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Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

It used to be common in rural areas. Some of us realize that due to past occurrences that this is no longer appropriate, and some of us don't.

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CaptainSarcastic: Jul 6, 2013

My highschool years were 1985-1989, and guns were never an issue at my school. Everyone was too busy with drugs to bother about guns.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 06:31

Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

Casimir Radon posted:

It used to be common in rural areas. Some of us realize that due to past occurrences that this is no longer appropriate, and some of us don't.

I know it was super common in the part of Michigan my family is from. They got real serious about it post-columbine so I never got to see it, but my mom went to high school with tons of people who would hunt after school. Just a really common pastime in flyover country.

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Young Freud: Nov 26, 2006

Azathoth posted:

Pre-Columbine, kids at my high school used to have hunting rifles in their cars in the school parking lot on a pretty regular basis. It was rural and our district covered a good sized area, so kids who were going hunting with friends after school would put their gun in their trunk rather than spend an hour or so running home to get it, before going to where ever they were hunting. No one thought much of it.

Post-Columbine, most people decided it wasn't a good idea, but I know a few kids who still did it, they were just a lot more careful and didn't talk about it.

Carrying it into the building though, or even taking it out of the trunk to show someone wasn't done. Even Pre-Columbine, everyone understood that was a bad idea.

You reminded me that we had a student suspended at my high school for having a rifle in a gun rack visible through his truck, like you could do in Texas in the early '90s, so it was unacceptable even then to bring a loaded gun on school property. However, I'm not sure if this was before or after we had a school shooting at the junior high next door. Some stressed-out kid put a .22 through an office door and held the principal hostage. They cleared out the school and had them wait in our lunch room and gyms while the SWAT team and police negotiators forced the boy to surrender. I remember going out with a couple friends during our lunch period, since our own cafeteria was off-limits to us, and watching sharpshooters deploy on our roof, despite being 100-200 yards on the wrong side of the building.

However, I also remember our high school theater class somehow having access to a full-length over-under hunting shotgun for a play that look plenty real compared to the cap guns we used for everything else. I'm certain it was a real firearm (mostly because one of the senior actors responsible for it in scene had it broken open and checking it during rehearsal) and they never used any type of shell for it, blanks or live, just using stage production special effects to signify a dramatic shot.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 09:34

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cumshitter posted:

I don't even get how he was able to function in the real world, it's amazing that he was able to go to Malheur because he wasn't jailed for something else.

He's told every authority figure he's met to gently caress off, to the point of getting in trouble for showing up to his own kid's court hearing and making an rear end of himself. He's the real life "fuk u i wont do what you tell me." Whatever broke the part of his brain that made him slack faced took away his ability to anticipate consequences.

I imagine being a white guy in hick areas with a rich, arrogant dad kept the Bundy Bros out of real trouble until they got such swelled heads that they decided to turn an abandoned bird sanctuary into Camp Freedom. We can only hope that the third generation Bundys might have a better shot of living as sane people now that their dads have had a good taste of consequences. Well, that, or hope that they don't act on their lifetime of rear end in a top hat indoctrination.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 13:25

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Mirthless posted:

I know it was super common in the part of Michigan my family is from. They got real serious about it post-columbine so I never got to see it, but my mom went to high school with tons of people who would hunt after school. Just a really common pastime in flyover country.

Not even flyover country. I'm in southern NY and it was common here, too.

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Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Young Freud posted:

However, I also remember our high school theater class somehow having access to a full-length over-under hunting shotgun for a play that look plenty real compared to the cap guns we used for everything else. I'm certain it was a real firearm (mostly because one of the senior actors responsible for it in scene had it broken open and checking it during rehearsal) and they never used any type of shell for it, blanks or live, just using stage production special effects to signify a dramatic shot.

It would've had something done to it to render it nonfunctional.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 16:27

SocketWrench: Jul 8, 2012; by Fritz the Horse

Jumpingmanjim posted:

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/aug/29/citing-communistic-mentality-son-cliven-bundy-with/

What a loving moron. There's a reason we don't let kids make decisions like carrying weapons at school.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 16:28

Young Freud: Nov 26, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

It would've had something done to it to render it nonfunctional.

I'm hoping so. I never got close enough to check for firing pins or anything. It was only remember it being used for one play, so it could have been a rental or a prop that the drama teacher owned.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 16:48

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Azathoth posted:

Pre-Columbine, kids at my high school used to have hunting rifles in their cars in the school parking lot on a pretty regular basis. It was rural and our district covered a good sized area, so kids who were going hunting with friends after school would put their gun in their trunk rather than spend an hour or so running home to get it, before going to where ever they were hunting. No one thought much of it.

