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Aug 24, 2016 01:25
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Gill netting the rivers is cool So is genocide. Bunch of sour grapes about some dumb old timey whitey making the worst deal (for future whiteys). I mean the US had them at the end of gun and somehow they didn't gently caress them out of everything. For shame. Well at least they got 99% of the land. Crab Dad fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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Aug 24, 2016 01:27
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Certain groups of white nationalists touted moving to the Northwest and taking it over politically to create a new white homeland. There weren't very many of them in the end, but they still exist, and still view it as a goal. White nationalists try to do this all the time, all over the place.
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Aug 24, 2016 01:36
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Gill netting the rivers is cool Seriously? You're complaining about the environmental effect of letting a nearly genocided people (who are the only group out there with a better claim for reparations than african americans) continue a cultural practice? Compared to the dams, the barges, the sewer and agricultural and industrial run-off, and everything else, it's insignificant. Shut up.
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Aug 24, 2016 01:39
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People are actually defending gillnets in here hahaha
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Aug 24, 2016 01:47
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I'm not a fan of the gill nets either as a sports fisher. But a treaty is a treaty and if F&G wants do improve the catch for all they better find something worth offering. Though with casino gaming being hot hot hot I don't see monetary compensation being feasible. It's literally theirs to destroy. The Supreme Court interpreted the treaty as giving them ownership of the runs.
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Aug 24, 2016 01:52
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:People are actually defending gillnets in here hahaha Unironically and gladly. If you don't see any reasonable argument against allowing tribal members to follow traditional practices, and otherwise banning the practice, then I don't know how to engage with you. Sometimes it's okay for one person to do something and not okay for another person to do the same thing. Any arguments against traditional gill-netting can be mitigated by reducing the general public's use of the river in other ways. But I think you're probably more concerned with wiping out what's left of the culture and less concerned about birds and fish.
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Aug 24, 2016 01:56
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PNW is loving packed full of racists, own that poo poo. Ignoring it just lets it fester.
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Aug 24, 2016 02:01
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Error 404 posted:PNW is loving packed full of racists, own that poo poo. Ignoring it just lets it fester. The south is full of vocal racism, doesn't seem to be preventing festering. Being shamed for holding racist views however does lots to curtail that kind of thing. As the PNWs minority population grows we'll just see more open racism. Progress will be made all over the US eventually, but it will take time and people living with minorities in their everyday life for it to become less of an issue. According to a study from the pew research center by 2055 there will no longer be a single racial/ethnic majority, less than 50% of the population will be white. What's also interesting is that Asians will overtake the Hispanic population. Right now I hear a lot of "Asians study well and work hard" talk among racists, I can't wait to hear people complaining about Asian thugs or how they should go home when they become a large enough group. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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Aug 24, 2016 02:39
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ElCondemn posted:Being shamed for holding racist views however does lots to curtail that kind of thing. Now imagine anyone in the passive aggressive capital of the world doing this. You're absolutely right, my post was essentially telling people they need to do this quoted bit rather than just "I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!" their way past this poo poo and pretend everything is fine.
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Aug 24, 2016 03:22
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Save the rivers, kill an indian? The Klamath River has had Natives and fisherman band together against Farmers for years now, but now they've all collectively turned against PG&E which runs several dams on the river. Humboldt and Del Norte counties in CA have a fairly large native population. Humboldt State University, a school that was touting itself as a school with programs for native peoples, then slashed their budget for those programs to ribbons, and then, to compound it, fired the director of the program when she told the federal grant board that gives out grants for these kinds of programs that the school had slashed their budget to ribbons and so shouldn't be given grants. Lord Waffle Beard posted:People are actually defending gillnets in here hahaha Considering the poo poo that Washington State,Oregon, and CA collectively did to their native populations, I'd say its small recompense.
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Aug 24, 2016 03:26
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:People are actually defending gillnets in here hahaha
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Aug 24, 2016 03:39
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Cascadia has always been at war with Norcalifornia.
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Aug 24, 2016 04:55
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Error 404 posted:Now imagine anyone in the passive aggressive capital of the world doing this.
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Aug 24, 2016 08:34
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The reason California is terrible is they export a shitload of their racists north, so that the experience of your average PNWer from the 80s on with Californians was with the racist ones. The non-racist ones are mostly fine, but they don't have a reason to leave California.
