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HorseRenoir posted:Only that's complete bullshit? Tell any black person who lived in the 60's that the Democrats haven't accomplished anything for the black community. Things aren't great today but they're demonstrably better, and the reason why things aren't great is because half of the country consists of angry white people obsessed with racial supremacy. There's a reason why blacks vote D overwhelmingly with high turnout, and it's not because they're being "tricked". The voter ID stuff in NC and other states is a sharp reminder that the GOP would roll back all CRA protections if they could.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Honestly telling black people that democrats only really give lip service to racial issues and will never truly push for real change is probably the smartest argument trump can make because it is true to an extent. Democrats could/should be better then they have been. The problem is that the person making the argument is a gravelly voice coming from under the bed at midnight on Halloween. Sure, a Republican DoJ would be investigating and sanctioning police departments, definitely both sides are equal here.
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Chokes McGee posted:Maybe we should just lock the thread in between Trump tweets, it's the only way to save us from ourselves Is it really worthwhile to lock it for 20 minutes at a time?
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Xae posted:You responded to this: You're right I missed one of a half-dozen hyperlinks buried in an article that was linked by someone else, got me. You've failed to address that your gotcha is dead wrong and it appears he's facing sanctions for lying to the court about both things, and that your characterization of an indemnification clause in his contract as irelevent legalese is loving moronic. You should maybe learn how a lawsuit works.
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Crabtree posted:Did the parents gently caress up the birth certificate? Because I've seen people have legal issues over their father being a little too drunk when he tried to spell Robert and even if everyone else was fine and dandy with it, The State can't find anyone but a Reburt Johnson. Far as I know it was fully intentional. We were just all relieved that there was a way to differentiate one of the 4 Jasons in the class without having to think it up, unlike the other 3. quote:Also I like we've reach the political state where politicians are courting Black Votes by saying "What do you have to lose". Like they of all people would forget loving slavery and what it took for it to partially end. You're just not thinking properly. You've let political correctness cloud your brain. You've got to come at this from the proper mindset. quote:“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. From that idiotic point of view, what do they have to lose? Especially when pretending to care is all you need to get some of those dumb whites who don't want to be openly racist to come back to your side.
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Pakled posted:My legal knowledge is lacking, but I've heard comments to the effect that Gawker did a poor job defending itself in court and didn't take the case very seriously until it was too late. Could a more "serious" media outlet with a competent legal team have done better? Daulerio gave sworn testimony for the trial that he would publish child pornography. The jury didn't really like that.
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Crabtree posted:Did the parents gently caress up the birth certificate? Because I've seen people have legal issues over their father being a little too drunk when he tried to spell Robert and even if everyone else was fine and dandy with it, The State can't find anyone but a Reburt Johnson. This is why I work with a guy legally named Kristpoher, the parents were super dumb and the hospital either didn't notice or care.
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So my mother just told me that she's going to a Trump rally, which will hopefully show her just how awful the scumbag really is. She also said that she doesn't like Hilary cause she's quote "not an honest person". 
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Thaddius the Large posted:This is why I work with a guy legally named Kristpoher, the parents were super dumb and the hospital either didn't notice or care. Are you sure one of his parents wasn't European?
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Dexo posted:Seriously the scary loving thing is, If that was coming out of the mouth of like Rubio, or Kasich someone who doesn't have the long history and baggage of poo poo like being a racist slumlord, and discriminating against blacks in housing. That it might actually have a serious effect. This is really the saddest type of Chicken Little'ing because it builds a narrative of "The Enemy is overwhelmingly powerful, but they just made a tiny error this time". Like the appeal of Kasich is to white middle class suburban voters. Black people are not going to go "oh hey this nice white man says Democrats are evil! Maybe he has a point!"
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I only said it is the best argument he has to make and seemed to me to be more about trying to depress turnout then anything. He wont be able to convince anyone that he cares so he is trying to convince people that Clinton doesnt either.
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Gyges posted:Are you sure one of his parents wasn't European? It's not the ph I mind, it's that they neglected to put them together.
