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Periphery posted:I just find that at a certain point the whole "kill orcs take back your old city" thing becomes a cake walk and boring. Then by the time you've hosed the Orcs off you are such a powerhouse that everything else is a bit trivial. Oh no, I do agree with you that painting the map your color does get boring eventually. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the core of the Total War experience; attempts to diverge from it usually get hamstrung by AI limitations or overtuned AI aggression like in VH difficulty.
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AttitudeAdjuster posted:The whinging about the price of the Beastmen DLC was ludicrous, particularly on Reddit.
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Periphery posted:I just find that at a certain point the whole "kill orcs take back your old city" thing becomes a cake walk and boring. Then by the time you've hosed the Orcs off you are such a powerhouse that everything else is a bit trivial. I suppose that's the nature of the game really though. Once you get the ball rolling there's nothing the computer can do to stop you.
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Periphery posted:Are there any cool LL's that are based somewhere else that they could introduce at some point? AFAIK, there's not many named dwarf lords outside the World's Edge Mountains. There's some potential with Josef Bugman or Prince Ulther to have an entirely grudge-based campaign and starting on the western fringes of the Empire, but they both only command single units of dwarfs.
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Aug 25, 2016 14:43
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Endorph posted:I mean, the bretonnians were blatantly unfinished. This was known well in advance, though. 'Blatantly' gives the impression that CA promised full Bretonnians but decided to skimp and try to sneak it by customers. Yet CA was very up front about their long term plan to add factions in as DLC and which ones would be in at launch. Chaos is a separate issue, but even there they made them free for the first week. I can understand discontent with the price of Beastmen even if I disagree with it, but this just seems silly.
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rockopete posted:This was known well in advance, though. 'Blatantly' gives the impression that CA promised full Bretonnians but decided to skimp and try to sneak it by customers. Yet CA was very up front about their long term plan to add factions in as DLC and which ones would be in at launch. Chaos is a separate issue, but even there they made them free for the first week. I can understand discontent with the price of Beastmen even if I disagree with it, but this just seems silly.
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Aug 25, 2016 15:05
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Endorph posted:them saying it in advance doesn't make the bretonnians not feel incomplete? Like I enjoy the game too but the guy said 'it's not like the game is incomplete' and I pointed out an element of the game that feels incomplete. But they aren't? Bretonnia was never sold to us. It was always from the very beginning going to be Empire/VC, Orks/Dwarfs, and Chaos. Bretonnia wasn't even mentioned, outside of them basically saying it'd be the freeLC and they spent some of their time after Gold loving around with fleshing them out a bit. This whole game is built around pairs. Empire has the VC, Dwarfs have the Orks, Chaos is anti everyone. Had Bretonnia been in at launch, it'd still have been "incomplete" because they would have had nobody to pair against. Without the Beastmen/Wood Elves they lack any real flavored questline. What would you have done, forced the various Duchies to stop infighting and then.......stand around while the Empire fought Chaos? Looked lustfully at Estalia and Tilea, wishing for the days of Beastmen/Skaven pouring into your southern regions? Gone to sea to fight Araby?
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Aug 25, 2016 15:14
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Endorph posted:them saying it in advance doesn't make the bretonnians not feel incomplete? Like I enjoy the game too but the guy said 'it's not like the game is incomplete' and I pointed out an element of the game that feels incomplete. They haven't been released yet... 
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Aug 25, 2016 15:16
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It's standard practice in all of the recent TW games to have a bunch of factions that at release are a small step above completely generic that everyone knows will be made playable through DLC later on. And since those factions get updated for everyone even if they don't buy the DLC it's win-win. The only thing unusual about Brettonia is how much work got put into them long before they were made playable, and that it's pretty much just them and not 15 other on-map factions that will get fleshed out later. Kislev, Estalia, Tilea, and the Border Princes kinda fall into the same catagory, except that it's somewhat unlikely they'll ever be made into full races just because of the constraints of the licensed game never making them real armies leaves the whole thing up in the air.