Post-Columbine, most people decided it wasn't a good idea, but I know a few kids who still did it, they were just a lot more careful and didn't talk about it.

Carrying it into the building though, or even taking it out of the trunk to show someone wasn't done. Even Pre-Columbine, everyone understood that was a bad idea.

Same here. Whenever deer season rolled around, basically every pickup in my high school parking lot except mine had at least one rifle or shotgun hanging from the gun rack (pre-Columbine), though they never got brought down or even shown around that I know of.

I can't imagine they still let kids do that these days.

Discendo Vox posted:

It would've had something done to it to render it nonfunctional.

Young Freud posted:

I'm hoping so. I never got close enough to check for firing pins or anything. It was only remember it being used for one play, so it could have been a rental or a prop that the drama teacher owned.

We used starter pistols with blanks in a couple shows I was in. I remember the a visiting teacher asking, with some concern, why I was loading a revolver during rehearsal one time before I told her what it really was.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:01

Fuckt Tupp: Apr 19, 2007; Science

I saw on the local news that Ryan Bundy wants Oregon Governor Kate Brown to testify during the trial about her relationship with the FBI and release emails and other communications between the two. Kate Brown's office responded with a statement basically saying "WTF do we have to do with any of this?" The most damning thing I can imagine being revealed is emails with messages like "Could you guys hurry up and get these dangerous rednecks out of our wildlife sanctuary plz? thx."

# ? Aug 20, 2016 18:58

FilthyImp: Sep 30, 2002; Anime Deviant

Collusion at the highest levels of local gubment! Rise up, patriots, for not even states rights are safe from the rank indignity of Federal Powers! Only the posse comitatus is law! :bahgawd:

It's kind of amazing that the legal system has to take their inane scribblings as actual documents to be systematically disproven. God, what a waste of time just to say ::Ryan;Bundy:: a !man! Of &flesh& can't order the state to make him a judge and does not owe him 500,000 to participate in this trial.

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Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Azathoth posted:

Pre-Columbine, kids at my high school used to have hunting rifles in their cars in the school parking lot on a pretty regular basis. It was rural and our district covered a good sized area, so kids who were going hunting with friends after school would put their gun in their trunk rather than spend an hour or so running home to get it, before going to where ever they were hunting. No one thought much of it.

Post-Columbine, most people decided it wasn't a good idea, but I know a few kids who still did it, they were just a lot more careful and didn't talk about it.

Carrying it into the building though, or even taking it out of the trunk to show someone wasn't done. Even Pre-Columbine, everyone understood that was a bad idea.

Yeah keeping it in your car is a different matter and I realize people did that at least.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 19:15

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

my school had students participating in archery and trap shooting competitions. you didn't keep your shotgun in your drat locker though :pwn:

# ? Aug 20, 2016 19:42

RoyKeen: Jul 24, 2007; Grimey Drawer

VikingSkull posted:

Not even flyover country. I'm in southern NY and it was common here, too.

just curious. As someone in Westchester. What counts as "Southern NY"?

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SocketWrench: Jul 8, 2012; by Fritz the Horse

FilthyImp posted:

Collusion at the highest levels of local gubment! Rise up, patriots, for not even states rights are safe from the rank indignity of Federal Powers! Only the posse comitatus is law!

It's kind of amazing that the legal system has to take their inane scribblings as actual documents to be systematically disproven. God, what a waste of time just to say ::Ryan;Bundy:: a !man! Of &flesh& can't order the state to make him a judge and does not owe him 500,000 to participate in this trial.

That's how their whole legal system works. They just pile so much bullshit up in front of the court that they don't get taken to court for as long as possible.

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Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

We did do firearm safety at my middle school, but the hands-on stuff was done at the range.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 21:34

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

we had firearm safety in my little country town too, but we held the classes at the community center (not attached to or by the school). our classroom exercises did involve some hands-on training, like how to identify and operate a safety, how to safely check if a gun is loaded, and how to identify ammunition. they only used spent and dummy ammo in the classroom, but my guess is that even unloaded guns and empty casings were still not cool to have around the school. this was in the 90s, not sure if my firearms class happened before or after columbine, but it was definitely after the shooting in west paducah

# ? Aug 20, 2016 22:46

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# ? Aug 21, 2016 03:35

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Discendo Vox posted:

Courtesy of Plan Z and the weird/awesome fanart thread

# ? Aug 21, 2016 03:49

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Discendo Vox posted:

Courtesy of Plan Z and the weird/awesome fanart thread

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red19fire: May 26, 2010

My dad went to a Catholic HS in NJ in the early 70's. He was captain of the rifle team, and they kept the .22 target rifles locked up. A priest who was the rifle team coach also gave him an old WW2 bolt action Mauser for winning some state rifle competition. And also taught him and his friends how to smoke cigarettes. Which they then taught to the chimpanzee in the science lab.

