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Apparently Trump donated $110,000 to the "criminal" Clinton Foundation. In any other election cycle hypocrisy like this would be front page news, but I guess it's just more gasoline on the dumpster fire. Is there anything Trump can say or do that would change the minds of any of the 43% of the population that support him? Oh boy. Trump just walked back the walk back on immigration - no legal pathway for illegal immigrants after all. AMorePerfctGoonion fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Aug 26, 2016 06:17
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axe_vendetta posted:Apparently Trump donated $110,000 to the "criminal" Clinton Foundation. In any other election cycle hypocrisy like this would be front page news, but I guess it's just more gasoline on the dumpster fire. Is there anything Trump can say or do that would change the minds of any of the 43% of the population that support him? Change to -D? Osama Bin Hilterstalin-R would get 40% of the vote. As would Adolfesph Laden-D.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:20
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DemeaninDemon posted:Change to -D? No, I simply don't buy the argument that Dems are equally as hyperpartisan as Republicans. There's no left wing media that is comparably extreme as the right wing media is in this country, that spreads conspiracy theories that are obviously lies. I mean, compare Rachel Maddow to Sean Hannity. There's no comparison. It's a false equivalence.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:26
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It's not like he really has any concrete plans he's just saying whatever he thinks his current audience wants to hear, regardless if its completely contradictory to what hes said the day before.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:28
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Clinton is going on morning joe tomorrow E: by tomorrow i mean Friday morning, in case of any confusion
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Aug 26, 2016 06:29
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axe_vendetta posted:No, I simply don't buy the argument that Dems are equally as hyperpartisan as Republicans. There's no left wing media that is comparably extreme as the right wing media is in this country, that spreads conspiracy theories that are obviously lies. I mean, compare Rachel Maddow to Sean Hannity. There's no comparison. It's a false equivalence. Last Dem to dip below 40% was McGovern. The one before that was in 1924, and there was a strong third party candidate that year.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:29
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Wow, even the Breitbart dudes can't keep him on message for longer than a day.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:30
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axe_vendetta posted:No, I simply don't buy the argument that Dems are equally as hyperpartisan as Republicans. There's no left wing media that is comparably extreme as the right wing media is in this country, that spreads conspiracy theories that are obviously lies. I mean, compare Rachel Maddow to Sean Hannity. There's no comparison. It's a false equivalence. Yes they are. Computer parts with the assist. You're correct on the media part though.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:34
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computer parts posted:Last Dem to dip below 40% was McGovern. McGovern was hardly extremist, he merely wanted an end to the Vietnam war. The Democratic party simply couldn't produce a candidate like Trump, because he relies on the extreme right wing media that supports his conspiracy theories. I mean, what would the Democratic party equivalent of a Trump even look like?
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Aug 26, 2016 06:37
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Pakled posted:https://twitter.com/joannarothkopf/status/768935079158620160  Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?
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Aug 26, 2016 06:40
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computer parts posted:Last Dem to dip below 40% was McGovern. Right so the Democratic party even approaches pacifism or socialism they can't make 40%. Not seeing how Actually Stalin would outdo McGovern.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:41
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axe_vendetta posted:Trigger warnings are lampooned as "pandering" (a favourite alt-right term) and "political correctness gone mad" but they actually originate in the theory of post-traumatic stress disorder. I was personally involved in a violent incident in which I felt I was going to die and couldn't watch seriously violent films for a year afterwards because they triggered, not flashbacks, but the same horrible feeling of imminent doom. I'm sure what I went through was nothing compared with what soldiers experience, so the idea of triggering is nothing to make fun of. I'm sympathetic to you and others but trigger warnings are basically pandering though. PTSD should be treated by professionals, not mitigated on college campuses. Not to mention PTSD actually manifests in about 3% of Americans at any given point. Which is a lot considering the timescale, but how much of that 3% is going to benefit from a trigger warning on a college campus? Only a handful. A lot of people recover from PTSD. So it's really just posturing. I suppose though that by law in America for instance you have the right of "reasonable accomodations" for mental health issues which could be argued for them however. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Aug 26, 2016 06:42
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axe_vendetta posted:McGovern was hardly extremist, he merely wanted an end to the Vietnam war. The Democratic party simply couldn't produce a candidate like Trump, because he relies on the extreme right wing media that supports his conspiracy theories. I mean, what would the Democratic party equivalent of a Trump even look like? Jill Stein is the closest person I can think of but it's not like she would win even if she ran for the Democratic nomination.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:44
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Dubstep Jesus posted:Jill Stein is the closest person I can think of but it's not like she would win even if she ran for the Democratic nomination. Kanye maybe.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:46
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axe_vendetta posted:McGovern was hardly extremist, he merely wanted an end to the Vietnam war. The Democratic party simply couldn't produce a candidate like Trump, because he relies on the extreme right wing media that supports his conspiracy theories. I mean, what would the Democratic party equivalent of a Trump even look like? Bill Maher, maybe.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:47
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I'm sympathetic to you and others but trigger warnings are basically pandering though. PTSD should be treated by professionals, not mitigated on college campuses. Not to mention PTSD actually manifests in about 3% of Americans at any given point. Which is a lot, but how much of that 3% is going to benefit from a trigger warning on a college campus? Only a handful. A lot of people recover from PTSD. So it's really just posturing. Is 3% the amount of people diagnosed or an estimate of the actual number of people with PTSD, diagnosed or not?