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computer parts posted:This is really the saddest type of Chicken Little'ing because it builds a narrative of "The Enemy is overwhelmingly powerful, but they just made a tiny error this time". I'm not chicken little'ing either. I don't think any GOP member to get an appreciable amount of our vote(tho more than the 1% Trump is currently at is very much doable) unless a massive realignment occurs. It's not some super tiny error they would need to fix either as the GOP primary showed, no one who is able to spit a seemingly moderate message is able to get out of the primary with the base. I'm talking someone who appears moderate and can go semi populist to most white people and who doesn't actively piss off every minority group in the country.
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Crabtree posted:Also I like we've reach the political state where politicians are courting Black Votes by saying "What do you have to lose". Like they of all people would forget loving slavery and what it took for it to partially end. Actually, if you visit the crazy email forward thread, you'll find that Black people are responsible for slavery, that Lincoln was a Republican, and that Democrats keep Black people in a modern form of slavery by giving them welfare so they're permanently too lazy to improve themselves.
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Yeah, a unicorn. And what makes you think Rubio or Kasich could even go populist at all? The latter is as Establishment as it gets and the former is not nearly white enough.
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Dexo posted:I'm talking someone who appears moderate and can go semi populist to most white people and who doesn't actively piss off every minority group in the country. I agree the Democrats are hosed if Bill Clinton becomes a Republican
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Trabisnikof posted:I agree the Democrats are hosed if Bill Clinton becomes a Republican Clinton v Clinton 2020. There will be blood coming out of their wherevers
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happyhippy posted:I bet you Trump forgot about Poland. Nah, he considers it property of Russia.
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computer parts posted:This is really the saddest type of Chicken Little'ing because it builds a narrative of "The Enemy is overwhelmingly powerful, but they just made a tiny error this time". I don't think it's chicken little'ing to say that that particular appeal would work better if it was made by someone who wasn't Donald loving Trump, as long as you are limiting your appraisal of "work better" to be the ~10% of the African-American vote Bush got.
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Wasn't "The Democratic Party mostly pays lip service to the Black community instead of real economic progress" basically Bernie Sanders' appeal to black voters? If it didn't work for him, why would it work for Kasich?
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I never really thought about how black people get kind of doubly disenchanted with voting. Not only are the state governments (and sometimes the feds) always trying to make it harder, even if they can successfully cast a ballot, they really have only one choice. Even if they disagree with a Democratic candidate on abortion, same-sex marriage, or any number of other issues, the GOP is actively trying to harm their entire race. Obviously, not all black people see it that way, but it seems obvious that a majority do, at bare minimum. I can see how it would be a possibly subconscious disincentive to go and vote. Or maybe I'm just a white guy talking out of his rear end, idk but it's pretty likely
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There's simply no way for any politician, populist or otherwise, who wants to appeal to most white people to not embrace systemic racism and the police state on a not unsubtle level Look at how white people vote. Until GenX dies off, white people as a bloc will always be more like Trump than unlike him
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Actually, if you visit the crazy email forward thread, you'll find that Black people are responsible for slavery, that Lincoln was a Republican, and that Democrats keep Black people in a modern form of slavery by giving them welfare so they're permanently too lazy to improve themselves. I like the idea that welfare is slavery as if getting paid to not work and being forced to work for free weren't the exact opposite things.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Honestly telling black people that democrats only really give lip service to racial issues and will never truly push for real change is probably the smartest argument trump can make because it is true to an extent. Democrats could/should be better then they have been. The problem is that the person making the argument is a gravelly voice coming from under the bed at midnight on Halloween. Republicans and various other dumb white people have been saying that poo poo for years and for some odd reason black people haven't really responded positively. Doubtful Trump of all people will be the one to finally break through.
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Epic High Five posted:There's simply no way for any politician, populist or otherwise, who wants to appeal to most white people to not embrace systemic racism and the police state on a not unsubtle level Basically the country will not be normal until the next centennial.
