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CPColin posted:I'm ashamed that it took until they said, "I'm sure you two will go on to many exciting adventures!" before I realized "Assignment: Earth" was a backdoor pilot. There's some godawful comics based on the idea.
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Aug 25, 2016 05:37
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Railing Kill posted:"Computer: create a baseball team with Sandy Koufax and Herman Goering as a battery. Randomize the rest of the players." *smiles smugly* "Yeah, this'll go real well." *Team composed entirely of Joe Piscopoes materializes*
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:There are people today who rewatch Super Bowls and Stanley Cup playoffs. Why wouldn't someone watch an awesome World Series match on the holodeck? Archer used to enjoy kicking back to watch vids of whatever the water polo equivalent of the world cup is. 
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Aug 25, 2016 05:55
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Knormal posted:"Computer: Create a baseball team made up of history's greatest players." Somewhere there's a scrapped episode where Joe Piscopo gains sentience and takes control of the Enterprise.
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Aug 25, 2016 06:03
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CPColin posted:I'm ashamed that it took until they said, "I'm sure you two will go on to many exciting adventures!" before I realized "Assignment: Earth" was a backdoor pilot. Assignment: Earth is a fun (and cool and good) episode, but it's really pretty hilarious from a Star Trek point of view. It's just one minor rewrite away from not needing to have the Enterprise crew in it at all. That said, awkward backdoor pilot or no, I always felt like that was a route Star Trek really could have gone down. So many Trek episodes involve the crew showing up on a planet, dicking around for a while, and watching as the plot resolves itself without them doing much, that sometimes I wonder if Trek couldn't have thrived as an anthology show. The guest stars are often the best characters on the show because they're free to grow and change and do horrible things or die tragically without the writers slamming down on the reset button. The stakes are always higher when there's an interesting guest star involved (because we know that nothing that happens to the main cast will ever stick), and it would be really interesting to see what you could do if you maintained Trek's basic premise, but really emphasized the crew's role as observers. So many episodes creak under the strain of squeezing the crew into a plot that isn't really about them, or suffer by being about the dangerous high stakes adventures of people who aren't actually allowed to suffer permanent consequences, that taking the crew out of the equation more often might have been really liberating for the writers.
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Aug 25, 2016 06:07
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I vaguely remember Kate Muglrew not being the original choice for the lead on the show, Genevieve something was the first choice? I'd just google it but usually Timby has some amazing backstory you don't find in a random search.
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Aug 25, 2016 06:52
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Well the original spec for Star Trek was "wagon Train to the Stars" a space version of wagon train, which I understand was largely anthology based. The wagon train of wagon train would just transport settlers and check in on trading posts, while the wagon train crew(?), and the original idea for Star Trek was to have the ship largely visit earth colonies and take experts to important planets. This idea survived late into the shows development before they decided to focus on episodic story telling and the bridge crew, and have the ship mostly visit alien planets and "where no man has gone before".
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Aug 25, 2016 06:54
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Rhyno posted:I vaguely remember Kate Muglrew not being the original choice for the lead on the show, Genevieve something was the first choice? I'd just google it but usually Timby has some amazing backstory you don't find in a random search. Oh yeah, there's a few scenes on Youtube. She was awful.
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Rhyno posted:I vaguely remember Kate Muglrew not being the original choice for the lead on the show, Genevieve something was the first choice? I'd just google it but usually Timby has some amazing backstory you don't find in a random search. Geneviève Bujold played her estranged sister, Nicole Janeway! 
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Watching the first DS9 episode with Odo's people. Odo: Changelings? Female Changeling: It's a name given to us by the Solids. They meant it as an insult, but in defiance we took it and made it our own. Girlfriend: OH! So it's their N-Word.
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MikeJF posted:Oh yeah, there's a few scenes on Youtube. She was awful. The scene that exists with her is 90% meaningless bullshit technobabble. It's hilarious that the first shooting day they started off with something that is literally just the actors trying to sell terrible dialogue before they're given a chance to actually act. I mean, she didn't sell the dialogue, but it could totally be the director leaving her flailing in the loving wind and her having no idea what the words she is saying could possibly mean. Watching it makes me embarrassed for the writers. It underlines how lazy and formulaic things were from the start of voyager.
