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Feeple posted:Hell WizKids had people getting hurt over their prereleases, which were presented as exclusives for their objectively worse Star Trek game. It was real bad. The game and how they did the exclusives.
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Red Hood posted:Hey, Admiral Joeslop and Chill la Chill, I saw something at StocktonCon and thought of you two immediately.  I've had to put pillowcases on top of the poe body pillow since my entire family, including my cat, have taken a liking to sleeping on/with it.Feeple posted:Seriously. I get that GenCon should and needs to have neat preview purchases to help drive in ticket sales, but honestly, anything previewed 2+ months in advance can go gently caress itself. I don't feel that GenCon should be a shopping event, yet here we are. FFG isn't even the only offender here. Hell WizKids had people getting hurt over their prereleases, which were presented as exclusives for their objectively worse Star Trek game.
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Otisburg posted:It was real bad. The game and how they did the exclusives. Just thinking about the cloaked ship models being released gives me a nervous tic. WizKids being gone from GenCon is a blessing.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Strobe have you had much of a chance to run Wedge with R3/Juke yet? No. 
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What's the Wedge R3/Juke gimmick? Wedge TLs as an action, then attacks, rolls something like hit, hit, eyeball. Cancels eyeball to gain an Evade. Uses the evade with Juke to change the defender's result to an eyeball, forcing them to spend a token? Maybe pair with VI Wes to strip the the defender's token first?
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Yep, that's it. Also helps with Wedge's survivability, since Zuckuss can't force a reroll of a token and it gives him more reliable defense with a higher ceiling.
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It's generally better than Predator, as long as specific circumstances don't appear. If the other ship still has a focus or a way to turn a eyeball to an evade (Luke, Keyan etc.) then Juke doesn't do him much good but the evade might still be useful. They only time I've used it was against Biggs, Wes and Corran.
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Keyan can only turn an offensive focus with stress. But yes Luke fits that
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I'm really going to need everyone in this thread to stop pointing out when I say something wrong; it's embarrassing and I'm sure as hell not going to stop being wrong.
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Also Wedge's ability means that Keyan doesn't have any defense dice whatsoever so he wouldn't be able to use it anyway.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I'm really going to need everyone in this thread to stop pointing out when I say something wrong; it's embarrassing and I'm sure as hell not going to stop being wrong. It's not embarrassing. It's hilarious. So you're wrong about this too.
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You should be more like me, and be wrong about things being good or bad instead of wrong about how cards interact. 
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There's a guy in local tournaments who thinks he's solved X-wing by castling in a corner with Dengar and Bossk while Dengar points toward the edge so he doesn't get his ability. He never places. I don't even see how this is a fun way to lose.
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Panzeh posted:There's a guy in local tournaments who thinks he's solved X-wing by castling in a corner with Dengar and Bossk while Dengar points toward the edge so he doesn't get his ability. He never places. Castling is rarely a winning strategy, because actions are so important. Scum crew makes it less bad. A castled party bus with Dengar, 4-Lom, and Zuckuss would be pretty hard to approach with some lists. But since he has Dengar as a pilot, he doesn't have that party bus.
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ConfusedUs posted:Castling is rarely a winning strategy, because actions are so important. Scum crew makes it less bad. A castled party bus with Dengar, 4-Lom, and Zuckuss would be pretty hard to approach with some lists. He has K4 security which has a similar function on a YV that just 1-straights into a bump every time. It's just everyone kills Dengar first because he has no defense in this build and he never shoots back so then Bossk has to finish games and he's not going to do that against a quality opponent. It uses tactical jammers to try to provide defense but with the YV being the one on the inside it doesn't matter. Castling only really works if you're more efficient than your opponent and unfortunately a Dengar that never acts other than to get K4 and never gets to use his ability is the opposite of efficient.
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Panzeh posted:He has K4 security which has a similar function on a YV that just 1-straights into a bump every time. It's just everyone kills Dengar first because he has no defense in this build and he never shoots back so then Bossk has to finish games and he's not going to do that against a quality opponent. It uses tactical jammers to try to provide defense but with the YV being the one on the inside it doesn't matter. I often wonder about castling with brobots. Is there any reason why just sitting in the corner and doing hard 1 turns into each other whilst you wait for the enemy to approach wouldn't work? With AdvSens for actions of course.