It was a completely different time, and as usual a Bundy is a completely out of touch idiot.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 09:37

SocketWrench: Jul 8, 2012; by Fritz the Horse

red19fire posted:

My dad went to a Catholic HS in NJ in the early 70's. He was captain of the rifle team, and they kept the .22 target rifles locked up. A priest who was the rifle team coach also gave him an old WW2 bolt action Mauser for winning some state rifle competition. And also taught him and his friends how to smoke cigarettes. Which they then taught to the chimpanzee in the science lab.

It was a completely different time, and as usual a Bundy is a completely out of touch idiot.

Hey, one of the Bundys wasn't as much out of touch as he was just poor because he had a deadbeat wife, a lovely job, an idiot daughter and pornhound son......and that loving feminist chicken neighbor.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 11:37

Young Freud: Nov 26, 2006

SocketWrench posted:

Hey, one of the Bundys wasn't as much out of touch as he was just poor because he had a deadbeat wife, a lovely job, an idiot daughter and pornhound son......and that loving feminist chicken neighbor and her himbo husband albatross.

FTFY

# ? Aug 21, 2016 14:18

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

The Ape of Naples posted:

just curious. As someone in Westchester. What counts as "Southern NY"?

Orange County, we're half you guys, half Alabama

# ? Aug 21, 2016 16:39

Ran Mad Dog: Aug 15, 2006; Algeapea and noodles - I will take your udon!

We can't let those communist school administrators take away our children's precious weapons! Pulling all your kids out of public school immediately is the only remedy.

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I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

This might be good, click through to the article for more images:

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'American Malheur': Creators court publishers for Oregon standoff graphic novel

As the aftermath of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation plays out in federal court, three Portlanders want to tell the story of the 40-day Oregon standoff as a 10-episode graphic novel.

"American Malheur" is a collaboration between "Terra Tempo" creators David Shapiro and Christopher Herndon and Leah Sottile, a freelancer who's written for Vice, The Washington Post and Willamette Week.

They've got it started. Now all they need is a publisher.

Shapiro told The Oregonian/OregonLive that the project is about more than the drama that unfolded in Harney County earlier this year. Instead, he says, it takes the event and uses it to contextualize the rash of right-wing extremism that took root during the Wild West days of the 1800s and has come to a head in this year's race for the White House.

"I think it's a matter of understanding the nation's history," he said. "This kicked off 2016, which is going to be seen as a year of great change in American history."

"American Malheur" opens in the final hours of the standoff in Harney County. Initial panels illustrate David Fry's final radio conversation with federal agents before his surrender. The book then flashes back to Steens Mountain nearly 17 years earlier � the site where Dwight and Steve Hammond had committed arson to cover up a poaching expedition.

From there, Shapiro, Herndon and Sottile explore westward expansion in a 10-part saga that's equal parts history lesson and journalistic experiment. In fact, one of the things Shapiro said has made it tough to shop around to major publishers is that his story doesn't take sides.

"We took a real journalistic approach of presenting just the facts. I don't think that we were completely neutral, either," he said. "But part of the feedback we got was 'you're making them look good.'"

Biographical details about the book's cast would prove the opposite, Shapiro said. Some of the militant occupiers were known for their anti-Islamic sentiments. Still others invoked their religion as justification for the standoff.

"The character histories � they're really not that good. A lot of them come from this place of hatred and bigotry," Shapiro said. "I don't know what else to do but present it and say, 'Hey, this is a crazy segment of society and we really need to look at it.'"

The occupation, he said, is the perfect vessel to explore America's right-wing populist movement. It's an aspect of the country's culture that has long fascinated the Portland transplant.

What's most striking about the Malheur occupation is that it illuminated the struggles of a part of the country that's often left out of national conversations.

"The most unrepresented part of Oregon was in the national spotlight," Shapiro said. "And this was not an Oregon movement. It was a movement that was brought to Oregon."

He wants "American Malheur" to act as both a history lesson and an account of the Oregon standoff. Movements like this don't happen in a vacuum and Shapiro wants to help Americans understand the underlying issues that birthed the Malheur occupation.

