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well there's this in the article (which is a gold mine btw)quote:The judge, she said, ordered the mental examination because he objected to her speaking in Hawaiian in court. so she apparently claims to speak hawaiian but doesn't want to 'get into' her personal ethnicity. two of her three names are certainly hawaiian. elsewhere it says she was born on the mainland and came over at a young age - either she was born to at least one hawaiian on the mainland or she gave herself a bunch of hawaiian names and decided to (pretend to?) speak hawaiian in court to piss a bunch of people off the 'samurai code' part doesn't have much to do with her ethnicity but it's hard to take part of that article without including something crazy she thinks or says like seriously this facebook post  'some ___ say', 'some are saying', etc may just be one of trump's greatest legacies
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oystertoadfish posted:well there's this in the article (which is a gold mine btw) Beware the donkey sorcerers!
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Beware the donkey sorcerers! Donkeymancer casts Power Word Yeehawww. 
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Beware the donkey sorcerers!
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Donald Trump is trying to win the African-American vote by repeatedly saying the words 'African-American.' I wonder if it will work
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The Larch posted:Gee, I wonder what's going on in that special election in Hawaii? I dunno she seems like generic crazy religious type. Maybe Texas politics has made me jaded but I just don't see quote:Kaaihue’s online campaign material features a photo of Howard Kim, her boyfriend who posted bail for her in the past, wearing a police uniform and making the statement, “I’m healthy and cancer-free!” oh my god
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FlamingLiberal posted:Clearly Trump running for President opened the 7th Seal for bad political candidates this year or something I don't think it did that; I think it opened the 7th Seal for news organizations to realize that people will read about this stuff.
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The Groper posted:I'm volunteering in the district next to mine since mine is conyers D-locked district, what's the worst stuff Dave Trott has done so I can be effectively outraged tonight? He's pretty much a very conservative generic back-bencher. Anti-gay, Anti-choice, etc. Nothing extremely special. He said that the 50's were one of the best decades for Americans (black people either don't count as Americans or had it much better than we think), but that is pretty standard Republican thought.
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The Groper posted:I'm volunteering in the district next to mine since mine is conyers D-locked district, what's the worst stuff Dave Trott has done so I can be effectively outraged tonight? He was the GOP establishment's choice to get rid of Kerry Bentivolio. Google him, he was, shall we say, eccentric... Here's a New Republic post from 2014 on Trott that should give you some ammo: Michigan's 'Foreclosure King' Is Trying to Win a Seat in Congress
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Gorilla Desperado posted:He was the GOP establishment's choice to get rid of Kerry Bentivolio. Google him, he was, shall we say, eccentric... Paradox Games is really jumping genres like crazy!
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Paradox Games is really jumping genres like crazy!
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Just play President 4Ever while crying like everybody else does.
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frankenfreak posted:Great, now I wish Paradox actually made an American politics game. I find that the After the End mod for CK2 realistically simulates American politics
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Cliff Racer posted:Just play President 4Ever while crying like everybody else does. Jazerus posted:I find that the After the End mod for CK2 realistically simulates American politics
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is there an lp of that after the end mod going on? i know there used to be one i wanna read a, like, completionist after the end lp
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thethreeman posted:https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/769208113559900160 Why is this good? Seems bad to me.
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Cliff Racer posted:Just play President 4Ever while crying like Donald Trump does. Ftfy
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axeil posted:Why is this good? Seems bad to me. did you read the tweets? e: as in, by 'tweetstorm' I meant he followed the one I posted with several more explaining it Hi argument is while gerrymandering is generically bad, the population distribution in IL makes it so that it's hard to come up with districts where the split of D/R district reps/state legislators is proportionally in line with the split of state-wide popular D/R vote. So while the democratic party's gerrymandering is gerrymandering (bad for democracy), it leads to state-wide proportional representation (good for democracy) thethreeman has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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The Larch posted:Gee, I wonder what's going on in that special election in Hawaii?  This is all I can think of when I see her comments about Gabbard. (From this Chick Tract.)
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axeil posted:Why is this good? Seems bad to me. because it helps Democrats
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thethreeman posted:did you read the tweets? I disagree, putting part of the South Side of Chicago in the same district as farmland is not helpful for representing the people of Illinois. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois%27s_2nd_congressional_district
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The X-man cometh posted:I disagree, putting part of the South Side of Chicago in the same district as farmland is not helpful for representing the people of Illinois. if you combine the city into one or two districts you end up illegally packing black voters into a single district. it's all a bit more complicated than how you portray it. il-2 is actually probably one of the best drawn districts in the chicago area. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 02:06 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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The person making the tweets was talking about the state legislature, fwiw, though the ruling obviously applies at the national level too. I tend to think that "like or linked communities" should be the most important factor and thus disagree with him but its not like there's no possible way to see merit in his arguments.