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Yeah, if you edited out all the nonsensical technobabble from Voyager, you'd probably lose at least two seasons worth of air time. I feel like the Voyager writers never understood how to sell it at all. You're supposed to use it dress up something else that's actually happening, not use it to be the plot point in and of itself. If an energy beam hits your helmsman and turns him into a macaque, that's the plot point and anything you come up with about it reconfoobulating his plasmanoids is just there to explain how the hell such a crazy thing is happening. Now, that's bad enough and Voyager did it plenty, but the other thing they did, which is just completely baffling, is they'd announce that "his plasmanoids are being reconfoobulated!" and make that be the plot point. Not only do none of us know what that means (I guess it's bad though!), but then they'd solve it 30 seconds of camera shaking later by shouting "quickly, we have to deconfabulate the isodynamic inversion buffer cables!" At which point, we're supposed to wipe our brow and say "whew, that was a close one!"
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I just re-watched Voyager again and it was almost like they were improvising the technobabble early on. Torres kept having to pause between thoughts and it sounded like the writers just put [TECHNOBABBLE] in the script and the actors were winging it without rehearsing. "We could fire a dekyon beam at the leading edge of the anomaly and.......create a....inverse symmetrical warp field and channel it inwards" It's no wonder the first janeway was having so much trouble.
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I had only ever seen the scene in the badlands where they get grabbed to the delta quadrant, which is entirely lacking in intensity... I didn't realize there was more. https://youtu.be/SaWyA6F3Qxc Like, some of that is pretty darned good for early production. The waterless planet stuff sells really well, and she feels troubled in the tuvok scene. You have to change your expectations a little, because she's certainly playing a more brooding and thoughtful character then Mulgrew, but that's fine. The bridge stuff is definitely subdued. T.C. fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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Her delivery is very stilted and her inflection keeps changing. Is she trying to hide an accent?
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Duckbag posted:Her delivery is very stilted and her inflection keeps changing. Is she trying to hide an accent? I think she's just doing the accent that she has
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Aug 25, 2016 09:19
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You can hear her audibly pull up every time she has to say something even vaguely technical.
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Fat Shat Sings posted:it sounded like the writers just put [TECHNOBABBLE] in the script and the actors were winging it without rehearsing. Isn't this actually what they did? I remember someone ITT mentioning it a while back. Like, the scripts were written with "Technobabble" or "Piller Filler" where a big pile of technobabble ought to be, and LeVar Burton or Colm Meany or Roxanne Dawson would just make poo poo up? Knormal posted:"Computer: Create a baseball team made up of history's greatest players." "Computer: Create a baseball team capable of losing to the 1962 New York Mets." *Nine Michael Jordans materialize*
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Aug 25, 2016 11:48
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Computer, create a basketball player capable of dunking on Data.
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Aug 25, 2016 14:11
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It's pretty much peak Voyager that they had an actor just do technobabble for a screen test
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Aug 25, 2016 14:12
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Rhyno posted:There's some godawful comics based on the idea. By your favourite writer/artist! Also, I feel like Gary Seven is what you'd get if a US network tried to make Doctor Who.
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Pakled posted:Computer, create a basketball player capable of dunking on Data. Bugs Bunny materializes.
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Aug 25, 2016 14:45
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WARP PARTICLES! They had parts where they would just write "we have to (tech) the (tech)!" Then another writer would come in to add in sciencey words.
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The thing that really bugs me about that approach to techno babble is that it would have been easier to just spend an hour or two laying down same basic rules in the show bible and then inserting them into the scripts instead of making something up whole sale each time. Time fuckery: chronoton particles Warp drive related: subspace and or tachyons Something bad is happening: reverse the polarity Especially by the time Voyager rolled around enough of that kind of stuff was de facto established that there really was no excuse for stuff like Warp Particles.