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Aug 25, 2016 15:25
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Rookersh posted:This whole game is built around pairs. Empire has the VC, Dwarfs have the Orks, Chaos is anti everyone. Had Bretonnia been in at launch, it'd still have been "incomplete" because they would have had nobody to pair against. Without the Beastmen/Wood Elves they lack any real flavored questline. What would you have done, forced the various Duchies to stop infighting and then.......stand around while the Empire fought Chaos? Looked lustfully at Estalia and Tilea, wishing for the days of Beastmen/Skaven pouring into your southern regions? Gone to sea to fight Araby?
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Aug 25, 2016 15:38
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Bretonnia are not unfinished in the same way, say, Rome 2 was unfinished.
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madmac posted:It's standard practice in all of the recent TW games to have a bunch of factions that at release are a small step above completely generic that everyone knows will be made playable through DLC later on. And since those factions get updated for everyone even if they don't buy the DLC it's win-win. Kislev is fine.  I am actually really impressed with the Russian Kislevite mod, they've actually added the Ice Queen and Ice Witches,. It will probably be in a very good place to play with by the time the second expansion rolls around.
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Aug 25, 2016 15:59
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ZearothK posted:Kislev is fine. 
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Mordja posted:So, uh...guess they still haven't figured out how to get custom models in yet, huh? I imagine CA is only going to release the tools for adding models when they're finished with the trilogy, otherwise they'd have to compete with the community in getting factions finished.
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ZearothK posted:Kislev is fine. the demi-bears are so bad it's good, like that george model in ut2004  edit: I got the auric armour for Sigvald and it's just like everyone said, the only things that can hurt sigvald now are basically giants. I'm having more problems with kholek now because he keeps seeming to lose the same amount of hp in battles as I can heal with a potion 
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madmac posted:Kislev, Estalia, Tilea, and the Border Princes kinda fall into the same catagory, except that it's somewhat unlikely they'll ever be made into full races just because of the constraints of the licensed game never making them real armies leaves the whole thing up in the air. Let's be fair, a hypothetical Southern Realms DLC isn't a tall order in terms of new models or mechanics. It's just so far down the priority list when stuff like Elves and Skaven are absent entirely.
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This is going to be a money train for the total war guys. Constant small dlc's just for units. Then there are the missing factions. You will have the major expansions for skaven and high elves. They still need to open up the other side of the world for the lizardmen and open up the tomb kings as well.
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I think a southern realms DLC that added a few empire sub-factions with some units removed and some units added would be fine. It'd make fighting them in campaign more interesting, at least.
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Periphery posted:Anyone else find themselves wanting a different dwarf starting position? Killing orcs all day every day is fun and all but after a while it gets a old. The 'conquer anywhere' mod + the Dwarf faction unlocker is your friend. My next dwarf playthrough is gonna be that faction that plays in the north.
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fnordcircle posted:The 'conquer anywhere' mod + the Dwarf faction unlocker is your friend. My next dwarf playthrough is gonna be that faction that plays in the north. This sounds like an awesome fun time. That position would be such a hard area. You'd have to underway death march skelling and varg to survive.
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Triggered posted:This is going to be a money train for the total war guys. Constant small dlc's just for units. Then there are the missing factions. You will have the major expansions for skaven and high elves. They still need to open up the other side of the world for the lizardmen and open up the tomb kings as well. I'm totally cool with a total war game with $200+ worth of content. That'd be great. Just endless stuff to see and do and slam together in interesting ways. Endorph posted:I think a southern realms DLC that added a few empire sub-factions with some units removed and some units added would be fine. It'd make fighting them in campaign more interesting, at least. Heck yeah, especially if they become playable in the campaign with an interesting mechanic or two.