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Cliff Racer posted:The person making the tweets was talking about the state legislature, fwiw, though the ruling obviously applies at the national level too. I tend to think that "like or linked communities" should be the most important factor and thus disagree with him but its not like there's no possible way to see merit in his arguments. i would point to the california redistricting process to see how "like" communities ended up springing out of nowhere to influence the district drawing process. lobbyists would come in and testify as to how everyone in X area is really concerned about an endangered species and they should draw them all into one district, and of course those lobbyists were conected to the california democratic party or whoever. i think you really can't just say, ok all rural towns are districted with rural towns and all suburbs are districted with suburbs. that's not really possible nor does it give you particularly desirable districts - they are usually just gerrymandered in a different fashion. really the only actual solution is to end single member districts and introduce party list parliament-type systems. those obviously have their own problems, but it is the actual only way to solve the problem of districts.
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California's system got hosed up a bit because Democrats gamed it while Republicans stupidly sat back and didn't send anyone in to argue their case. Its existed as a philosophical argument for far longer than the 2010 cycle though. That said the results are still a lot more representative of the areas the districts are in than they had been previously and can really only be said to have been positive overall.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i would point to the california redistricting process to see how "like" communities ended up springing out of nowhere to influence the district drawing process. lobbyists would come in and testify as to how everyone in X area is really concerned about an endangered species and they should draw them all into one district, and of course those lobbyists were conected to the california democratic party or whoever. Yeah, that was well played by Team Blue, and I don't see it as a problem going forward. The Republicans in this state won't allow themselves to be so completely outmaneuvered again in 2020, it'll turn into a reasonably fair adversarial process before an independent adjudicator, which is a pretty big step in the right direction.
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Jack of Hearts posted:Yeah, that was well played by Team Blue, and I don't see it as a problem going forward. The Republicans in this state won't allow themselves to be so completely outmaneuvered again in 2020, it'll turn into a reasonably fair adversarial process before an independent adjudicator, which is a pretty big step in the right direction. well the point is, it's really easy to come up with a million reasons why communities have shared issues that demand they share a district. maybe two communities share access to a single water supply that is affected by drought, so they need a representative who will be responsive to their water needs. it's more arbitrary than it might seem on the surface. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 15:43 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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He has a point re: IL, that a pure focus on communities of interest would result in a handful of ultra-Democratic (D+70ish) districts around Chicago and a bunch of somewhat-GOP districts covering the rest of the state, yielding a GOP delegation even while Dems win the vote. It's a hard problem to avoid when Dems tend to all want to live in the same area
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I disagree, a lot of Illinois' suburbs are lean Democratic and so much of the state really is located in Chicagoland. I think a non-gerrymandered legislature will still elect Democratic majorities. Bear in mind that "communities of interest" would still result in some downstate Democrats being elected too because it would put some of the more urban downstate areas together, just not to the extent that they are now.
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NYT Upshot has started doing Senate predictions (I guess Wisconsin is considered a lost cause for Republicans at this point) They give the Dems a 60% shot at controlling the chamber (including 50-50 tie with VP tiebreaker)
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I see no 538 on that list, the salt is palpable. Also what are PW and PEC? Is one of them that lovely one that said Democrats were going to win in 2014? edit: Yeah, its PEC, feel free to discount that one's numbers. Cliff Racer has issued a correction as of 16:51 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:well the point is, it's really easy to come up with a million reasons why communities have shared issues that demand they share a district. maybe two communities share access to a single water supply that is affected by drought, so they need a representative who will be responsive to their water needs. it's more arbitrary than it might seem on the surface. Every system of representation is arbitrary, though. Until we get a benevolent AI to rule over us all, I'm mostly just concerned with the kinds of arbitrariness that allow deliberate abuses of power.
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Cliff Racer posted:I see no 538 on that list, the salt is palpable. wait isnt pec Sam Wang, ie the best model?
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mastershakeman posted:wait isnt pec Sam Wang, ie the best model?
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Cliff Racer posted:I see no 538 on that list, the salt is palpable. You might think that 538 isn't on the list of Senate forecasts because they don't have a Senate forecast, but no, I'm sure it's salt.
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mandatory lesbian posted:chicagoland is such a dumb name, it sounds like a theme park the metroplex sounds dorkier imo
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