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Aug 24, 2016 08:54
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anthonypants posted:Those cops who shot the black kid in [OTHER STATE] are bad, but all the cops up here are good http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/03/read_for_yourself_judges_rulin.html Pigs are pigs regardless of where you go in the US. Back in Humboldt, the cops shot an insane homeless guy to death, then had the audacity to create a 'civilian' board to review the shooting.The people who staffed the board were all people in some way connected with the PD, and shockingly found that the PD did absolutely totally nothing wrong ever. It's like, what's the point of creating a board when it's all a complete loving joke? Why not just have an internal review and found him innocent of any wrongdoing?  Peztopiary posted:The reason California is terrible is they export a shitload of their racists north, so that the experience of your average PNWer from the 80s on with Californians was with the racist ones. The non-racist ones are mostly fine, but they don't have a reason to leave California. California is bad because the PNW takes our racists?  I mean, a lot of racist sentiment has lost traction, but there's still plenty of people in the best state of the best coast that hate people who aren't white because they aren't white. I grew up in San Diego, and my childhood/teenage years have plenlty of memories of listening to budding racists talk about how much black people are the scum of the earth.
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Aug 24, 2016 09:16
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Can confirm: san diego has a lot of marines
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Aug 24, 2016 09:49
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Peztopiary posted:The reason California is terrible is they export a shitload of their racists north, so that the experience of your average PNWer from the 80s on with Californians was with the racist ones. The non-racist ones are mostly fine, but they don't have a reason to leave California. Having lived in Oregon for years, it really seems to be the other way around. There are a lot of places in Oregon that are bitterly conservative and usually it correlates with communities that have taken the hardest hits in the last two decades. In comparison, Californians are more educated and wealthy, who may or may not be racist but usually are much more "coded" in the racism. They also usually live around the typical growth areas in Oregon (Portland, Eugene etc). I think a lot of the issue boils down to class divide between working class Oregonians and upper middle class Californians. The housing crisis is probably not helping the issue either.
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Aug 24, 2016 10:39
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coyo7e posted:The functional definition of the Pacific Northwest is "Anywhere a Salmon can reach," referring to the greater watershed regions which do encompass the Klamath Basin and thus, a good sized chunk of Northern California.. But basically once you're south of the redwoods you're not in the PNW anymore. State of Jefferson emcompasses that region as well, and Humboldt is definitely PNW in my book. Like most proposed ideas for states, it seems to be mostly about reaction rather than action. Like, the people there might not have much in common with the governments in Sacramento or Salem, but if they did have their own state, they probably wouldn't have a lot in common with each other. It was all based on a natural resource economy, but farmers in the Klamath basin, loggers in Northern California, and fisherman in Coos Bay (or whatever locations) probably don't have a lot of political ground to share.
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Aug 24, 2016 14:45
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We should also continue to let muslims rape children and goats and kill their wives and innocent frenchmen because they were persecuted once like 1000 years ago. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 24, 2016 15:37
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Guys, muslims are the third most persecuted group, and even if each muslim rapes one child, thats only 1billion children which is a drop in the bucket. In conclusion lets worry about the other nonraped children and why dont we have an income tax yet?? Whats wrong with you people??? We could help so many minorities do so many horrible things if we just had an income tax and a higher minimum wage and higher other taxes too. Eastern fucks, gently caress california.
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Aug 24, 2016 15:40
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Can somebody breakdown his breakdown for me? I got his last sentence.
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Aug 24, 2016 15:42
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PNW separation threads generally exist because we like to talk about the politics on the left coast that doesn't involve the state with a higher population than Australia and Canada combined, as the rest of the country tends to ignore that we exist as a result.
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Aug 24, 2016 15:45
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Having said that I think we might do well if we take those common wealth countries with the us into the glorious new Cascadia Empire.
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Aug 24, 2016 15:47
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LingcodKilla posted:Can somebody breakdown his breakdown for me? I think he was equating child rape to the use of gill nets by the locals tribes, something that surely is comparable.
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Aug 24, 2016 17:12
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El Jebus posted:I think he was equating child rape to the use of gill nets by the locals tribes, something that surely is comparable. anne frank fanfish may actually be a fish.
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Aug 24, 2016 17:23
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That would explain my urge to thump him over the head and throw him in a cooler.
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Aug 24, 2016 17:44
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So I can't find anything on the news but the entire Nisqually valley was filled with smoke this morning, what's burning?
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Aug 24, 2016 19:55
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What's the closet city?