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thespaceinvader posted:I often wonder about castling with brobots. Is there any reason why just sitting in the corner and doing hard 1 turns into each other whilst you wait for the enemy to approach wouldn't work? With AdvSens for actions of course. Brobots are fragile when there's concentrated fire coming down, and being unable to take focus or evade actions means against a decent meta list you'll lose one per turn and then the game.
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thespaceinvader posted:I often wonder about castling with brobots. Is there any reason why just sitting in the corner and doing hard 1 turns into each other whilst you wait for the enemy to approach wouldn't work? With AdvSens for actions of course. They'll get R1 to you and force you to do something else. You're not really controlling the engagement range at that point and have to choose between covering your flanks or putting a significant amount of the board in your two arcs. Either way it's really bad for you. And yeah it'll pretty much be evade every turn unless you want to die quick in which case you just take unmodified shots and then you don't trade as well.
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Panzeh posted:He has K4 security which has a similar function on a YV that just 1-straights into a bump every time. It's just everyone kills Dengar first because he has no defense in this build and he never shoots back so then Bossk has to finish games and he's not going to do that against a quality opponent. It uses tactical jammers to try to provide defense but with the YV being the one on the inside it doesn't matter. https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...amed%20Squadron Put in bottom corner. Bossk on outside edge facing in. Tel facing Bossk. Bump forever, getting TLs every turn. Tel gets some minor defensive benefit from Elusiveness and Bossk has Determination! It's unbeatable*! *It's terrible but could win with some luck.
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So, I was out of the loop for, err, since the Imperial Veterans was about to hit store. What happened since then? Are 3 X wing lists still a possibility? More importantly, is my man Kyle Katarn/the HWK finally viable?
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thespaceinvader posted:I often wonder about castling with brobots. Is there any reason why just sitting in the corner and doing hard 1 turns into each other whilst you wait for the enemy to approach wouldn't work? With AdvSens for actions of course. Because all the other guy would need to do is ram the inner most brobot from the side with his ships and pick away at the other one for an easy win. Seriously there is really no way to caste that isn't 1) almost assuredly a loss and 2)unfun poo poo for both parties
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Iceclaw posted:So, I was out of the loop for, err, since the Imperial Veterans was about to hit store. What happened since then? Are 3 X wing lists still a possibility? More importantly, is my man Kyle Katarn/the HWK finally viable? My man. I run XXX all the time but it's not top tier at all. Rebel HWKs still suck.
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Iceclaw posted:So, I was out of the loop for, err, since the Imperial Veterans was about to hit store. What happened since then? Are 3 X wing lists still a possibility? More importantly, is my man Kyle Katarn/the HWK finally viable? Yes, in the past six weeks the viability of decent TIE bombers has brought Kyle Katarn and his HWK to the top of the meta.
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Iceclaw posted:So, I was out of the loop for, err, since the Imperial Veterans was about to hit store. What happened since then? Are 3 X wing lists still a possibility? More importantly, is my man Kyle Katarn/the HWK finally viable? I have some bad news for you...
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Kyle Katarn is about to be plenty viable again. In a crew slot with Kanan on Rey.
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I had someone tell me with the new timing FAQ Kanan will not let you get stress free sloops with the new Falcon title. Can anyone better at the rules confirm/deny?
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Eimi posted:I had someone tell me with the new timing FAQ Kanan will not let you get stress free sloops with the new Falcon title. Can anyone better at the rules confirm/deny? Someone told you lies m8. Same timing, your choice of order. There was some argument in the previous FAQ but something or other in this one made me change my mind. Can't remember what, but meh.
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They have the same trigger timing, so the controlling player chooses in what order they resolve ("after you execute a maneuver").
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Panzeh posted:There's a guy in local tournaments who thinks he's solved X-wing by castling in a corner with Dengar and Bossk while Dengar points toward the edge so he doesn't get his ability. He never places.  What is the point of Dengar pointing towards the edge? How is that "solving" anything?