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Aug 26, 2016 06:47
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How about changing the thread title to "He was doing a standard retard"?
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Aug 26, 2016 06:50
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I'm sympathetic to you and others but trigger warnings are basically pandering though. PTSD should be treated by professionals, not mitigated on college campuses. Not to mention PTSD actually manifests in about 3% of Americans at any given point. Which is a lot considering the timescale, but how much of that 3% is going to benefit from a trigger warning on a college campus? Only a handful. A lot of people recover from PTSD. So it's really just posturing. The whole point of trigger warnings is to be polite to people who've suffered through traumatic experiences and don't want to relive them. Rape victims, as the most common example, don't need to have PTSD to not want to be reminded that being raped was a horrific experience. It's not "pandering," it's showing some basic loving empathy for people. This whole notion that people are "oversensative" is ridiculous, we live in a country where one in five women is raped. It isn't so much of a goddamn inconvenience to say, yo, this is gonna be some real poo poo, anyone who isn't ok with that be warned.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:51
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Trigger warnings are a clumsy tool but it's hard to develop a better one when a big chunk of society gets outraged that the tool should exist at all.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:51
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axe_vendetta posted:How about changing the thread title to "He was doing a standard retard"? But then how will people get the message that they need to Arzy more?
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Aug 26, 2016 06:52
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axe_vendetta posted:How about changing the thread title to "quoth the coulter: He was doing a standard retard"?
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Aug 26, 2016 06:53
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IIRC a big part of "trigger warnings" entering mainstream discourse was the large volume of Iraq War veterans coming into college campuses in the mid-late 2000's, which created the issue of how you accommodate unusually large volumes of students with PTSD. It's really telling that the origins and motivations of trigger warnings are buried in an attempt to reinforce the narrative of universities as anti-American indoctrination camps. At this point, the "trigger warning" is more political folklore than an actual substantive issue that can be argued for or against. I've completely stopped giving a poo poo, literally every time I investigate further about one of these university outrages it's either being massively misrepresented by conservative or sensationalist press or it's an isolated incident unreflective of greater policy.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:55
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axe_vendetta posted:McGovern was hardly extremist, he merely wanted an end to the Vietnam war. The Democratic party simply couldn't produce a candidate like Trump, because he relies on the extreme right wing media that supports his conspiracy theories. I mean, what would the Democratic party equivalent of a Trump even look like? I can think of a host of left leaning celebrities that would be equally as unqualified as Trump: Sean Penn, Ke$sha, Kanye....probably Ke$ha would be the best analogue though. The decay on the right has been evident for most of the new millennium. Hanging your hopes on some modern equivalent of heliocentric beliefs (Climate change denial), divine inspiration for national policy ("Was talking with God about this flat rate tax bill"), and jingo rhetoric (All brown skins gotta go) that would make Teddy blush has a finite appeal. When looking up the atmospheric composition, effect of carbon deposition, oceanic pH adjustment, modifying of seasonal patterns, and ice shelf disappearance meant checking out every library book in the "Geo-Science" wing of your library, spending months formulating a hypothesis, and years collecting data was the only way to "get a grasp on climate change"; the ability to deny science as a political tool was easy and convenient, because seriously, who the gently caress is going to go to that length to have something to say at a party to scare people? While that is cherry picking an issue, I can't think of one conservative voting issue that doesn't involve more "feel" than real data. The left has embraced the social changes, scientific advances (to some extent), and geo-political awareness that resonates with millennial voters. Now we have to do our job and show up in numbers at the polls to force the right to modify its entire platform or risk becoming obsolete. I have to believe that this election is a litmus test to see how apathetic we can be as a voting block and how vociferous antiquated, bigoted, vote-against-my-own-interest Caucasians can frighten us from showing up at the polls.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:10