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T.C. posted:The scene that exists with her is 90% meaningless bullshit technobabble. It's hilarious that the first shooting day they started off with something that is literally just the actors trying to sell terrible dialogue before they're given a chance to actually act. It all sounds so sterile without the FX. sunday at work posted:The thing that really bugs me about that approach to techno babble is that it would have been easier to just spend an hour or two laying down same basic rules in the show bible and then inserting them into the scripts instead of making something up whole sale each time. Annular Confinement Beam is Teleporter AoE poo poo. Gravimetric is some curvature of space gravity bullshit. Biogenic is some neural energy field bullshit. The rest is usually bullshit made up to give the plot some meaning or menace. "Captain, their weapons are emitting theta-band radiation. Our sensors are useless!" "B'Elanna, can we use the deflector array to deploy a modular radiogenic pulse? That might--" "Cause runaway Theta decay! They'll be lit up like Christmas trees!" FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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I like to think Paris puttering around with  internal combustion mechanics has some of that Treknobabble going on."I just don't get it Neelix, everything I try just makes the car go slower" "We had a problem like that on Talaxian RefugeShip #277... As I recall, the commander decided to jettison some extra weight. About 50 bowls of Leeola Root smoothies later, the entire crew was at least 10 lbs lighter each!" "Hey wait a minute... if I reroute the gasolinotic lines through the central carbobulator--" "It might produce enough pressure to aerate the main Gofastium drive!" "Yeah. I'll have to reinforce the lubricator array with rarified Pennzoilium, but this might just work" //later// "Alright, time to start this baby u--" //Holocar explodes//
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Man, Future's End is horrifying. They panned across the LA boardwalk and it took a few seconds for me to realize that yes, this is what 1996 actually looked like.
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Aug 25, 2016 18:24
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Timby posted:The Corbomite Maneuver, The Man Trap and one other episode (I forget which one -- Charlie X, maybe?) were screened for NBC executives, and they chose The Man Trap to be the "real" premiere of the show. Pretty sure it was Mudd's Women that was the third one for consideration.
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Railing Kill posted:Isn't this actually what they did? I remember someone ITT mentioning it a while back. Like, the scripts were written with "Technobabble" or "Piller Filler" where a big pile of technobabble ought to be, and LeVar Burton or Colm Meany or Roxanne Dawson would just make poo poo up? It's about half-right. There was a convention whereby the writers would put [TECH] in the script, but that wasn't for the actors to ad-lib; the script would get sent to the art department where the turbo-nerds like Rick Sternbach and Mike Okuda worked (same guys who wrote the Tech manuals) and they would try to fill in the appropriate technobabble for what the writers were calling for. That said, Naren Shankar also claimed in an interview that a Mad Libs-style technobabble generator which had been sent to the TNG writers as a gag/spoof had at some point been taken up in earnest as a tool by the Voyager writers to string together technobabble.
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Michael Piller apparently really didn't like that "Piller Filler" became a standard term for script-padding technobabble.
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Railing Kill posted:Isn't this actually what they did? I remember someone ITT mentioning it a while back. Like, the scripts were written with "Technobabble" or "Piller Filler" where a big pile of technobabble ought to be, and LeVar Burton or Colm Meany or Roxanne Dawson would just make poo poo up? That job fell to whoever was the science advisor at the time. You can imagine how much work went into the writers getting the science guy to understand exactly what needed to happen. I think Okuda complained that his input would be ignored whenever it was inconvenient. So lazy. Supposedly Ron Moore inserted the tongue in cheek technobabble scene with Riker and the Ferengi guy in Rascals. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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Rhyno posted:Man, Future's End is horrifying. They panned across the LA boardwalk and it took a few seconds for me to realize that yes, this is what 1996 actually looked like. You are not far behind me. Imo they should have left behind Janeway with her pants suit, and gone with Captain Hobo. The bitch sold him out to the cops. Series 3 is a slog. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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Can we agree that Mark Twain in Time's Arrow is the most annoying character in any episode of TNG, if not in Star Trek as a whole?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxCW9xmamzQ Shame on you, Mr. Clemens. Shame.
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Momotaros posted:Can we agree that Mark Twain in Time's Arrow is the most annoying character in any episode of TNG, if not in Star Trek as a whole? *angry twain noises* Absolutely not he's a loving treasure and I'll always think of Mark Twain as his depiction in TNG.
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Momotaros posted:Can we agree that Mark Twain in Time's Arrow is the most annoying character in any episode of TNG, if not in Star Trek as a whole? Knowing that it's Deep Throat from X-Files just makes all those scenes hilarious.
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After The War posted:Knowing that it's Deep Throat from X-Files just makes all those scenes hilarious. Oh man. I didn't even know that.
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After The War posted:Knowing that it's Deep Throat from X-Files just makes all those scenes hilarious. What in the goddamn! I had no idea, this changes EVERYTHING
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