"I would hope for a lot of moments of 'ah-ha. I didn't know that. I didn't see that,'" he said.

And even though he has experience producing his own graphic novels, he wants to hand off distribution duties to a bigger publishing house. Instead of selling in the thousands, Shapiro said he wants to reach tens of thousands.

"We need somebody with the skills of marketing," he said. "If we had an actual editor overseeing this and a marketing team pushing it out, it would go really far."

So far, he, Herndon and Sottile have sent their pitch to three firms. Two have turned it down and another is mulling it over. The three artists originally wanted to drop the first issue in early September, in the midst of the presidential election.

It doesn't look like that will happen, although Shapiro is still hoping for a big release. The graphic novel would do much to contextualize the current political climate, he said. After all, many of the occupation's supporters also back Donald Trump in the presidential race.

"When things line up like that, it's really interesting to think of it," he said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/08/american_malheur_oregon_standoff_graphic_novel.html

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Jumpingmanjim posted:

This might be good, click through to the article for more images:

http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/08/american_malheur_oregon_standoff_graphic_novel.html

# ? Aug 22, 2016 02:28

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I wonder any Son of Sam laws apply in...hm, I'm not sure whether it'd be federal or specific state jurisdictions that you'd want to check on for that.

# ? Aug 22, 2016 02:35

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Well it is not being written by any of the perpetrators, so I imagine it doesn't apply.

# ? Aug 22, 2016 02:38

Grognan: Jan 23, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

I went to Burning Man with Fiore's niece, this poo poo is surreal.

# ? Aug 22, 2016 05:16

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Grognan posted:

I went to Burning Man with Fiore's niece, this poo poo is surreal.

Now the obligatory question: what does Fiore's niece think of Fiore?

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I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

And is she hot?

# ? Aug 22, 2016 06:14

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iospace posted:

Now the obligatory question: what does Fiore's niece think of Fiore?

What do you think of your loud conservative aunt? Is there a family in America that doesn't have one?

She's probably fun to be around at times, but starts poo poo with everyone in the family and has awful political views. I bet she gives good christmas gifts.

# ? Aug 22, 2016 12:16

cumshitter: Sep 27, 2005; by Fluffdaddy

I just imagine she's fun when she stops by for Thanksgiving until someone says to get more liquor from the bureau, right under the Sodastream, and then she's off to the races and it's all down hill from there.

# ? Aug 22, 2016 14:34

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

i know a woman who was good childhood friends with of one of michele bachmann's kids. apparently michele is super duper genuinely nice irl. welp that's my story :banjo:

# ? Aug 22, 2016 21:56

cumshitter: Sep 27, 2005; by Fluffdaddy

She has terrible opinions and her husband does gay conversion therapy (for others, not on himself), but they genuinely have taken in like 17+ foster kids for brief periods of time. Like when the kid is between homes for a few months or a year and needs a home before they're placed.

I just remembered my favorite Bachmann story. She was out campaigning and she spoke at a gathering, and when asked questions about something to do with gay marriage or whatever she dodged them. So two ladies, one an ex-nun, followed her to the bathroom afterward to try and engage her in a discussion.

quote:

Suddenly, after less than a minute, Bachmann let out a shriek. "Help!" she screamed. "Help! I'm being held against my will!" Arnold, who is just over 5 feet tall, was stunned, and hurried to open the door. Bachmann bolted out and fled, crying, to an SUV outside. Then she called the police, saying, according to the police report, that she was "absolutely terrified and has never been that terrorized before as she had no idea what those two women were going to do to her." The Washington County attorney, however, declined to press charges, writing in a memo, "It seems clear from the statements given by both women that they simply wanted to discuss certain issues further with Ms. Bachmann."

Also this picture of her and her husband eating corn dogs. Her husband is just so angry at that hot dog for reminding him of the decadent, sinful burden god placed on his totally cured straight for Jesus soul.

cumshitter has issued a correction as of 22:21 on Aug 22, 2016

# ? Aug 22, 2016 22:13

SocketWrench: Jul 8, 2012; by Fritz the Horse

I dunno, I think my favorite Bachmann story is the short and simple visit to Waterloo, Iowa and announced she was proud to be there at the home town of John Wayne (Gacy, not the Duke)

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Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

I liked the time she hid in the bushes to spy on the gay rights rally.

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Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

My favorite is the time she decided not to run for reelection because the Democrat she barely beat when he had no money was challenging her again and was gonna get a bunch of funding, so she decided not to run rather than get voted out of her heavily Republican district.

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