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Triggered posted:This is going to be a money train for the total war guys. Constant small dlc's just for units. Then there are the missing factions. You will have the major expansions for skaven and high elves. They still need to open up the other side of the world for the lizardmen and open up the tomb kings as well. I'll jump on the DLC chat bandwagon: DLC's are only silly/stupid when they aren't worth the content they add. So far, I have around 130 hours into this game with the 60$ price tag + 40$ of DLCs. I paid around 70$ canadian for doom 4 which gave me around 14 hours of fun. I also pay 50$ for a cab ride downtown to drink with my friends and another 50$ for a cab ride back... this is for 4-5 hours of fun. So yes, gamers are complaining little bitches quite often.. What I think is horribly stupid is pre-ordering games for missing content. That poo poo pisses me off.
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TipsyMcStagger posted:I also pay 50$ for a cab ride downtown to drink with my friends and another 50$ for a cab ride back... this is for 4-5 hours of fun. this is completely irrelevant but holy poo poo your cabbies suck
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man i've never hated a video game country more than loving dwarves. i had nordland, middenland, reikland, and wissenland all conquered/confederated and 3 1/2 army stacks, and then out of nowhere two dwarf nations declare war on me and gently caress all my poo poo up right before the chaos invasion. you stupid short little fucknuts are gonna have only yourselves to blame when chaos kills you stubborn shitnuggets along with all the rest of us
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Pornographic Memory posted:man i've never hated a video game country more than loving dwarves. i had nordland, middenland, reikland, and wissenland all conquered/confederated and 3 1/2 army stacks, and then out of nowhere two dwarf nations declare war on me and gently caress all my poo poo up right before the chaos invasion. you stupid short little fucknuts are gonna have only yourselves to blame when chaos kills you stubborn shitnuggets along with all the rest of us Your use of gunpowder was violating their intellectual property rights. Can they really be blamed?
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Pornographic Memory posted:man i've never hated a video game country more than loving dwarves. i had nordland, middenland, reikland, and wissenland all conquered/confederated and 3 1/2 army stacks, and then out of nowhere two dwarf nations declare war on me and gently caress all my poo poo up right before the chaos invasion. you stupid short little fucknuts are gonna have only yourselves to blame when chaos kills you stubborn shitnuggets along with all the rest of us They're dwarfs, surely you did something to deserve it. What did you do
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Probably that rear end in a top hat that tried to cheat the dwarves by 2 gold.
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Pornographic Memory posted:man i've never hated a video game country more than loving dwarves. i had nordland, middenland, reikland, and wissenland all conquered/confederated and 3 1/2 army stacks, and then out of nowhere two dwarf nations declare war on me and gently caress all my poo poo up right before the chaos invasion. you stupid short little fucknuts are gonna have only yourselves to blame when chaos kills you stubborn shitnuggets along with all the rest of us Yeah I don't know what the gently caress this type of dwarf nonsense is about because this always happens to me too. Every Empire game I play now I always gently caress up the local dwarfs that won't just loving TRADE WITH ME. Why are NPC factions so hesitant to do trade agreements anyways? It's literally a good thing for everyone. Usually they get more out of the deal than me anyways.
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WHAT A GOOD DOG posted:Yeah I don't know what the gently caress this type of dwarf nonsense is about because this always happens to me too. Every Empire game I play now I always gently caress up the local dwarfs that won't just loving TRADE WITH ME. If you're playing on very hard or legendary basically no one will trade with you without a lot of massaging. Hard is the balanced option.
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toasterwarrior posted:Oh no, I do agree with you that painting the map your color does get boring eventually. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the core of the Total War experience; attempts to diverge from it usually get hamstrung by AI limitations or overtuned AI aggression like in VH difficulty. Try a campaign where you limit yourself to holding only one or two provinces and seldom raze. In my current attempt at this there remains a large faction diversity at turn 130 and the map is still dynamic.
