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Fluffdaddy posted:We will only be welcome on the sports forums and in the Hip Hop NMD megathread Only certain parts of the sports forum.
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nutranurse posted:Dude you keep saying this but never elaborating. Except I wasn't saying you weren't "black enough" to have this discussion. I said you weren't black AT ALL and were faking online, which white people do constantly on forums (seriously, go to the coli, it used to happen every month like clockwork). So once again, you misunderstood the paper bag test and kept trying to twist it to fit a narrative, much like the posters here, which made me bring whether you were black at all into question. Now I just see you're just a dude who softshoes online. Fluffdaddy posted:He is one of these young guys who got into the movement a few minutes ago and think they loving know everything. They are the type that will disrespect the leadership from 20-30 years ago and be completely ignorant of anything outside of their stupid poo poo bubble. Hey, so you're more than welcome to go gently caress yourself, considering I have 4 generations of black people in my family that have fought for black rights. You're just a cornball on the Internet trying to score points with white people. I put my body and life at risk for my people, you just post on this forum about how "they aren't doing it right and Id get up and do something but wah wah". You're worse than the white folks because people like you actively try to sabotage movements by attempting to be a "credible" voice that it's okay to hate black movements. You aren't poo poo, never will be poo poo, and you sound lowkey jealous fam.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:19
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zoux posted:Sure we could talk about racism. i bet they dont tip citizens either
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Aug 22, 2016 21:19
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zoux posted:Sure we could talk about racism. Does she pass the bag test? can we correct for lighting?
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Aug 22, 2016 21:19
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For real it's an interesting conversation and conflict happening ITT but again I'm white as hell and wouldn't begin to try to judge the experience of a minority in racist rear end America. So instead I'll relate on a level I can and that's through pop culture and jokes.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:19
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Dexo posted:I mean he's sorta right that a Paper Bag test is a test that was mostly used to check if someone was "too black" for *insert group, event etc etc here*. It wasn't really to check blackness at all. If you are black, it becomes pretty obvious early on in life that you are infact black, so a test for that wouldn't really exist. Right, this is the idea of colorism. The problem is that even with colorism, the one-drop rule has long implied that blackness is binary. That's where the tragic mulatto story comes in, and the whole idea of passing being desirable. And then you had the response to that thinking with black is beautiful, and so on. The dark side of that mindset comes in reduction of the black experience down into essentialism, and then basically, we end up fighting each other. This is really what I mean by how living in a sea of white supremacy has messed us up.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:19
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Fluffdaddy posted:Don't worry, they will probably just make another thread and leave us in here without any infrastructure. We will, but then we'll make that other thread a copy of what you said and claim it's honoring your history while getting rich off it.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:19
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gfsincere posted:Except I wasn't saying you weren't "black enough" to have this discussion. I said you weren't black AT ALL and were faking online, which white people do constantly on forums (seriously, go to the coli, it used to happen every month like clockwork). Nice Meltdown.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:20
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Dexo posted:Yes. It was fairly common in Black Sororities and fraternities. Fun evening as in popping a blood vessel? Also god drat that is awful. People are awful. Also I am sorry for being seen as trying to stifle black people discussing things with other black people. I was just getting annoyed at all the dumb insults flying around, it didn't seem productive.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:20
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Please don't post pictures of yourselfs loll
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Aug 22, 2016 21:20
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:We told you that the actual science said you were wrong. That's when we all became klansmen and sellouts, apparently. Except that's not what happened, but okay. I said I disagreed, and the posters who kept coming with stupid rear end strawmen to detail I called klansmen, and the black dude getting cosigned by said racists I called a sellout. But rewrite things however you like, we live in a post facts world.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:21
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nutranurse posted:Colloquially it's said to originate among black fraternities/sororities as a way to keep darker black people from being members. Or at least that's what I learned! Colorism is so drat prevalent still. My little sister is darker than I and the way people treated us differently growing up taught me a lot about it. She used to say that wished she was lightskinned so she could be considered pretty. As I got older one thing I hate the most is hearing "You're pretty for a black girl". It's hosed up on so many levels.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:22
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WE B Bourgeois posted:Please don't post pictures of yourselfs loll They're trying to get AA to pay attention to the thread.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:22
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GFsincere, can you acknowledge that you were wrong about gfsincere posted:white posters kept making the strawmen that I said it was good or provide an example?
