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Out of curiosity, what do the people of Burkina Faso think of Thomas Sankara?
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 09:18 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 00:47 |
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I imagine he's seen a bit like Americans see Washington, or the French see De Gaulle.
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 11:09 |
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He came to power in a palace coup decades after independence, reigned 4 years, and was killed in another palace coup. Just like Washington!
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 12:10 |
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snergle posted:do people just vote for the anc because they were the party most associated with ending apartheid? or are they more of the peoples action party of south africa? The majority of it is still blind loyalty although people are starting to get sick of the constant lies and corruption, although many are looking towards the EFF instead which is rather problematic. The ANC also spreads a lot of misinformation and propaganda and implies that the DA will reinstate apartheid and you can't trust them. Still, with seeing Pretoria being burned recently, we've seen that it's not just party affiliation but also ethnicity that needs to be considered.
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 13:16 |
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Protests and strikes in Zimbabwe over the lovely economy and civil servants not being paid. Wonder if anything will come from this (no)
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 18:24 |
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I mean, Thomas Sankara is always said to be the "good" Communist who helped his people and actually made the country a better place through socialism. I wonder how accurate that is.Original_Z posted:The majority of it is still blind loyalty although people are starting to get sick of the constant lies and corruption, although many are looking towards the EFF instead which is rather problematic. The ANC also spreads a lot of misinformation and propaganda and implies that the DA will reinstate apartheid and you can't trust them. I was originally excited to hear that a Socialist party was growing in South Africa. Then I got brief glimpse of them and their leader and the guy REEKED of Chavismo. How correct am I? punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:I mean, Thomas Sankara is always said to be the "good" Communist who helped his people and actually made the country a better place through socialism. I wonder how accurate that is. Malema is pretty much an opportunistic shithead, who cares about poverty as much as how many votes it will get him. He will say anything to seem like the person who will take people away from the shittiness that the ANC have created, but will most likely just keep the gravy trains rolling. As for support of ANC, there is still a lot of blind following going on, but what is interesting is that you are getting a generation who never grew up under Apartheid but instead under ANC rule asking "what have you done for me?" You can see it with student protests and with the way people are getting fed up with the ANC and threatening to put their votes elsewhere unless the ANC stops acting like royal arseholes. Unfortunately it's these same voters the EFF targets.
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 23:38 |
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Since this thread is back, I'm curious about a topic that got briefly discussed in chat thread: what's going on right now with Sudan and South Sudan?Jagchosis posted:Oddly enough LRA is in Sudan occupied south Sudan making money poaching elephants kustomkarkommando posted:There's a civil war currently in "restive peace" phase. Over 100,000 killed in 2 years.
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 23:53 |
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fade5 posted:A quick "how the gently caress did we get to this point" would be very helpful, I know basically nothing about Sudan/South Sudan other than the split that happened in 2011 and that there's been fighting basically ever since. I did a write up on the basic background to the current spate of fighting on page one of this thread. The negotiated peace has roughly held but pretty much everyone thinks it's going to collapse, it took months to negotiate the return of the leader of the SLPA-IO to the capital and political progress is pretty much no-existant - Kiir flouted the terms of the peace deal by completely redrawing the map of states which threw the entire local level power sharing scheme that was carefully and slowly negotiated out of the window. Here's a recent statement from the International Crisis Group with more detail for the moment: International Crisis Group posted:The agreement successfully enabled the return of Riek Machar, leader of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army-In Opposition (SPLA-IO), to Juba and the subsequent formation of the Transitional Government of National Unity in April. However, the formerly warring parties are now flouting it and increasingly preparing for widespread conflict. Implementation is stalled and fighting is already proliferating around the country. Unless something is done, it is a matter of only a little time before there is a return to war, and the agreement collapses.
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# ? Jul 7, 2016 00:27 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:I did a write up on the basic background to the current spate of fighting on page one of this thread.
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# ? Jul 7, 2016 00:48 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:I did a write up on the basic background to the current spate of fighting on page one of this thread. My favorite of these new states is the Lol, South Sudan Anyway Vice did as Vice do and made a couple short form documentaries on it if you want to watch those http://www.vice.com/video/saving-south-sudan-full-length https://news.vice.com/video/ambushed-in-south-sudan-full-length As for my chat thread comment about LRA operating in South Sudan, they're trading ivory with the (north) Sudanese government in an area it controls called Kafia Kingi in Lol, according to defectors. IIRC Sudan has a history of working with the LRA
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# ? Jul 7, 2016 15:32 |
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So poo poo has once again thoroughly hit the fan in Juba. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36758013 On Friday there was a lot of heavy fighting where 150 people were killed, and Machar and Kiir put forth a public effort to tamp things down. Now Machar is saying that Kiir has no interest in peace. It doesn't seem like there's a way back from the precipice this time.
