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Arglebargle III posted:Bakula is a comic guy and they had him be all frowny. I just started watching ENT, and if this show squanders Backula's talent for light comic acting, I'll be sad. I watched all of Quantum Leap as a kid, and rewatched a bunch of it as an adult. It holds up, for the most part, but the comedy is one of the reasons it does. Not using Backula as a comic actor now and then would be like not using Bryan Cranston as a comic actor now and then. I guess I'll just prepare to be sad.  Re: Trek casts getting along: My favorite Trek cast story is how Avery Brooks had a son about the same age as Cirroc Lofton, and Lofton didn't have a comperable dad to look after him on the set. So Brooks just kind of adopted him as his on-set son. They are still like a father and son both in and out of character, to this day.  Also, Rene Auberjonois and Armin Shimmerman have maintained a hearty bromance since the beginning of DS9. I just like the irony of it.
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All this Voyager chat made me check on my favourite Ocampan loon. Yup, still mad as a hatter (latest is a dui in March)
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Went back to watching TOS with the first episode and it's interesting to see not all the tropes were baked in from the start. 3 crewmen die on the planet and not one of them is wearing a red shirt. Man, this episode has everything. Workplace sexual harassment! Solid Snaking through alien ruins to shoot a dangerous hermit! Intent to apply enhanced interrogation!
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Aug 23, 2016 13:54
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Computer, create an autist capable of outsperging Data.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:05
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Cojawfee posted:Computer, create an autist capable of outsperging Data. Program complete. Enter when ready. 
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Aug 23, 2016 14:07
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I still want to know what the VOY writers were thinking by putting an out of nowhere Seven/Chakotay romance in the LAST EPISODE. It's just bizarre and it really undoes a lot of the good stuff they did with Seven near the end.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:12
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Timby posted:I wasn't referring to Moore's statement. But keep on Nefuding. 1. Oh ok great. 2. gently caress off rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:43
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Timby posted:I wasn't referring to Moore's statement. But keep on Nefuding. Ok, what were you referring to? Why do you people have to beat around the bush about every loving thing? Bet if I asked you if the sky is blue you'd go "I can't confirm or deny that", christ.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:51
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"Canon is an albatross" was in response to this:Astroman posted:Next time I bitch about prequels ruining canon and my reservations with Discovery, and someone wants to say I'm just being a nitpicky nerd, remember that Ron Moore agrees with me. You know, the part of the post that wasn't a Ron Moore quote.
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Aug 23, 2016 16:15
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Aug 23, 2016 16:53
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The most important part about Star Trek: Discovery is that there's a good chance we'll get a Pre-Refit Miranda and that's awesome.
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Aug 23, 2016 16:57
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Cojawfee posted:Computer, create an autist capable of outsperging Data. Computer, turn that monitor back on.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:05
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Mortanis posted:The most important part about Star Trek: Discovery is that there's a good chance we'll get a Pre-Refit Miranda and that's awesome. I'm not entirely sure I have a ton of faith in the design team, considering they basically directly lifted Ralph McQuarrie's godawful design for the ship.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:13
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I'm pretty sure that reusing previous assets is as close to a Star Trek tradition as you can get. Also "lift" might be a strong word. The similarities are certainly there and Fuller wasn't particularly coy about taking inspiration from it, but the McQuarry design was significantly more Star Destroyer/Space pizza than this version. Also I sort of like using a 70s design for a prequel series because it avoids some of the pitfalls of trying to make something "new" while still aping the old.
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Aug 23, 2016 18:13
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Duckbag posted:I'm pretty sure that reusing previous assets is as close to a Star Trek tradition as you can get. They smoothed out the star wars greeblies but it's still basically the same design. If anything the original's round nacelles were a little more period appropriate than the boxy ones they went with:   I've seen fan versions based on this design that were successful in de-fuglyfying it, so hopefully they refine the poo poo out of the Discovery.
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Aug 23, 2016 18:50
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Has it already been discussed to death that the Discovery design and sound design point heavily towards the Star Trek period just prior to or right after The Treat of Alergon? That ship looks a lot like a captured Romulan ship with a Federation saucer bolted on. Back on topic: remember that one Voyager episode where the whole ship and crew were goop clones that had actually advanced beyond the original ship and crew? Remember how the episode ended with the original crew finding a glob of muck in space and literally going  What the gently caress, Voyager!?!
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Aug 23, 2016 18:51
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Thwomp posted:Back on topic: remember that one Voyager episode where the whole ship and crew were goop clones that had actually advanced beyond the original ship and crew? Remember how the episode ended with the original crew finding a glob of muck in space and literally going That episode is so awesome, I love those weird instances when Voyager goes completely nihilistic.
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Aug 23, 2016 19:04
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I actually really love the hard simple shapes and sharp lines of this spaceship. With better CG this might end up my favourite human ship in trek!
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Aug 23, 2016 19:11
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How did they find a way to survive on non demon class planets?
