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foobardog posted:Unlike when the police brutalize left wing protestors, brutality against right wing terrorists is not just swept under the rug, but repeated as a rallying cry all over talk radio as Very Serious People on the mainstream news cluck their tongues at government going too far. left wing protesters generally don't try to murder their families when the cops start closing in.
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computer parts posted:left wing protesters generally don't try to murder their families when the cops start closing in.
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 I heard the police brutalized the protestors. What, did they use tear gas? Nah, they made 'em live in Idaho! Doh ho ho ho ho ho ho!
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Facebook Aunt posted:Yeah, it has come up in some GBS thread in the past. Probably one of the ones about sovcits or seasteading or something. To be fair, First Aid should be a thing more people learn, regardless.
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computer parts posted:left wing protesters generally don't try to murder their families when the cops start closing in. My use of protestors versus terrorists should make it clear I'm aware of that difference.
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http://www.opb.org/news/article/kelso-washington-police-shooting/quote:“We don’t have a terribly diverse community, so in my view … we don’t look at things racially,” he said. “It’s based on circumstances and situations.”
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So Jay Inslee and Bill Bryant debated last night. Bryant, despite disavowing Trump earlier this week, painted WA state as poo poo, pulling the playbook from Trump's GOP convention speech. Inslee pulled the DNC one and said Washington is great and could be better. Inslee doesn't inspire me but man Bryant seems like a sleaze.
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You expect different? WA Republicans are insane. We don't get many moderates.
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oxbrain posted:You expect different? The entire Republican party has been consumed by the fringe right and is driving itself off a cliff currently. I suspect the next 8 years are going to be absolutely dominated by the Democratic party.
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oxbrain posted:You expect different? WA Republicans are insane. We don't get many moderates. We had them once but the state republican party purged the Bellevue set due to them being too tolerant of businesses having pro-gay policies.
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Doccers posted:The entire Republican party has been consumed by the fringe right and is driving itself off a cliff currently. I suspect the next 8 years are going to be absolutely dominated by the Democratic party. Please ignore the frothing lunatic that is the state of Idaho to your immediate East.
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Doccers posted:The entire Republican party has been consumed by the fringe right and is driving itself off a cliff currently. I suspect the next 8 years are going to be absolutely dominated by the Democratic party. Yeah, too bad they'll be pushing policy indistinguishable from the Republican party 20 years prior.
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Peztopiary posted:Please ignore the frothing lunatic that is the state of Idaho to your immediate East. Mr. Lobe posted:Yeah, too bad they'll be pushing policy indistinguishable from the Republican party 20 years prior. You both make valid points.
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Weren't Dan Evans and Slade Gordon respectable Republicans back in the day? I remembered hearing about them a lot. Now it's all Pam Roach and Tim Eyman.
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I've never considered WA Republicans insane per se, though most I know are Eastside libertarian/business types who are more than willing to let Eastern WA have their way, but aren't really that far off from the establishment Dems. But I'm a socialist comparing them to NC Republicans, so... Inslee is just boring, honestly, but really the log jam is the Senate, so it's not a big deal. Though, I'm playing a role playing game with friends and we're in a post-apocalyptic future with Inslee having become the Dread Lich Necromancer of Seattle. Which is especially great because one of the players is getting involved with local Democrats and he's afraid to tell them in case they don't like the joke.
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Dan Evans was the signed legislation creating Evergreen and was it's president from 1977 to 1983. I doubt any of the modern day WA Republicans could even imagine going to Evergreen's campus.
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anthonypants posted:Their argument is that the cops started those fires, and, cops being cops, it's really difficult to tell which side is right.