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Aug 22, 2016 21:22
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gfsincere posted:Except that's not what happened, but okay. I said I disagreed, and the posters who kept coming with stupid rear end strawmen to detail I called klansmen, and the black dude getting cosigned by said racists I called a sellout. But rewrite things however you like, we live in a post facts world. sometimes there are facts, and in this case the facts disagree with your statement re: selective breeding in african american populations
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Aug 22, 2016 21:23
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gfsincere posted:Hey, so you're more than welcome to go gently caress yourself, considering I have 4 generations of black people in my family that have fought for black rights. You're just a cornball on the Internet trying to score points with white people. I put my body and life at risk for my people, you just post on this forum about how "they aren't doing it right and Id get up and do something but wah wah". You're worse than the white folks because people like you actively try to sabotage movements by attempting to be a "credible" voice that it's okay to hate black movements. lol just look at all the assumptions here look at it
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Aug 22, 2016 21:23
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Koalas March posted:Colorism is so drat prevalent still. My little sister is darker than I and the way people treated us differently growing up taught me a lot about it. She used to say that wished she was lightskinned so she could be considered pretty. As I got older one thing I hate the most is hearing "You're pretty for a black girl". It's hosed up on so many levels. My 11 year old sister has a really close friend who once told her "I wish I was whiter like you so I could have pretty hair." It was one of the most depressing things I've ever heard. 
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Aug 22, 2016 21:23
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Berke Negri posted:If I may recommend, dadchat is always open for lengthy discussions of race issues, sobriety not a hard requirement. hell it's not even recommended
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Aug 22, 2016 21:24
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Koalas March posted:Colorism is so drat prevalent still. My little sister is darker than I and the way people treated us differently growing up taught me a lot about it. She used to say that wished she was lightskinned so she could be considered pretty. As I got older one thing I hate the most is hearing "You're pretty for a black girl". It's hosed up on so many levels. Yea, I am pretty light skinned, so I got to be friends with the little white girls, but still too dark to be brought home. But our experiences don't count because we didn't march in Ferguson for youtube.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:24
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foobardog posted:Right, this is the idea of colorism. The problem is that even with colorism, the one-drop rule has long implied that blackness is binary. That's where the tragic mulatto story comes in, and the whole idea of passing being desirable. And then you had the response to that thinking with black is beautiful, and so on. The dark side of that mindset comes in reduction of the black experience down into essentialism, and then basically, we end up fighting each other. This is really what I mean by how living in a sea of white supremacy has messed us up. But I never accused him of misunderstanding the black experience because he wasn't dark enough, I said he misunderstood it because he's a Jamaican immigrant and as such doesn't have the same experiences as those who hail from the legacy of American slavery. I didn't say that was a bad or a good thing, just a thing. He kept wanting to fight it as if going to the museum is the same as living it. So I don't even know where this line of argument came up or how it got attached to me when I literally never made that argument. I made the argument that he was an online Rachel Dolezal, which is a completely different accusation.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:25
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gfsincere posted:Except that's not what happened, but okay. I said I disagreed, and the posters who kept coming with stupid rear end strawmen to detail I called klansmen, and the black dude getting cosigned by said racists I called a sellout. But rewrite things however you like, we live in a post facts world. You're conflating people saying you were wrong about the science of genetics and how it works, with Amergin. A known lovely troll. I think you need to a very deep breath and step away from the keyboard. Maybe go get a soda or something.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:25
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I am glad this discussion is happening. Truth. Some of us need good examples here and there. Sharkie posted:Yeah the conversation among black posters in this thread has been interesting but the white guys coming in to roll their eyes at it because it's about black stuff or use it as an excuse to get it side shots at BLM have been pretty bad. Wait what? I missed that one.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:25
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I'm not sure why genetics is the science people think they can common sense their way through, but here we are. The amount of migration (flow of genes) between the populations involved would preclude any meaningful genetic differentiation. The time frame in terms of generations is quite short, but even it it was thousands of years, the interbreeding between these groups, which we know was very common, would thwart any eugenic effort that there may have been.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:25
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Koalas March posted:Colorism is so drat prevalent still. My little sister is darker than I and the way people treated us differently growing up taught me a lot about it. She used to say that wished she was lightskinned so she could be considered pretty. As I got older one thing I hate the most is hearing "You're pretty for a black girl". It's hosed up on so many levels. The paper bag test was (and according to my mother still is) used for AKAs at some schools in the south.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:25
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You're conflating people saying you were wrong about the science of genetics and how it works, with Amergin. A known lovely troll. I think you need to a very deep breath and step away from the keyboard. Maybe go get a soda or something. He misunderstood the phrase "good science" and hasn't been able to let go of it since.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:25
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gfsincere posted:But I never accused him of misunderstanding the black experience because he wasn't dark enough, I said he misunderstood it because he's a Jamaican immigrant and as such doesn't have the same experiences as those who hail from the legacy of American slavery. I didn't say that was a bad or a good thing, just a thing. He kept wanting to fight it as if going to the museum is the same as living it. So I don't even know where this line of argument came up or how it got attached to me when I literally never made that argument. I made the argument that he was an online Rachel Dolezal, which is a completely different accusation. Except Jamaica has the same history of Chattel slavery that we do. Do you think them black folks swam over there? The gently caress are you on about?
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Aug 22, 2016 21:26
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Nevvy Z posted:This never happened. You misread the poster. Except it did and I quoted it, but okay. Keep on with the historical rewrites.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:26
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Fluffdaddy posted:Except Jamaica has the same history of Chattel slavery that we do. Do you think them black folks swam over there? The gently caress are you on about? So does parts of Africa! Guess that makes all of our experiences exactly the same then!
