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Skoll posted:You're giving me Nam flashbacks, man. Realplayer was the loving worst. *double clicks on .mov file* quicktime popup "you must install the quicktime runtime to watch this video" download the 60 megabyte quicktime installer, which you install over the existing install for quicktime that was installed with itunes and yet is not capable of opening anything 'quicktime is not capable of opening this video'
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I don't remember quicktime being able to open anything
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Sentient Data posted:(and not even necessarily .r03 and stuff but files that were just truncated on a binary level and you had to recombine through a cli tool). Was this another of those situations where doing it on Unix is trivial (cat whatever*.part > full_file.mp4) but doing it on Windows requires downloading some weird Russian dude's lovely GUI program that may or may not log your keystrokes? Simple things, like renaming a bunch of files at once, or creating a loving zip file up until Windows 7.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Nice! I was one of those QuantumLink users, on my C64 and VICmodem. I remember seeing my first emoticon and having to ask someone what  meant.
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there was a standalone quicktime player also a quicktime player that ran inside of internet explorer via activeX and also some form of quicktime codec pack for windows media player i think none of which were intercompatible and were all installed separately 
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nigga crab pollock posted:*double clicks on .mov file* you forgot the nagware pop-up telling you to buy quicktime pro also the fact that normally you couldn't play a quicktime video in full screen without paying real world actual money
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Pham Nuwen posted:Was this another of those situations where doing it on Unix is trivial (cat whatever*.part > full_file.mp4) but doing it on Windows requires downloading some weird Russian dude's lovely GUI program that may or may not log your keystrokes? Simple things, like renaming a bunch of files at once, or creating a loving zip file up until Windows 7. please activate winrar! your trial period is 1684 days expired
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Aug 24, 2016 17:02
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Quicktime sucked dick but it wasnt active malware like Realplayer was/is.
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nigga crab pollock posted:please activate winrar! your trial period is 1684 days expired how is winrar guy doing i assume he made a ton of money despite no one I know paying for it
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Skoll posted:Quicktime sucked dick but it wasnt active malware like Realplayer was/is. I remember having full seasons of South Park in realplayer format, the only way to watch them in decent quality was in a screen the size of a postage stamp..
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Mortimer posted:how is winrar guy doing He lives in Russia, so presumably any american bucks he got for the program went a lot further there.
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Maybe corporate users paid for it? They usually like to keep their 'i's crossed and their 't's dotted when it comes to software licenses.
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^^^ Mortimer posted:how is winrar guy doing
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The day I found the Real Media plugin for Media Player CLassic was a good day, indeed. Made all those random coded/file/format downloaded Simpsons episodes that much easier to watch.
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I'd almost say Quicktime was worse. Realplayer could largely be avoided, but there was a definite period there where Quicktime was pretty much the only game in town if you wanted halfway-decent video. Especially if you were into movie trailers, as Apple was one of the first putting out high-quality trailers.
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ColoradoCleric posted:are you all secretly scene releasers because there is no way knowing this much about codecs is normal MPEG is sort of a loose family of codecs. MP3 is actually spin off MPEG1/2 but MPEG 3 is actually something else that was meant for HDTV but was rolled back into MPEG2. MPEG4 was used for mobile phones and was sort of the go-to option for creating early digital billboard videos (as flash files were a nightmare) and was slowly updated to become H.264. Before that your defacto player was Quicktime which gained prominence in 1999 when Apple saw how bad Windows Media Video streaming was and RealPlayer so offered up a deal so that LucasFilm would be able to promote The Phantom Menace. This lead to the creation of the Apple trailer page which until YouTube kicked in was the only decent way to get high quality trailers of films on the internet. I spent two hours downloading the Phantom Menace trailer in 1998. Quicktime was sort of boosted by sub-codecs that were made for optimal streaming, like Soreson, and programs like Soreson Squeeze or Discrete Cleaner were used to batch convert stuff overnight. Flash video .FLV was the big game changer as by 2006 everyone had flash, it was only a few megabytes as a plugin and reasonably simple to setup so it's no surprise YouTube soon came onto the scene. The downside was it was sheer hell to play back nicely on Macs and I had all sorts of ludicrious code checks that would dynamically change the quality of a flash site to cope with video. Anything else like .avi or .divx and so on were as mentioned hacked versions of other codecs or open source attempts (.mvk). And there were RealMedia and Qucktime Alternative codecs that were really handy in performing acts of magic in converting or editing obtuse video files. And back in the dark days it was downloading some incarnation of a codec pack which if not properly checked would cause all manner of strife.