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Tighclops posted:They smoothed out the star wars greeblies but it's still basically the same design. If anything the original's round nacelles were a little more period appropriate than the boxy ones they went with: It's not totally defuglified, but I do think that proportion changes with the bigger saucer and the tapered, angled wings leading to the nacelle "pylons" are both very good changes. The arrowhead/star fleet emblem profile they went with is way better than the flat triangle star drive from the original design. I agree about the nacelles themselves though -- the trapezoid shape is really weird. Thwomp posted:Has it already been discussed to death that the Discovery design and sound design point heavily towards the Star Trek period just prior to or right after The Treat of Alergon? That ship looks a lot like a captured Romulan ship with a Federation saucer bolted on. They said it would ~10 years be pre-TOS. The treaty of Algeron was signed about twenty years after TUC quote:Back on topic: remember that one Voyager episode where the whole ship and crew were goop clones that had actually advanced beyond the original ship and crew? Remember how the episode ended with the original crew finding a glob of muck in space and literally going Yeah, their inexplicable "enhanced Warp Drive" is pretty hilarious. That and the fact that Paris was suddenly a lieutenant again were supposed to be immediate clues that this wasn't "our" Voyager, but Voyager continuity was so bad I thought they'd just hosed up at first.
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Tighclops posted:
Here's a decent one I just found:  "Larger saucer, moved saucer back, pushed nacelles back and replaced nacelle design."
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Duckbag posted:They said it would ~10 years be pre-TOS. The treaty of Algeron was signed about twenty years after TUC Ah okay, I didn't catch them already referring to a specific time period. quote:Yeah, their inexplicable "enhanced Warp Drive" is pretty hilarious. That and the fact that Paris was suddenly a lieutenant again were supposed to be immediate clues that this wasn't "our" Voyager, but Voyager continuity was so bad I thought they'd just hosed up at first. Which makes the finale even more hilarious in retrospect since that's exactly what happened.
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The_Doctor posted:Here's a decent one I just found: I think moving the saucer was a bad call, but the other two changes do make it look a little more Star Fleet-y. I also I also really hope they change its color pallet from the teaser because right now it looks like an old penny.
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The_Doctor posted:Here's a decent one I just found: That actually looks a lot better. Thwomp posted:Has it already been discussed to death that the Discovery design and sound design point heavily towards the Star Trek period just prior to or right after The Treat of Alergon? That ship looks a lot like a captured Romulan ship with a Federation saucer bolted on. Fun fact: remember the Romulan Bird of Prey from TOS? It was originally intended to be a stolen Federation design, much like how the Chinese constantly make shameless knockoffs of products from other countries. It makes sense too, because the Romulan BOP actually looks a lot like a Federation ship with a saucer and nacelles, just with a bird painted on the bottom. And later in the series, Romulans used Klingon D7 Battle cruisers. And the Klingon Bird of Prey was originally meant to be a Romulan design too, as the villains in Star Trek 3 were going to be Romulans before it was changed to Klingons. And it makes sense, as the Klingon BoP looks a lot like a Romulan ship.
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The script for The Search for Spock actually says that Kruge's Bird of Prey is a stolen Romulan ship.
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And then when the Romulans do show up as the proper villains in a Star Trek movie, they're in Nemesis. :insert nemesis pooping gif:
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Trek suffers a bit in that the federation has a very distinct look to their ships but everyone else is a hodge podge of greebles or just the one single model they ever made for that race over multiple shows.
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The design language for those ships is still pretty confused as it also looks like a Klingon design. You can put a D7 and bird of prey side by side and say "yup, those came out of the same shipyard." Really, if you cut the front pylon and bridge pod off of a D7, it looks a lot like a squared off TOS BoP. So, we can just say both races were either sharing or stealing off of each other. It's not until the Romulans withdrew from attention that they emerged with a wholly different design language.
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bull3964 posted:The design language for those ships is still pretty confused as it also looks like a Klingon design. You can put a D7 and bird of prey side by side and say "yup, those came out of the same shipyard." Turns out that's the best shape for a cloaking device.
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I don't understand how aesthetic similarities means a sharing of tech. It's like someone getting their hands on some chinese tech and suddenly everything is red and has dragon motifs. I guess you could technobabble about taking a romulan or klingon hull design and trying to keep it mostly the same layout so all the guts are in the same places and don't need to be re-engineered, but that seems like a stretch.
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I went to a Star Wars vs Star Trek debate at the Edinburgh Fringe and someone asked "Who is more annoying: Jar Jar or Neelix?" Neither of the debaters immediately said Wesley Crusher.
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Thwomp posted:And then when the Romulans do show up as the proper villains in a Star Trek movie, they're in Nemesis. With a new warbird which pulled from the same design concepts as the Klingon bird of prey, which started out as a Romulan design anyway. It's like poetry, it rhymes 
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Apollodorus posted:No one said Keenser? Nah, wee man is fine. He's just in the background most of the time.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:With a new warbird which pulled from the same design concepts as the Klingon bird of prey, which started out as a Romulan design anyway. It's like poetry, it rhymes God, as hideous as the Scimitar was, the Valdore was almost as bad. John Eaves really needs to never design anything ever again.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:With a new warbird which pulled from the same design concepts as the Klingon bird of prey, which started out as a Romulan design anyway. It's like poetry, it rhymes Is the in-universe explanation for the similarities in Romulans and Klingon ships that one stole the tech from the other?
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Met posted:Is the in-universe explanation for the similarities in Romulans and Klingon ships that one stole the tech from the other? Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon design.
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Apollodorus posted:Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon design. Which, in turn, was because nobody could find the Romulan ship model from Balance of Terror. So much of Star Trek is the result of accidents and screw-ups.
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 Man this really does look like a federation design, like a classic trek era version of a small warship of a similar role as the defiant.
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That bird of prey actually looks like a good space ship. While the Constitution shape is iconic, it looks like a really stupid and poorly designed spaceship. It's all spindly and leads to several weak points like in Beyond where they chop off the nacelles and the engineering section. That bird of prey is all compacted together and looks like it is at home flying through space and could even land on a planet if need be.
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