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# ? Jul 10, 2016 15:28 |
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Big hit for ANC in the municipal elections in South Africa. Looks like they may lose control of most of the major metropolitan areas, depending on how the coalitions play out. They were hit from both the right (DA) and the left (EFF).
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# ? Aug 7, 2016 00:01 |
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Can anyone recommend a good history of South Africa? I read R.W. Johnson's South Africa's Brave New World: The Beloved Country Since the End of Apartheid, and, while it was quite interesting and illuminating, the author's opinions dripped off each and every page (he loving hates the ANC, Mbeki, and Zuma, not that he doesn't have well cited reasons). Anything that went a little further back than 1994 would be especially good. History books, memoirs, websites, whatever. Same with Zimbabwe/Rhodesia. After finishing Don't Lets Go to the Dogs Tonight, I'm in the mood for African history.
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# ? Aug 7, 2016 01:01 |
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For Post-Rhodesia Zimbabwe I would recommend The Struggle Continues: 50 Years of Tyranny in Zimbabwe by David Coltart, seeing as I have just bought it myself.
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# ? Aug 7, 2016 15:20 |
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Martin Meredith's Diamonds, Gold and War is a snappy pop read and covers from the Kimberley Diamond Rush to Union, Bill Nasson's The War for South Africa/The Boer War is specifically good for the second boer war For later stuff I would recommend Saul Dubow's Apartheid: 1948-1994 and especially Stephen Ellis' External Mission which covers the ANC in exile and contains a hell of a lot of original research
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# ? Aug 7, 2016 15:43 |
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I feel like we need a separate Nigerian, South African and Zimbabwe thread here. We should also see if any natives from those countries post on these forums so we can have as much endemic information as in the Venezuela Thread.
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# ? Aug 8, 2016 06:45 |
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Under The Skin by David Caute is a really fascinating read about the goings-on in Rhodesia from UDI to '80. I've read it twice.
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# ? Aug 8, 2016 14:40 |
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Grouchio posted:I feel like we need a separate Nigerian, South African and Zimbabwe thread here. We should also see if any natives from those countries post on these forums so we can have as much endemic information as in the Venezuela Thread. almost no one posts in this thread as is grouchio
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# ? Aug 8, 2016 19:24 |
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Hey, here's a really terrible (content-wise) articleRampaging South Sudan Troops Raped Foreigners, Killed Local posted:... Won't quote any more here, it's all horrible, but seriously what the flying gently caress. Oh what the heck quote:From the start of the attack, those inside the Terrain compound sent messages pleading for help by text and Facebook messages and emails. WHAT THE FLYING gently caress.
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# ? Aug 15, 2016 15:33 |
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I don't know why I read these threads
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# ? Aug 15, 2016 16:15 |
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When all of those parties are refusing to intervene or comment, there's probably a reason for it that the article isn't sharing. I expect Trump to bring this up in a couple weeks when it finally reaches him, though. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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Mozi posted:Hey, here's a really terrible (content-wise) article You work in a conflict zone in Africa, getting killed or raped or tortured is a real risk. The local embassy or the UN is not going to get involved because that opens an even bigger can of worms.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 16:58 |
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I too lack basic human empathy.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:07 |
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Xerxes17 posted:I too lack basic human empathy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:34 |
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Call me crazy but I think gang rape is pretty bad regardless of the race of the victims. Why is protecting aid workers not a job for the UN peacekeeping forces? Ban Ki Moon does not share your opinion, thank God. quote:A spokesman for the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon said: "The Secretary-General is alarmed by the preliminary findings of a fact finding investigation by the United Nations Mission in South Sudan (UNMISS) into the attack on Hotel Terrain in Juba on 11 July, in which one person was killed and several civilians were raped and brutally beaten by men in uniform.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:57 |
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King Mswati is chairing the SADC now. Probably inevitable and unimportant but still kinda sad to see. He's got to be the most secure dictator in Africa, just because of how tight his grip is on the state and justice system.
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 10:32 |
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There's also a slightly surreal Asian immigrant scare, I can't say I know enough to make judgements though. http://www.observer.org.sz/news/81700-angry-mps-ban-entry-of-asians-into-the-country.html quote:A livid Lobamba Lomdzala MP Marwick Khumalo instructed Home Affairs Minister Princess Tsandzile to ensure that no Asian entered the country.