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Aug 24, 2016 19:57
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LingcodKilla posted:What's the closet city? Olympia
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Aug 24, 2016 20:10
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Not Olympia. Sam Miller would be going apeshit about it on Facebook if that were the case.
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Aug 24, 2016 20:13
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A White Guy posted:Used to. If you read historical accounts of Salmon runs in the past, it's stunning just how much fish used to be in the rivers of California and Oregon. The Requa cannery had some accounts of their early days (before they cleaned the Klamath of all fishy life), and their daily catch was twice the amount of fish caught in the Klamath river in last five years. A White Guy posted:Save the rivers, kill an indian? The Klamath River has had Natives and fisherman band together against Farmers for years now, but now they've all collectively turned against PG&E which runs several dams on the river. glowing-fish posted:Like most proposed ideas for states, it seems to be mostly about reaction rather than action. Like, the people there might not have much in common with the governments in Sacramento or Salem, but if they did have their own state, they probably wouldn't have a lot in common with each other. It was all based on a natural resource economy, but farmers in the Klamath basin, loggers in Northern California, and fisherman in Coos Bay (or whatever locations) probably don't have a lot of political ground to share.
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Aug 24, 2016 20:32
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coyo7e posted:Yeah this poo poo is crazy, and you can't really blame the fisheries either, because the dams are what have strangled off the majority of the runs. Even thoughh everybody agrees that the dams on the Klamath should come down, and that nobody wants to pay to keep them up, and that all the plans and budgets have been planned out and earmarked, it's still being blocked in congress because I guess dams are like guns - some kind of emblem of manifest destiny or some poo poo. I wonder if water rights have anything to do with it - I'm new to the region so I don't yet grasp all the subtleties, but I know up in Colorado we had a couple really old dams and power stations that were so outdated and useless it cost the state a ton of money to keep them running - way more than they ever recouped on power bills - just because there were rules in place that there needed to be X Feet per minute flow of water allocated to keep the dam running, so the state used those power stations to keep the water in the Colorado river, and thus keep it open to whitewater rafting/tourism. If they shut the dam down, then California would get the rights to that water, so the river would be lowered. or something like that, it was pretty ridiculous. But Colorado was ridiculous when it came to water rights, it was flat out illegal until this year to keep any rainwater that fell on your property, for example.
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Aug 24, 2016 21:33
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Water rights in the West are fuuuucked.
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Aug 24, 2016 21:56
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Doccers posted:So I can't find anything on the news but the entire Nisqually valley was filled with smoke this morning, what's burning? https://mobile.twitter.com/CoryMinderhout/status/768572840555798528
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Aug 24, 2016 23:41
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I see School's Out for Summer... Thanks for finding that. I kept looking for "Forest Fire" in the news, no wonder I never saw it. heh.
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Aug 24, 2016 23:54
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23 buses burned apparently.
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Aug 25, 2016 15:06
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Evil Kenevil strikes again
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Aug 25, 2016 22:30
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Doccers posted:I wonder if water rights have anything to do with it - I'm new to the region so I don't yet grasp all the subtleties, but I know up in Colorado we had a couple really old dams and power stations that were so outdated and useless it cost the state a ton of money to keep them running - way more than they ever recouped on power bills - just because there were rules in place that there needed to be X Feet per minute flow of water allocated to keep the dam running, so the state used those power stations to keep the water in the Colorado river, and thus keep it open to whitewater rafting/tourism. If they shut the dam down, then California would get the rights to that water, so the river would be lowered. or something like that, it was pretty ridiculous. The water rights poo poo was really, really ugly to the point of being violent back in the late 90s in Klamath Falls, OR.. I was going to college there at the time and the drought caused the feds to cut off the irrigation supplies to the white farmers "who've lived there for generations", and the native population really got pissed the gently caress off and a bunch of environmentalist protestors showed up, then the rednecks started monkeywrenching federal water mains and cruising town looking to beat down hippies with tire irons... But nobody really got arrested - compared to Tre Arrow who got 20 something years for burning some SUVs in a car dealership parking lot. What it ultimately comes down to is white settlers got a bunch of water rights to raise crops which are compltely innappropriate to raise in the high deserts of eastern oregon, and they feel entitled to all the resources because their families have been there for a 100-125 years - gently caress those redskins they don't do anything but do drugs and drink anywho 
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Aug 28, 2016 03:17
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Maaaaan can't you get over old history. Personally I hope the casinos bleed the local communities dry and they reinvest the money into land.
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Aug 28, 2016 03:31
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