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So wouldn't the disaster of this Chittagong invasion have gotten some Japanese general shot IRL?
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Drone posted:So wouldn't the disaster of this Chittagong invasion have gotten some Japanese general shot IRL? The staging HQ just wouldn't tell anybody about it until some paper pusher accidentally found documents relating to it in the archives in 1944.
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Aug 20, 2016 12:59
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Well. things ALMOST got very expensive there.
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Aug 20, 2016 13:34
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Believe it or not, the real life invasion of India was an even bigger clusterfuck. lack of supplies, preparation, anti tank guns, bad leadership, all contributed to a good majority of the invasion force dying of sickness or starvation.
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Aug 20, 2016 14:21
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Grey is overachieving. Get into character, Grey, the Japanese are supposed to be non-stop disasters! Where's Midway? And you're doing well in China!
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Aug 20, 2016 15:32
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He's not losing enough warships so he has to burn some manpower points to keep things interesting. The drama bomb is always effective.
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Aug 20, 2016 15:34
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   The enemy bombers go after our ground forces – causing no real damage.  Chittagong has stalemated for now.   A blink and you'll miss it day – the enemy only put a few planes out, and they did nothing interesting.  Of course, we still lose some ships. And that Dutch sub seems optimistic.
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Aug 20, 2016 18:42
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Look, the Submarine CLEARLY went underwater
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Aug 20, 2016 18:47
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   Sub vs Sub – shame it doesn't come to anything.   We start to see bombers hitting ground targets here as well.  Another empty base is dealt with.  Another small advance today.  Damaged ships continue to sink.
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Aug 21, 2016 20:04
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22 points! Can't be many seaplane tenders around. What was it doing in an invasion force? 
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Aug 21, 2016 20:30
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Luganville's on a tiny island somewhere in the South Pacific. It was probably tending scout seaplanes until it got B17'd
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Aug 21, 2016 20:46
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I originally wanted to do a better post with fancy pictures and everything for this, but got caught at work late, so this will have to do: A friend of mine is on the crew running a submersible dive on the wreck of the U.S.S Independence, starting at 7 pm ET (4 pm Pacific Time, or basically now.) You can find the stream here: http://nautiluslive.org/
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Aug 22, 2016 23:56
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Log082 posted:I originally wanted to do a better post with fancy pictures and everything for this, but got caught at work late, so this will have to do: Thanks for this, it's really cool. They just made contact with the wreck. EDIT: They even found a Hellcat they weren't sure was there when the ship was scuttled.  
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Aug 23, 2016 01:02
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Jaramin posted:Thanks for this, it's really cool. They just made contact with the wreck. My friend used to play Eve. I'm not saying anyone SHOULD sneak a goonfleet reference into a question to gently caress with him, but... Actual non-stupid-joke edit: It's pretty cool how they're referencing the atomic bomb damage photos to what they're seeing from the submersible. I can barely tell what I'm looking at, but they seem to know pretty well. Log082 fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 01:17
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Ooooh, there's a Hellcat in a hole in an aircraft carrier at the bottom of the sea o/~
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Aug 23, 2016 03:42
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Jaramin posted:
The weird thing is that they were expecting to find a HellDIVER, not a Hellcat.
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Aug 23, 2016 03:50
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  We begin unloading more support and supplies at Akyab. We of course get bombed.  Not much happened today, but the massed Allied bombing has caused several of their planes to crash. I have decided to abandon Midway for Fiji. This will mean some replanning, but I can use the time to get a few more units in place. This may well be a harder fight, but its worth a lot more points. The Butai's will conduct a raid to see what forces they have there.  The slow strangulation continues.
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Aug 23, 2016 05:17
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So how many points of merchant marine does Japan start with, roughly speaking?
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Aug 23, 2016 05:34
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I'll let you know when I've lost them all!
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Aug 23, 2016 06:13
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Did the Japanese put any effort into expanding their merchant navy before 1941 to actually be able to use all the resources and territory they planned on grabbing ? Or did the leadership consider those ugly floating boxes a waste of shipyards that should be building sleek weapons of war ?
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Aug 23, 2016 06:24
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I forgot all about this restarting this (last) year! Just did a lot of catching up. Since my lucky ship (The I-168, destroyer of the Yorktown) from last time was already claimed, can I take its infinitely unluckier sister ship, the SS I-73 (The first Japanese warship sunk by a US sub)?
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Aug 23, 2016 07:12
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Grey Hunter posted:I have decided to abandon Midway for Fiji. This will mean some replanning, but I can use the time to get a few more units in place. This may well be a harder fight, but its worth a lot more points. Please tell me this last second change of plans means your forces will go in piecemeal and unable to support each other.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:37
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Please tell me this last second change of plans means your forces will go in piecemeal and unable to support each other. As no one has even begun to board for Midway, no, no it won't. Sorry.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:46
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CeeJee posted:Did the Japanese put any effort into expanding their merchant navy before 1941 to actually be able to use all the resources and territory they planned on grabbing ? Or did the leadership consider those ugly floating boxes a waste of shipyards that should be building sleek weapons of war ? I think in our hearts we all know the answer.