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 10:40 |
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What does Asian mean in this context? Indian subcontinent or East Asia? I didn't know people immigrated to Swaziland
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 10:47 |
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here's your cheery Congo update http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/scores-hacked-death-machete-attack-dr-congo-160814133550565.html quote:At least 64 people have been killed in northeastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) in an attack carried out by suspected rebels. There have been protests all week in the Kivus, of course tinged with anti-Kabila sentiment. In Goma, the protesters reportedly shot a police officer with his own weapon, but the violence hasn't spiraled out of control.
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 10:50 |
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Kurtofan posted:What does Asian mean in this context? Indian subcontinent or East Asia? Indian, mainly shopkeepers I suspect despite claims that they are being brought in as slave labour. Some of the articles about them are quite racist.
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 11:06 |
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pointsofdata posted:Indian, mainly shopkeepers I suspect despite claims that they are being brought in as slave labour. Some of the articles about them are quite racist. Maybe also Chinese workers. When China does aid projects/build infrastructure for their companies in Africa, they routinely bring in nothing but Chinese workers to build it. They don't hire any local labor or companies, which pisses the locals off.
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 14:38 |
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So no information about how Africans see Thomas Sankara's rule on Burkina Faso?
punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Aug 21, 2016 |
# ? Aug 21, 2016 14:58 |
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My brother is currently over there, supervising some big infrastructure project, I could try asking him but I don't think he has a lot of free time to chat up with people.
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Slaan posted:Maybe also Chinese workers. When China does aid projects/build infrastructure for their companies in Africa, they routinely bring in nothing but Chinese workers to build it. They don't hire any local labor or companies, which pisses the locals off. http://www.observer.org.sz/features/82094-sd-can%E2%80%99t-stand-changing-those-stinking-nappies-of-her-asian-baby.html Almost all the references in articles such as this are to Indian subcontinent ethnicities, except for a solitary reference to flying to guangdong, e.g. quote:
quote:But as you know all Indians they hardly intermarry let alone a businessman of Jaffer stature giving his daughter to Amin the Ugandan. Additionally, Swaziland has ties to Taiwan rather than mainland China, and has little to interest China. Most(?) of its development aid that isn't from the west is from south Africa via some sort of apartheid era framework, which I can't seem to find much evidence of online As a side note, it really is amazing how universal the language of racism is. It's exactly the same "concerns" as we see in the west, just less well hidden. distortion park fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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In Nigeria I experienced a strongly anti-Chinese sentiment specifically, people were totally cool with Indians. Turns out Chinese companies had a habit of half-finishing their projects, and I had a half-dozen railroads pointed out to me that were technically under construction but were already overgrown. One train was recently completed though, and seems to be a successful project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9HPgXoscY A colleague told me the tickets are like two bucks? Seems fantastic.
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 15:42 |
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Aliquid posted:In Nigeria I experienced a strongly anti-Chinese sentiment specifically, people were totally cool with Indians. Turns out Chinese companies had a habit of half-finishing their projects, and I had a half-dozen railroads pointed out to me that were technically under construction but were already overgrown. Anyway yeah, there seems to be quite a bit of animosity between African and Chinese workers, in particular, thanks to China's attempts at imperialism. Check this out for some example of casual racism thrown around here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 16:43 |
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Grouchio posted:I feel like we need a separate Nigerian, South African and Zimbabwe thread here. We should also see if any natives from those countries post on these forums so we can have as much endemic information as in the Venezuela Thread. There's a (somewhat dormant and possibly archived) South African thread, if you're interested. I might be persuaded to update the OP. There've been some pretty interesting developments over the past year.
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# ? Aug 21, 2016 20:33 |
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Lead out in cuffs posted:There's a (somewhat dormant and possibly archived) South African thread, if you're interested. I might be persuaded to update the OP. There've been some pretty interesting developments over the past year.
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Grouchio posted:I would like to know if there are any articles/books regarding the average life of an upper middle class man in South Africa, like with David Coltart in Zimbabwe. Have you tried the Life&Style section of the Sunday Times and/or various men's magazines? http://www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/ http://www.mh.co.za/ http://www.samen.co.za/ http://gq.co.za/ Also, why? E: I'm kinda assuming that by naming David Coltart you're interested in how rich white people live as a privileged minority in a majority-black country, which those links should give some flavour of. I'm just curious as to why you care. Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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