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coyo7e posted:Oh I remember that video where it supposedly shows a tank shooting fire into the building. drat that was a long time ago. Ok so, the whole WACO thing, has to be put in context to really understand it, and it started a year earlier in Idaho at a shitdump called Ruby Ridge. Now keep in mind, at this point, the ATF was having trouble justifying it's field operations budget, in that it was kinda overlapping with the FBI, and the Treasury Department were getting really annoyed by their incompetence, so the ATF is looking for something *Real Juicy* to show just how awesome it was. So. Randy Weaver and his wife Vicki are white seperatist kooks, but relatively harmless. His neighbors have a dispute with them, they take it to court, court finds for the Weavers and the neighbors have to pay out $5 grand. Neighbors are pissed, call the fbi and claim the weavers are going to kill the governor/no wait the president/ No wait the Pope (no kidding) and send in a forged letter to that effect. ATF tries a sting operation and Randy sells a couple of shotguns, but the ATF hosed it up and can't prove they were illegal (their informant may have "helped" modify the shotguns after the sale). Fuckit, take him to court anyways, released on bail, trial set to start later. His lawyer fucks up, the judge knows it, so they reschedule the court date for later, and his probation officer sends a letter stating it'll start in March - Problem being it was actually set to start in February. Of course, he's a no-show in February (because he was told it'd be in march), so the ATF decides "Oh hey, this is *REAL JUICY*, lets go!" They then proceed to start fabricating reasons to go after him and utterly bungle everything. And I mean *EVERYTHING*. Long story short they lie about his wife shooting at helicopters, that he's set up land mines on his property, and that he's basically RAMBO INCARNATE, and they need to call in the ATF's elite field units, who then set up rules of engagement that would make the Marines ask "Uh isn't this straight up murder?", and have an absolute fuckhead of a sniper (Who's considered an absolute fuckhead in gun owner circles and they usually worship snipers so that's saying something) murder an unarmed woman holding a baby. Shots go back and forth and eventually the rest of the weavers give up. No, Really - it was that hosed up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge FBI investigates the whole thing, the surviving weavers get millions of dollars, and the ATF now has a black eye and people are REALLY starting to question their budget. Enter WACO. Again religious loons, this time with their own compound. ATF decides they've got unregistered NFA poo poo and thinks "Oh goody, *THIS* looks really juicy!". Grand Kook David Koresh goes to the ATF and says "Hey, we got paperwork for everything, Come take a look", ATF declines and decides to start world war 3 in texas. Long story short the branch dividians decide the ATF wants to murder them like they did the Weavers and go to war. ATF overdoes it to the 9's, brings in Bradley tanks and Blackhawk helicopters, uses the wrong type of teargas (Military 40mm launched teargas cannisters, which kinda get hot for %Reasons%, instead of police 37mm cannisters which are a little bit safter), and everything burns to the ground. These two incidents are pretty much what launched the whole Militia movement in the 90s, caused some kook to bomb a federal building, and launched the right's hate of Bill Clinton because he happened to be the new president at the time and so of course this is all Totally His Fault. Folow that up with a bunch more ATF incompetence like Fast and Furious, hiring retards to work for fake companies and then strong-arming them into buying guns so they can arrest them, (I'm not kidding http://archive.jsonline.com/watchdo...-234916641.html ) and a whole slew of other such stupidity. And now we have lots of groups who have decided that if you like jesus too much and/or darkies too little, then the government is going to come get you like they saw on TV, so they better get ready to wage war. It's just massively retarded from every angle. Also I just realized I keep capitalizing all of Waco. In my defense I'm a Ham radio guy, so I keep seeing it as a call sign and thus capitalize it. Imna leave it there just as evidence of what a stupid dumb baby I am, but it's just "Waco", a town in Texas. Doccers fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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Doccers posted:Ok so, the whole WACO thing, has to be put in context to really understand it, and it started a year earlier in Idaho at a shitdump called Ruby Ridge. Ah, I missed a lot of this being a little kid at the time. I was still wrapping my head around politics and news. Thanks!
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Thanks for that, I had no idea how hosed up the ATF was at that time.
