris, it changes things up just enough but kept the core game mechanics the same.
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Re: repros I know a guy who has a pretty sophisticated CD/DVD burning and labeling rig that is left over from when he used to bootleg VCDs for fansub groups and we've always talked about doing a few repros of games that are, for all intents and purposes, never going to see the light of day again for any other reason. But we were actually talking about doing full repackaging with new disc art and stuff so not really so much repros as bootleg collectors editions. And yes, this is only 50% because I want to push more people to play Street Fighter X, Vchron and SSVS. Seriously though, I pine for the days when Street Fighter X was 10 bucks online because no one gave a gently caress about it, it's got some of the coolest art and packaging of any game ever. 
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d0s posted:it's a combination of aesthetic sanity (no waifus) and a central lock-on mechanic no cave game has ever had, it's also just a lot more fun to me than late cave I've put a few hours into Mushi Steam and I find it's exhilarating and satisfying to play, the very essence of what makes quasi-modern shmups fun. Ultra modes (minus Novice) can gently caress right off, though. e: An example is weaving around, macro-dodging the return bullets from the large green flying bugs in stage 4, blowing them up one after another. That's just great. Ofecks fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Allen Wren posted:...what is SFX? It's just SSF2T. "X" is the Japanese name for Turbo. The Dreamcast version isn't really novel outside of being a relatively accurate port with online play. (HD Remix was baed on the codebase from the Dreamcast port.)
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d0s posted:crimzon clover is a rare modern bullet hell game that's also super good & I encourage anyone who thinks that subgenre is poo poo to get it on steam or whatever because it will surprise and delight you Allen Wren posted:...what is SFX?
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Zaphod42 posted:Tetrisphere has nothing on The New Tetris.  New Tetris has provided far and away the most fun I've had in tetris multiplayer. Everyone remembers N64 multiplayer as Goldeneye/Kart/Smash but New Tetris and Dr Mario 64 gave them a run for their money in our group. I really wish that squaring mechanic would make it into any of the newer games as a mode or something.
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