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while we're talking about esoteric formats gently caress flac in theory i like it, a lossless compression format to make archival copies of cds. gets a 700 mb cd down to like a 250 mb flac album. great if you have a cd collection or rare poo poo you want to preserve. but its audiophiles that listen to flac, that use it as a distribution format on the internet. ive downloaded packs of samples recorded in flac??? the DAC in your computer's integrated soundcard or your cell phone i guarantee is not capable of recreating the difference between a high quality mp3 and a flac rip let alone your own ears in a double blind tightly controlled comparison. also why bother using a weird lossless compression audio format for 10 second samples of you slappin' a bass, you prob dont even gain anything compared to wav if you are compressing them to send them to someone anyways
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Does anyone remember Vivo? It was a very early streaming video player. Mostly used for porn in the 90's. Blocky, low res, buffering porn...
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nigga crab pollock posted:while we're talking about esoteric formats OTOH flac is pretty great for the first purpose you mentioned. I'm helping my dad digitize his 500+ CD collection now, and while MP3s are fine for when he's driving around or using an iPod on a flight, even my untrained ears can hear a difference between v0 mp3 and flac on his high-end system. RE: WinRAR, weirdly enough, while a lot of the Chinese manufacturers and component suppliers are using cracked versions of AutoCAD on a cracked WinXP system, I saw multiple instances of legitimately registered copies of WinRAR  Also I'm pretty sure WinRAR stops you from using it after the trial period. Meanwhile WinZIP just politely asks you to register, and I think my dad's ham radio room computer has to be at like, day 7000+ of the shareware, since he's literally been using the same Win98 box for more than 20 years.
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Lowen SoDium posted:Does anyone remember Vivo? It was a very early streaming video player. Mostly used for porn in the 90's. Blocky, low res, buffering porn... holy poo poo i watched the titanic movie trailer with that lol.
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Last Chance posted:How sure are you? Not sure enough to download it and check, that's for sure
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drunk asian neighbor posted:Also I'm pretty sure WinRAR stops you from using it after the trial period. The hell it does
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It just doesn't have the helpful counter like WinZIP used to have 
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drunk asian neighbor posted:even my untrained ears can hear a difference between v0 mp3 and flac on his high-end system. Did you double-blind test it? Even single-blind testing can be suspect if e.g. your dad plays the mp3, then says "Now listen to THIS" excitedly and puts on the flac, you'll pick up that he thinks the second one is better. I rip to FLAC because disk space is cheap and it's the most versatile way to store my music (I can convert to anything from flac), but I don't pretend I can hear a difference.
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I remember watching poo poo on Winamp using the SHOUTcast TV plugin and being super stoked when I found a different plugin that allowed me to rip whatever I was watching.
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Lowen SoDium posted:Does anyone remember Vivo? It was a very early streaming video player. Mostly used for porn in the 90's. Blocky, low res, buffering porn... The free player could play a video from start to finish, but wouldn't let you skip around. Everything was grainy like a badly dithered gif. Ranma_OAV_1234-Pandas_and_Panties.viv 
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Quicktime? Someone a few pages back mentioned QTvr, but there were a few more Quicktime plug-ins that you could toss onto a 90s mac. Think they were incompatible with newer QT builds so you probably ended up having like 3 versions of the program just in case. loving with codecs is the worst. Especially on a mac. But you can just throw VLC at it and walk away, unlike having to download the DefilerPak or K-Lite or whatever drat lame codec your 480p Anime rip torrent recommends. WebDog posted:I spent two hours downloading the Phantom Menace trailer in 1998. The internet was really a different, weirder place without easily-compressed audio/video and bountiful bandwidth. I remember another forum I was on hotlinking SA images to really stick it to Lowtax (56k no way). LOL hope you enjoy the MASSIVE hosting bill you get Richard  I never got FLAC, and I'm pretty spergy with the audio. Nothing I had played that poo poo. In my early 20s, I decided I was going to collect all my audio in the format of the future (.OGG) and then got a HP MP3 player that wouldn't gently caress with that so I went all in with MP3. Everything's streamed at loving 196 anyway so gently caress my ears.