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Lightning Knight posted:The whole point of trigger warnings is to be polite to people who've suffered through traumatic experiences and don't want to relive them. I'm not saying they're inherently a bad thing depending on the context. Like the poster I quoted beforehand talking about movies- it's probably a good idea to let people know what kind of movie they're going to see before they go see it for instance. Nor am I unsympathetic of people who suffered hardship. Just on college campuses they are basically pandering with how relative few people suffer PTSD overall. Not to mention if we're talking about victims of rape who gets an unmanagable flashback in a sterile college classroom probably needs professional help more than a warning about the topic of rape potentially coming up. Edit: And really this is all I'm gonna say on the topic. So I'd appreciate a reply, but I won't followup. quote:But then how will people get the message that they need to Arzy more? The arzy never stops brother. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Aug 26, 2016 07:15
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Lightning Knight posted:The whole point of trigger warnings is to be polite to people who've suffered through traumatic experiences and don't want to relive them. I think all reasonable people can agree that some kind of "warning: graphic description ahead" for violence (sexual or not) is courteous and shows a proper amount of respect for others. It's unfortunate but there is a small contingent of people who insist that no one is allowed to challenge their Unique Snowflake™ viewpoint and use the concept of "triggers" to stifle debate. They're not over-sensitive, they're just manipulative assholes who are co-opting language like "trigger" and "safe space" to force people to act the way they want them to act. It isn't a new phenomenon; religious zealots have been using "the word of God" to attempt to control other people's behavior for thousands of years.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:18
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aellisr posted:I can think of a host of left leaning celebrities that would be equally as unqualified as Trump: Sean Penn, Ke$sha, Kanye....probably Ke$ha would be the best analogue though. What do I not know about Ke$ha that makes her at all comparable to the American Mussolini? The only remotely political thing I've ever heard about her is that she objected to being forced to work with her rapist. Nelson Mandingo posted:Not to mention if we're talking about victims of rape who gets an unmanagable flashback in a sterile college classroom probably needs professional help more than a warning about the topic of rape potentially coming up. Please stop letting internet reactionary propaganda malform into your understanding of real life. The concern isn't people flying into panic attacks upon hearing the word "rape," it's graphic depictions of rape in readings and films. Things that might actually make a victim feel they're reliving their experience. And it's telling that when you want to be derisive you picked a rape victim instead of the soldiers that were the main focus of this discussion so far. Everyone with PTSD "needs professional help," but even when they're able to get it they don't remove themselves from society entirely. Doing things like getting an education can be a key part of re-entering the world after a traumatic experience. People with wounded minds are no less entitled to education than people with wounded bodies. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Aug 26, 2016 07:18
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axe_vendetta posted:McGovern was hardly extremist, he merely wanted an end to the Vietnam war. The Democratic party simply couldn't produce a candidate like Trump, because he relies on the extreme right wing media that supports his conspiracy theories. I mean, what would the Democratic party equivalent of a Trump even look like? Bernie Sanders? Like obviously the opposite of him on policy. But populist outsider. Extremely left wing news hailed him as the savior. Other primary members were unable to attack him from the left on anything but like one issue. Other than that was able to be on the offensive the entire primary. Oh are y'all only talking policies? Then no one would be able to do it because the Dems have such a big tent that you couldn't get a majority or plurality of the votes if you just go all in like that.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:19
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It is awfully rich that the people bitching about trigger warnings are the same ones who demanded movie ratings
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Aug 26, 2016 07:22
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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo God drat look at that Florida polling. Trump basically can't win without Florida, can he?