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Aug 22, 2016 21:27
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gfsincere posted:Except it did and I quoted it, but okay. I was the one who used that phrase. By good science I meant "science that is well-founded" not "science that is morally just." It is not an uncommon phrase and I was not aware you would misunderstand it so drastically so for that I apologize.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:28
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ImpAtom posted:My 11 year old sister has a really close friend who once told her "I wish I was whiter like you so I could have pretty hair." I had a friend in kindergarten who was convinced he would be white when he got older because his palms already were and looking back that was real hosed up who told that kid that?
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Aug 22, 2016 21:28
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gfsincere posted:Except that's not what happened, but okay. I said I disagreed, and the posters who kept coming with stupid rear end strawmen to detail I called klansmen, and the black dude getting cosigned by said racists I called a sellout. But rewrite things however you like, we live in a post facts world. Yes, we got it. You call every argument you don't like a strawman, every white person you don't like a klansman, and every black person you don't like a sellout. I, in turn, call you a dumbass.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:28
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SquadronROE posted:Fun evening as in popping a blood vessel? Also god drat that is awful. People are awful. Also I am sorry for being seen as trying to stifle black people discussing things with other black people. I was just getting annoyed at all the dumb insults flying around, it didn't seem productive. I mean it's interesting if you like learning things. It's lovely as hell in practice though.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:28
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I apologize for sticking my white rear end where it doesn't belong, but you guys have literally been arguing in circles with each other for the past 10 pages. It's like Groundhog Day at the top of each page. Maybe a break would be good for everyone?
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Aug 22, 2016 21:29
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gfsincere posted:But I never accused him of misunderstanding the black experience because he wasn't dark enough, I said he misunderstood it because he's a Jamaican immigrant and as such doesn't have the same experiences as those who hail from the legacy of American slavery. I didn't say that was a bad or a good thing, just a thing. gfsincere posted:poo poo like this is why black Americans don't like black immigrants on the highest of keys. It's really not the goddamn same. You think your immigrant experience adds up to growing up in the projects of Chicago with a grandmother who was a black panther, and you're displaying all of the traits we list when we encounter y'all. You act like you know everything about our experience without living none of it and you come off just as hosed up as the white people that we complain about, especially with that snide rear end "you think we don't have empathy" comment, which oddly enough your posts make it seem like you lack all of it, including any sort of tact, because you're def breaking rule number 1 right now and that's how I know you and I aren't in the same group. Nope no implicitly negative statements in here no sir
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Aug 22, 2016 21:30
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Fluffdaddy posted:Nice Meltdown. You know what, this is all my fault. My bad for thinking I could have a productive conversation with someone from Alabama. I'm sure you have a cousin to gently caress somewhere.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:30
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Acinonyx posted:I'm not sure why genetics is the science people think they can common sense their way through, but here we are. The amount of migration (flow of genes) between the populations involved would preclude any meaningful genetic differentiation. The time frame in terms of generations is quite short, but even it it was thousands of years, the interbreeding between these groups, which we know was very common, would thwart any eugenic effort that there may have been. Things like education and economics are both complex and boring, and often don't really present any good "reason" why things are the way they are.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:30
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gfsincere posted:Hey, so you're more than welcome to go gently caress yourself, considering I have 4 generations of black people in my family that have fought for black rights. You're just a cornball on the Internet trying to score points with white people. I put my body and life at risk for my people, you just post on this forum about how "they aren't doing it right and Id get up and do something but wah wah". You're worse than the white folks because people like you actively try to sabotage movements by attempting to be a "credible" voice that it's okay to hate black movements. If black people cannot have an open discussion on very real political differences among ourselves, and are always going to have to be deferential to black movements over all else, we are neutering ourselves. It'd be like saying because you support animal welfare, it's best not to complain about how lovely PETA is.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:30
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zoux posted:I honestly dunno if they are trying to tack back to the center to pick up moderates and just hoping that their base is too far in to back out or if they are intentionally trying to create confusion around this issue. anyone who has a problem with it can go gently caress themselves since one of the few good things on this stupid internet is you can learn a lot about groups of people 20 years ago would be mostly walled off from each other.
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Aug 22, 2016 21:30
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As a white guy I'd really love to wander in to this conversation but like a vampire I cannot do so without an invititation
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gfsincere posted:So does parts of Africa! Guess that makes all of our experiences exactly the same then! It gives us similar perspective that can be shared. Just like being black in the south is unique to being black in a northern inner city. Our experiences are all unique, but we still can offer something to the conversation of the overall black american experience. I mean, I've picked cotton and lived in the south my entire life. I don't know poo poo about urban black folks. But I know our struggle is similar, and can empathize. But here you are, trying to be the one true voice of blackdom, while going on about eugenics when you are completely 100% wrong about the subject.
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