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drunk asian neighbor posted:Also I'm pretty sure WinRAR stops you from using it after the trial period. Meanwhile WinZIP just politely asks you to register, and I think my dad's ham radio room computer has to be at like, day 7000+ of the shareware, since he's literally been using the same Win98 box for more than 20 years. I've had the opposite experience - WinRAR keeps working even after the "trial" is done and just asks for donations. I use it on my home and work computers, still works regardless of version.
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Cojawfee posted:Schadenfreude was at an all time high when torrent sites moved away from xvid or whatever to normal codecs. All the people who were burning CDs for their grandparents to play on DVD players got super mad that torrent aggregators were abandoning it while totally unaware that torrent websites don't create the torrents. How dare these nerds not provide me with this free product in exactly the poo poo quality I want it. I don't understand how anyone would have encountered this because unless you had a DivX compatible player you would still need to transcode the video to have it play on a standard DVD player. That also brings up another forgotten and awful relic: transcoding. I had a weed dealer who would accept payment in the form of pirated movies so I would often burn multiple scene rips a week. In 2007 my family purchased a 1st gen Intel Core2Duo and I remember being amazed that transcoding worked out to being roughly the same length as the movie (my Pentium 4 averaged about double). Around Christmas last year I burnt a movie for my father on my i7; transcoding took about 12 minutes. 
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FilthyImp posted:
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Gay Weed Dad posted:I don't understand how anyone would have encountered this because unless you had a DivX compatible player you would still need to transcode the video to have it play on a standard DVD player. i remember spending hours encoding an SVCD back in the day
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Gay Weed Dad posted:I don't understand how anyone would have encountered this because unless you had a DivX compatible player you would still need to transcode the video to have it play on a standard DVD player. I don't know the specifics because I was never dumb enough to download a TV show episode and then burn it to a disc to watch on a DVD player. I'm guessing they had divx compatible players and they would burn the file to a disc and put it on the player. When the scene moved on to better codecs, the people couldn't just burn the file to a disc and play it on their DVD player anymore. They got really upset and started posting on the forums of the free torrent sites. Edit: Here's a quote from May 2012 quote:i will tell you all what is the prob with mp4... its all well and goo d watching it on your comp . quote:ok, so now i see what is going on here. the "scene" are upset because anybody can download and Cojawfee has a new favorite as of 19:19 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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I remember replacing my first generation DVD player with a cheap-o about a decade later and being floored that I could load a DVD full of mp3s and play them, jukebox style, on my sound system, connected through an optical cable, no less. (Sure, they weren't losslessly transcoded from the original CDs, but I wasn't some millionaire who could afford the disk space, so 192kbps it was.) I had a 5 disc CD changer that just collected dust after that. The dream of being able to load a *thing* full of an endless supply of music, that wasn't a big humming desktop computer, and was connected to a good stereo system was something I sorta chased. There were times I wanted to drop the dollars on a 100-disc CD changer, and I'm glad I never did. Now I have a tiny computer connected to my sound system that'll play all those mp3s, any video file I can throw at it, not to mention FLAC, but danged if I'm going to go through all that CD ripping again. The DVD player plays CDs just fine. I know Neil Young started some kind of high-def store for high-bitrate music, if that sort of thing ever catches on and becomes common, I'll worry about replacing my music then. 192kbps will just have to cut it for now, my years of worrying whether I'm getting the best audio experience are pretty much done. doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 19:12 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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drunk asian neighbor posted:even my untrained ears can hear a difference between v0 mp3 and flac on his high-end system. Uhhh no they can't.
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ChesterJT posted:Uhhh no they can't. If he tells himself he can enough times, then he really can. Don't you know how anatomic science works, dude?
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At the bitrate where no one can legit tell the difference even with high end headphones you may as well use flac because it'll only be around double (or triple tops) the bitrate. Which would be a big deal if we were talking video but we're talking a few hundred megs per CD here.
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I definitely heard the difference between FLAC and 320kbps mp3. The mp3 wasn't worse, per se, but it did sound different enough that I could tell which one was which. Still, a decent quality mp3 is good enough for everything except super-  audiophools so whatever.It's interesting that image compression stagnated so much, relatively speaking. There was jpeg2000... 16 years ago and even that isn't being used.
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mobby_6kl posted:I definitely heard the difference between FLAC and 320kbps mp3. The mp3 wasn't worse, per se, but it did sound different enough that I could tell which one was which. Nope.
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People have successfully AB tested between 320 and mp3- for certain works. Artifacting necessarily exists.
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