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Nonsense posted:Basically the country will not be normal until the next centennial. 2nd half of GenX isn't so bad IIRC, so it won't be that long. At the very least whites are losing their majority fast enough that we probably won't actually have to wait until the last GenXer kicks it
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BUSH 2112 posted:I never really thought about how black people get kind of doubly disenchanted with voting. Not only are the state governments (and sometimes the feds) always trying to make it harder, even if they can successfully cast a ballot, they really have only one choice. Even if they disagree with a Democratic candidate on abortion, same-sex marriage, or any number of other issues, the GOP is actively trying to harm their entire race. Obviously, not all black people see it that way, but it seems obvious that a majority do, at bare minimum. I can see how it would be a possibly subconscious disincentive to go and vote. This is the quandary facing a lot of ethnic and religious minorities - many of them trend strongly socially conservative, and either would be or actively were reliable GOP voting blocs if it weren't for how xenophobic the GOP has gotten. Muslims are a particularly striking example: before 9/11, American Muslims voted for the GOP upwards of 90%. They were well-educated, often affluent, and very socially conservative. Natural Republican voters. Then half the country started baying for their blood and American Muslims are now 90%+ voters for the Democrats.
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Jarmak posted:You're right I missed one of a half-dozen hyperlinks buried in an article that was linked by someone else, got me. You are continuing to spread misinformation. You are also now blatantly straw manning. You are applauding trying to deny someone the right to council. All to attack Freedom of the Press. Good work buddy. Show us on the doll where the Bad Gawker touched you.
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Epic High Five posted:2nd half of GenX isn't so bad IIRC, so it won't be that long. At the very least whites are losing their majority fast enough that we probably won't actually have to wait until the last GenXer kicks it Trump certainly is a scary test of white populist politics.
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Epic High Five posted:There's simply no way for any politician, populist or otherwise, who wants to appeal to most white people to not embrace systemic racism and the police state on a not unsubtle level Ouch dude, gen X aren't boomers
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Precambrian posted:Wasn't "The Democratic Party mostly pays lip service to the Black community instead of real economic progress" basically Bernie Sanders' appeal to black voters? If it didn't work for him, why would it work for Kasich? Ironically, Sanders was mostly paying lip service to the Black community when he made those comments. Clinton had spent a career working with and advocating for African Americans, it turns out that you can't undo all of that by just saying "but she's actually bad!"
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Epic High Five posted:2nd half of GenX isn't so bad IIRC, so it won't be that long. At the very least whites are losing their majority fast enough that we probably won't actually have to wait until the last GenXer kicks it GenX is also way smaller than either the Baby Boomers or the Millennials. Probably by the time all the Silent Generation is gone enough Boomers will have also permanently stopped voting for us to get down to business. Of course that means the parties are going to realign and lord help us if we get a socially conservative fiscally liberal vs socially liberal fiscally conservative dichotomy.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ouch dude, gen X aren't boomers A lot of them are worse!
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QuarkJets posted:Ironically, Sanders was mostly paying lip service to the Black community when he made those comments. Clinton had spent a career working with and advocating for African Americans, it turns out that you can't undo all of that by just saying "but she's actually bad!" It's almost like not everyone buys into the propaganda. Which of course somehow makes them the 'dumb voters' according to some groups.
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Xae posted:You are continuing to spread misinformation. I'm not spreading any misinformation. Saying you aren't addressing points isn't even structurally possible to pass as a strawman. There's no right to counsel in civil cases. This has nothing to do with the first amendment. Is this the point where you just throw a temper tantrum and post garbage ad-homs because you don't actually have any idea what you're talking about?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ouch dude, gen X aren't boomers The only GenX presidential candidates that we saw this year were all GOPers. Even in my local district, all of the left-leaning city/county/state positions are either Boomers or Millenials. GenXers are only appearing on the conservative tickets, as far as I can see. My theory is that Reaganism did a serious number on GenX and pushed that generation further to the right than average, and the leftists in that generation are mostly introspective weirdos who have already surrendered the fight (this philosophy embodies the culture that GenXers developed throughout the 90s). So yes, I agree with Epic High Five: GenX is just as bad as the boomers
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Taerkar posted:It's almost like not everyone buys into the propaganda. Which of course somehow makes them the 'dumb voters' according to some groups. It's the same tone-deaf message that we saw the GOP pushing after Obama was first elected. "Idiot blocks just vote on racial lines" is going to be a hard message to push when similar numbers turn out for Clinton
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