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Goddammit FFG. You had one job!  Anyway, are there new things on the horizon save for the TFA Falcon and Poe Mk2?
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Iceclaw posted:Goddammit FFG. You had one job! Wave 9, featuring a Scum Interceptor with Tallon Rolls, a Rebel ship with two firing arcs and both Crew and Astromech slots and a TIE with two firing arcs and a Systems slot. Wave 10, featuring Kylo Ren's Shuttle, a Rebel TIE Fighter and a Scum blocker.
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Okay! Rebel Ties seems exciting. Please tell me it's Sabine. 
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Iceclaw posted:Okay! Rebel Ties seems exciting. Please tell me it's Sabine. Yep! It's literally Sabine's TIE, complete with paintjob. https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/8/5/ill-show-you-the-dark-side/ Some Numbers fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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Admiral Joeslop posted:
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Admiral Joeslop posted:
If he's going to gimmick he should at least make an effort of it. YV-666: •Moralo Eval (49) Heavy Laser Cannon (7) •Bossk (2) Gunner (5) •Zuckuss (1) Jumpmaster 5000: Contracted Scout (26) Tactical Jammers (1) Jumpmaster 5000: Contracted Scout (25) Total: 100/100 Maybe 2 TLT thugs would be better at holding the YV in the corner? Who cares!
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Another regional in Durham at Atomic  Nov 12 though, so looks like the meta will probably still be poo poo.
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Hey, just wondering - what's a good counter to a double Defenders + AWACS TIE Bomber/Shuttle list? (Specifically using Maarek Stele+Rexler Brath with VI+Adapt so they're both PS9, as well as x7 and SD. Shuttle is pretty much the standard fare Fleet Office and Systems Officer, I think they're called?) Since I've been using the above list to great affect against my dad whenever we both have time to actually get together and play x-wing over the past few months, however he's been using a variety of lists and is getting annoyed, as he's unable to beat it. (And I'm not overly keen on changing yet - I plan on using this list at the next event, so I want to meet my match with it/try going against various builds) I'm thinking perhaps a scum 'party bus' might be OK, however I'm firstly not sure about what the escort should be, plus he's not all that keen on the Scum playstyle for whatever reason. Are there any good Imp lists (or maybe even Reb), that counter it decently? He's more of a jouster than an arc-dodger, but isn't bad with a Phantom. Thanks
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Shoot down the Bomber first. Especially if it's lower PS than the Defenders. Avoid the joust, or force him to split his firepower so the PS9s can't kill a ship before it gets a shot off. Maarek and Rexler's abilities don't actually improve their offense any in terms of hits, so if you can force separation, you can tank their mods. If the Bomber has TIE Mk 2, they're pretty much locked to speed 3 banks and straight, or they'll either outpace it, or be unable to evade token up. When the AWACs is down, pick one and concentrate fire. EDIT: Alternately pick a list that can tank a couple hits, and survive the first round of shooting, and that brings good offense to the table. A quartet of Red Squads with R3 and Integrated might actually be a good pick if your bomber is the Gamma Squaddie. Scandalous, I know.
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Strobe posted:Shoot down the Bomber first. Especially if it's lower PS than the Defenders. Avoid the joust, or force him to split his firepower so the PS9s can't kill a ship before it gets a shot off. Maarek and Rexler's abilities don't actually improve their offense any in terms of hits, so if you can force separation, you can tank their mods. If the Bomber has TIE Mk 2, they're pretty much locked to speed 3 banks and straight, or they'll either outpace it, or be unable to evade token up. Ah, I'm actually using Deathfire for my AWACs pilot, as everyone I play against (especially him) loves using Pred, so the extra point is worth the lack of additional rerolls for the opponent. But yeah, he has been going for my Bomber/Shuttle first which I too think is a good move, but he hasn't been trying to split my Defenders' fire, which is a very good point - so far they've just been able to move and destroy targets one-by-one together. I'll see if we can have a re-re-[...]-match and get him to place more emphasis on not making the initial joust, and then try to split my attention between targets. EDIT: Unfortunately I've only got three T65 X-Wings though, so the Red Squadron option isn't available - does sound interesting, though! 
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