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Aug 23, 2016 08:42
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CeeJee posted:Did the Japanese put any effort into expanding their merchant navy before 1941 to actually be able to use all the resources and territory they planned on grabbing ? Or did the leadership consider those ugly floating boxes a waste of shipyards that should be building sleek weapons of war ? ...sleek? 
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Aug 23, 2016 08:46
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steinrokkan posted:...sleek? What are you talking about? Just look at that floating pagoda.
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Aug 23, 2016 08:48
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CeeJee posted:Did the Japanese put any effort into expanding their merchant navy before 1941 to actually be able to use all the resources and territory they planned on grabbing ? Or did the leadership consider those ugly floating boxes a waste of shipyards that should be building sleek weapons of war ? Short answer: No. http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm
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Aug 23, 2016 13:07
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steinrokkan posted:...sleek? The Yamashiro makes a cameo appearance in The Wind Rises.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:50
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Short answer: No. I'm reminded of the Alternate History book "MacArthur's War." In the book, Japan won Midway by sinking all US carriers present at the battle, but the subsequent invasion was foiled through sheer luck. Then a few months later, there's a Battle of the Solomon Islands in which all remaining US carriers and the Japanese carriers mutually sink each other. Then the US admiral who was in command gets called to Washington, where Roosevelt basically tells him "good job." "...Good job? I got all our carriers sunk." "Yeah, but you also sunk all of theirs. With our production capability we can replace our ships in a matter of months, but the Japanese ships once sunk are completely out of the picture. So, good job."
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Aug 23, 2016 16:06
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  The ships quit Akyab for safety reasons.  An attempt to shift us from Chittagong is made, but this is a stalemate battlefield for now.  The Allies sure do love sending their tankers into dangerous situations.  Ships are moving and planning has been re tasked. But its the Butai's that will play for the next few days. They need to raid the area and figure out what we could be up against in an invasion. I know lots of level bombers, but what else?  No tankers. A shame.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:33
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If you're trying to take Fiji, Grey, you'll need to take Guadalcanal and maybe Noumea. They are right in the way of keeping and holding Fiji, especially Noumea if the AI is basing bombers out of it.
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Aug 23, 2016 18:18
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Mikl posted:I'm reminded of the Alternate History book "MacArthur's War." Legitimate. RZApublican posted:If you're trying to take Fiji, Grey, you'll need to take Guadalcanal and maybe Noumea. They are right in the way of keeping and holding Fiji, especially Noumea if the AI is basing bombers out of it. Shhh! You'll spoil the surprise.
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   We start the day with a kill.   Wait, enemy planes, in CHINA?  There are enemy ships at Guadalcanal.  We make moves to correct this error.  We also hit those tankers again.  Keep on piling on those bombs boys!  These are all large AP ships – good targets!  A good day for the carriers!  Well, it will be as kills are confirmed.
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Aug 24, 2016 17:18
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Losing bombers to biplanes. Tut tut.
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goatface posted:Losing bombers to biplanes. Tut tut. Germans lost a battleship to biplanes.
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Cythereal posted:Germans lost a battleship to biplanes. Hell the Italians lost have their fleet to those biplanes
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Cythereal posted:Germans lost a battleship to biplanes. "I know, we'll build a massive, overweight battleship that destroys its own radar when it fires its guns and then send it COMMERCE RAIDING! Genius!" The Germans were not very good at war.
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Aug 25, 2016 04:39
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steinrokkan posted:...sleek? savior, of the universe
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Aug 25, 2016 05:06
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Night10194 posted:"I know, we'll build a massive, overweight battleship that destroys its own radar when it fires its guns and then send it COMMERCE RAIDING! Genius!" Overweight? Not really, the Bismarck was actually a bit smaller than the Iowa-class battleships that the US put in the water. I think the real failing of the Bismarck was that she was massive battleship, designed and put into the water by a power that really no interest producing the naval compliment to allow her to function in a similar fashion to her British counterparts. If you build a fleet ship, you kind of need of a fleet to go along with her - which is problematic since the German fleet suffered during the Invasion of Norway. Bismarck and the equally silly Tirpitz were designed and put into the water without any idea of how they were going to be functionally used in the face of a massively stronger British navy and naval airpower. You can talk a lot of poo poo about Donitz and Raeder, but Hitler was asking them to do the impossible with only submarines and an incredibly limited surface fleet.
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Bismarck, while only displacing roughly 2000 tons less than Iowa, was also almost 70 feet shorter. That tonnage-to-length difference is actually fairly massive, not some minor difference. Iowa also used 4 propellers and, well, Bismarck really probably could have used a fourth as well.
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