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Aug 26, 2016 07:23
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What do I not know about Ke$ha that makes her at all comparable to the American Mussolini? The only remotely political thing I've ever heard about her is that she objected to being forced to work with her rapist. O god you edited a bunch into this post as I quoted it. Anyhow Kesha became an certified marriage person to help gay people get married, didn't she? She owns, don't talk poo poo about Kesha.  Edit: in his defense, TB, I picked rape victims because it's the stereotypical scenario trigger warnings are referenced, that I was familiar with. I didn't know about the soldier thing. My bad. 
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Aug 26, 2016 07:28
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What do I not know about Ke$ha that makes her at all comparable to the American Mussolini? The only remotely political thing I've ever heard about her is that she objected to being forced to work with her rapist. You know, to be fair, Ke$ha is more qualified than Donald, my apologies. I really am drawing a blank as to what a Democratic version of Trump would look like. Someone who wants to open all borders and end all militaristic advances. Take all the wealth from the donor classes and help fund social programs. Runs on a campaign of forgiveness of all transgressions and betterment through simple living Would have to look possibly Arabic, maybe even Israeli. Comes from the poorest living conditions. Has never taken a wife. Long, flowing hair, completely ripped......... Yeah, I got nothing.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:28
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Lightning Knight posted:O god you edited a bunch into this post as I quoted it. Aw that's nice  aellisr posted:You know, to be fair, Ke$ha is more qualified than Donald, my apologies. I really am drawing a blank as to what a Democratic version of Trump would look like. We're gonna have to play it a little loose on the "looks Arabic" front, but I'm honored to accept your nomination.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:29
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If you've ever heard someone talking about a movie you haven't seen yet, and you ask them not to mention the ending, you understand the concept of a Safe Space. Similarly, a movie review that says : "Spoilers Ahead" is literally a trigger warning.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:31
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Aw that's nice Indeed.  Also I edited my post TB, directed at you. I'm fairly sure the leftist equivalent of Donald Trump would be somebody I don't think exists in modern American politics. Remember, Trump isn't just a fascist, he's also a conman. There isn't really the equivalent person in the left who is just in it for the money but has a huge following of idiots who are true believers in their ideology. Trump is unique because he's taking advantage of the weaknesses of the Southern Strategy and modern right wing media echo chambers.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:33
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Lightning Knight posted:Indeed. I saw that! We cool  Who on the left has a huge following of idiots... Oh wait poo poo I got it. Tyra Banks. Like sure she's not really a leftist but Trump isn't really a conservative, he's just a windbag that belches half-remembered talking points, and she's great at that. She's not very political but he used to not be either, AND they both have dead reality show empires.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:37
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"This program may contain strong language and some adult situations. Viewer discretion is advised." Trigger warnings have been broadcast before every slightly risqué tv show since the 90's and those groaning over TWs now had no problem with that, in fact they demanded it.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:40
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I saw that! We cool Ah, ok. I learned about the notion of safe spaces and trigger warnings as formal terms from feminist and LGBT writers, so I always associated it with victims of rape and domestic abuse, and misogynist assholes who are mad that these people would be accommodated with a modicum of empathy by other people. The idea that it originated with PTSD victims in the military is a new thing to me, though unsurprising. On Ke$ha: Wikipedia posted:Kesha is a vegetarian and an ordained minister, having been ordained online. She also has performed legal commitment ceremonies for both gay and heterosexual couples. Tyra Banks media empire is dead? I haven't heard anything about her in forever, on account of no longer watching TV anymore.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:42
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Barudak posted:Wow, even the Breitbart dudes can't keep him on message for longer than a day. When does Trump fire Breitbart?
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Lightning Knight posted:Tyra Banks media empire is dead? I haven't heard anything about her in forever, on account of no longer watching TV anymore. I can talk about this at length, but in a nutshell: She had a talk show which was cray (The Soup had great fun with clips from it), it got cancelled, she fired everyone on America's Next Top Model except herself and then it got cancelled, but now it's back on a different network but she's not starring on it anymore. My dentist's wife is a producer on the new version so I know alllll the dirt, but I can't imagine it would interest USPOL too much.
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