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On the other hand, finally getting any of the Dwarfs to trade with you as Vampires is so satisfying. You've warred on their enemies while they waddled about the mountains, endured turn after turn of TALK AT ME IN YER CRUDE LANGUAGE IF YER MUST, destroyed Grimgor's hordes in apolcalyptic battles just beyond Blackfire Pass. Eastern Karaks angered by the upstart humans now roam the lowlands pillaging at will, Karl's dreams of Empire lies in ruins. It's all coming up Dwarfy. And then one turn they propose a weary acceptance of a trade deal worth 200 gold, tops.
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Aurubin posted:If you're playing on very hard or legendary basically no one will trade with you without a lot of massaging. Hard is the balanced option. Balanced in general or balanced diplomatically? If the latter, how do you mean? Does the player get diplomacy bonuses on normal that the AI doesn't?
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I think the AI is more reluctant to make deals with you on higher difficulties regardless of other factors.
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One thing you can do to butter up factions to make deals with you is a lot of gifts. The relation boost from gifts stack and I think each small gift is +10 relations. It can be expensive but useful to get certain allies or just non aggression pacts/trade deals.
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Gitro posted:I think the AI is more reluctant to make deals with you on higher difficulties regardless of other factors. Absolutely. On a Hard Empire start, I can usually secure NAPs with neighboring factions that aren't hostile or making moves to attack me with 5 turns of meeting them. With some favor from attacking their enemies and a bit more military strength, you can get trade deals. On a VH Empire start, no-one is going to sign poo poo with you unless you go hard on their enemies or dump a lot of gold into gifts.
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ChickenWing posted:this is completely irrelevant but holy poo poo your cabbies suck We have no uber yet either and our mayor was voted best mayor in the world recently. Figure that one out. Also, if you're looking for a cab any time during big holidays.. you're basically hosed. New years eve, If you don't get lucky and flag one down in the street after a drop off you're waiting from closing time (2am) to about 3-4 am for a cab to finally get you. This is when it's freezing cold and you're piss drunk. Back on topic: I'm quite liking this beastman game. it's so refreshing not to have to worry about defending places... i just casually stomp my way through empire and keep going.
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TipsyMcStagger posted:
Beastmen is a cool and fun way to play this game without getting all stressed out. I've been attacked by two full death stacks and managed to eke out a win, so you can pretty much just stealth around and gently caress up whoever you want whenever you want. You can even fight Chaos! It'd be dope if you could ally with mankind and just do dope poo poo and dunk on Franz's enemies. It could kind of make sense lore wise in that even though these twisted abominations were cast out of human society, they still don't want some vampires or orcs to come in and gently caress up their ancestral homes. Of course, Middenheim needs to burn first but Franz isn't necessarily an absolute adversary to Beastmen. Hell, Beastmen murdering Chaos makes sense since Chaos fight among themselves so much as it is, who's to say Khazrak need to bow down to Archaon? Maybe Khazrak deserves favor from the ruinous powers? MAYBE KHAZRAK IS JUST AS PRETTY AS ARCHAON AND EVERYONE SHOULD JUST STAB ARCHAON.
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Beastmen eat people and are horrible mutated monsters. Franz would cut his own dick off before allying with them.
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You guys figure they might buff existing Legendary Lords to catch up with the new ones? Vlad's all-vanguard-all-day and Ghorst's poison-everyone aside, even Volkmar is looking OP compared to the original crew since he's got super-charged Warrior Priest buffs, chariot-level disruption like Thorgrim, and turns Flagellants into suicide bombs AND gives them missile protection.
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Beastmen also style themselves as "the true children of Chaos", and will fanatically follow the will of Chaos gods with the goal of ending human civilization, even if it means enduring working together with the human "poser" chaos worshipers such as Warriors of Chaos. The very notion of order and civilization offends all beastemen, so there is no way they would ever even consider any pacts or long term peace with nations of humans, dwarfs or elves, at best they may be ok with some of the orc tribes due to their potential for more primitive savagery.
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