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Solkanar512 posted:Thanks for that, I had no idea how hosed up the ATF was at that time. Yep. This poo poo is why, while I think militia dudes are stupid as gently caress, but I can almost squint and understand their point.
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Error 404 posted:Yep. This poo poo is why, while I think militia dudes are stupid as gently caress, but I can almost squint and understand their point. Well the abuse of the use of force should be abstracted from its target, in both cases they were quite clearly stepped over a line. Also it does foreshadow the militarization of police forces across the US during the 2000s.
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Ardennes posted:Well the abuse of the use of force should be abstracted from its target, in both cases they were quite clearly stepped over a line. Also it does foreshadow the militarization of police forces across the US during the 2000s. Yes, I'm not saying I think they're right, only that I have a non-zero amount of sympathy for their point of view.
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Ardennes posted:Well the abuse of the use of force should be abstracted from its target, in both cases they were quite clearly stepped over a line. Also it does foreshadow the militarization of police forces across the US during the 2000s.
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Went and played around on some old logging roads with another Xterra yesterday. Was great to get out and find an excuse to put it in 4WD haha.      
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Why is someone posting a homemade car ad in the PNW politics thread?
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Ditocoaf posted:Why is someone posting a homemade car ad in the PNW politics thread? Well, running over a pine sapling with your SUV is something of a political statement, like the PNW form of rolling coal
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Some white supremacists chased and ran down a black kid in Gresham a couple weeks ago: http://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...upremacist-gang
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anthonypants posted:Some white supremacists chased and ran down a black kid in Gresham a couple weeks ago: http://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...upremacist-gang  Jesus loving christ I thought moving from the midwest would REDUCE the KKK quotient.
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Pander posted:
Certain groups of white nationalists touted moving to the Northwest and taking it over politically to create a new white homeland. There weren't very many of them in the end, but they still exist, and still view it as a goal.
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Pander posted:
My ex-girlfriend had a grandma that lived in Gresham, so I went there several times. The place is a racist hell hole despite being just outside of Portland. It's Oregon's equivalent of Everett.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Certain groups of white nationalists touted moving to the Northwest and taking it over politically to create a new white homeland. There weren't very many of them in the end, but they still exist, and still view it as a goal. Wasn't there a WN guy who bought one of the san juan islands and tried to turn it into his own country years back?
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seiferguy posted:My ex-girlfriend had a grandma that lived in Gresham, so I went there several times.
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Solkanar512 posted:I know folks like to poo poo all over Everett for classist reasons but come on.
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The Pacific Northwest is crawling with overt racists and you don't need to go to the burbs to find them. A few months ago a local Jewish retailer in West Seattle had a swastika carved into the cement outside their business. It wasn't the first time.
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Solkanar512 posted:I know folks like to poo poo all over Everett for classist reasons but come on. I don't know anything about Everett, but Gresham gets a bad rap in Portland. I think the people who call it a slum have never been to an actual slum. It's got some run-down areas, sure, but nothing as awful and hopeless and soul crushing as places I've been in the Southeast. And yeah, the racist assholes are everywhere. Especially Portland.
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xrunner posted:I don't know anything about Everett, but Gresham gets a bad rap in Portland. I think the people who call it a slum have never been to an actual slum. It's got some run-down areas, sure, but nothing as awful and hopeless and soul crushing as places I've been in the Southeast. And yeah, the racist assholes are everywhere. Especially Portland. The dream of the 90s* is alive in portland. *american history x came out in the 90s, right
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Pander posted:
edit: for funsies, compare that map to the chosen location of that libertarian castle complex. I wonder if they picked that place because they like the neighbors. Eugene's been trying to respond to a long string of anti-asian graffiti and vandalism recently, and there's plenty of trucks with rebel flags attached to a pole on them. I mean I ran into this guy at Jerry's once, and I have always felt that it sums up most of the PNW pretty well:  SyHopeful posted:Went and played around on some old logging roads with another Xterra yesterday. Was great to get out and find an excuse to put it in 4WD haha. 
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