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I too have watched YGOTAbrS 
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Hey I just woke up. What happened with that Anderson Cooper thing? Also someone asked about the conspiracy about stuff in the water making people gay. Well my mom and aunt are all over this one. It's soy. Soy in baby formula for the past few decades is why we have gay and effeminate men now. 
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Aug 26, 2016 10:43
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Oiled and Ready posted:I think it's funny you settle on the religious test. I find that one of the least unsettling moments. It is most likely constitutional, it has been done (on a small scale) by other presidents and if it was applied as a ban on any religious-extremist country and had an exemption for refugees that were women, children or families it would be a good idea imo. Wait, when I said "religious test" I meant his November (or was it December?) Muslim ban idea. And he was a legitimate candidate since the first debate. We/pundits/the media/the GOP just didn't see it. As soon as he made that crack about Rosie O'Donnell and emerged unscathed, we were doomed. The real point I was trying to make though is basically the same as yours. He's had tons of not at all funny, legitimately scary things come out of his mouth and the response has often been either laughter or a serious discussion of his nonsense. Can any of you guys imagine a scenario where Obama could talk poo poo about war heroes and get away with it? I can't. Mr. Nice! posted:Best I've ever heard is that killer whales used to attack humans and small fishing boats all the time. They were a menace to man just as much as they are today to seal pups and baby grey whales. Orcas are extremely smart and have a tight knit community. They collectively observed the devastation of nuclear weapons and the power that man had now harnessed and the whole species swore off attacking humans ever again. I don't care if it's true or not, I choose to believe this is fact (like a Republican voter). Wikkheiser posted:Leaving aside the moral case against it, but white nationalism seems really counter-productive from a practical point of view. If you want to preserve your culture you should attempt to spread it and market it toward people outside your culture. You're right. Ideally, one nice thing about capitalism is it should incentivize people to cooperate with others of diverse origins if only for profit. White nationalism isn't even practical. 
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Aug 26, 2016 10:51
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CherryCola posted:Hey I just woke up. What happened with that Anderson Cooper thing? Be careful not to discount these fringe views before analyzing whether they have an element based in fact. Liberals are fine with accepting the analogue effect, which is that milk full of hormones causes premature development and overdevelopment in pubescent girls, yet any other related effects are derided as fringe. I don't know about soy, but many foods/products now have endocrine disruptors in their ingredients. The science isn't clear on the effects of disrupting fetal hormones, but it is accepted by the mainstream that endocrine disruptors have adverse effects in lab mice and do in fact change the levels of hormones within a newly sexed fetus. It is not a stretch to say that men with abnormally high levels of estrogen or low levels of testosterone may be more likely to be gay or feminine. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the disgust with these theories is more related to what beliefs they're usually used to validate rather than the validity of the science itself.
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Aug 26, 2016 10:56
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Someone told me drinking soy milk in my coffee would make me gay.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:00
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How else do you explain why the entirety of China and Japan are gay? All that soy sauce and tofu.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:03
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Oiled and Ready posted:Be careful not to discount these fringe views before analyzing whether they have an element based in fact. Liberals are fine with accepting the analogue effect, which is that milk full of hormones causes premature development and overdevelopment in pubescent girls, yet any other related effects are derided as fringe. The phytoestrogens in soy are ridiculously weak, and if it weren't for the unbelievable paranoia of the bodybuilding community, soy = kills T levels would never have become a thing. Even there, it's lost steam. Is there any study or research done to conclude that both A) there are significant levels of female hormones in the drinking water and B) that this is causing earlier onset of menarche/puberty than would otherwise be expected? I guess it's possible in theory but I can't imagine the hormone isn't altered bigly in the time it takes to go from cow (just guessing that this is the primary source because all water/environmental problems trace back to cattle) to human
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Aug 26, 2016 11:05
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soy made me like the color pink why mom why did u make me eat the soy
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Aug 26, 2016 11:06
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Nichael posted:Wait, when I said "religious test" I meant his November (or was it December?) Muslim ban idea. And he was a legitimate candidate since the first debate. We/pundits/the media/the GOP just didn't see it. As soon as he made that crack about Rosie O'Donnell and emerged unscathed, we were doomed. First of all, I had Trump winning the nomination as greater than 50% chance since October, so don't lump me into your lack of foresight. Crazy Cloud is one of the few posters I can name offhand who predated my prediction. Secondly, of course I can think of that because it's been happening from Obama and every other candidate for a long time - the only ground Trump broke is that he said it himself instead of feigning ignorance and having PACs or surrogates do it. An Obama ad questioning how McCain could be president when his broken sad POW fingers couldn't type emails comes to mind. Your examples of why Trump is scary continue to come from a place that thinks politics were less ugly before this race - the difference now is the nakedness of the ugliness, not the ugliness itself. Trump's scary statements are in between, when you can see where his brain gears turned and spontaneously decided upon something combustible. You keep instead bringing up rhetoric that has been used by surrogates for decades - the push poll about McCain's black baby wasn't a happy accident, such a bold move wouldn't be done without the Bush campaign's (off the record) approval.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:07
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fuckin globalists n their fuckin juice boxes makin kids gay god drat government
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Aug 26, 2016 11:10
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Epic High Five posted:The phytoestrogens in soy are ridiculously weak, and if it weren't for the unbelievable paranoia of the bodybuilding community, soy = kills T levels would never have become a thing. Even there, it's lost steam. The contention I am defending is that in sufficient quantity anything that acts as an endocrine disruptor could cause sexual "deviancy" (as in statistics). I do not know anything about what people claim is a common endocrine disruptor and from a quick look I'd guess a Nalgene bottle left out in 95 degree heat and then drank from over time would be far more noticeable than eating soy, even in large quantities.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:11
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Oiled and Ready posted:The contention I am defending is that in sufficient quantity anything that acts as an endocrine disruptor could cause sexual "deviancy" (as in statistics). I'm not sure hormone levels are connected to sexual deviancy at all, so while your concerns may be valid I'm not sure I can follow them into the realm of your conclusion And yeah older Nalgenes (most are BPA-free nowadays) are bad news in that regard. Probably still are but it's just a chemical we don't know about yet that's leeching in. You're better off with one of the more malleable ones because it's the process of hardening that introduces a lot of the ugly stuff
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Aug 26, 2016 11:16
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the idea that having more female hormones(aka being 'less of a man' hormonally) makes men gay(because a gay man is 'less of a man') is some retarded rear end pseudo science that's not based in anything
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Aug 26, 2016 11:18
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Epic High Five posted:The phytoestrogens in soy are ridiculously weak, and if it weren't for the unbelievable paranoia of the bodybuilding community, soy = kills T levels would never have become a thing. Even there, it's lost steam. Plus, this would mean you'd have to ignore that there have been gay people and fluidly gendered people since the beginning of time. These arguments are used to say that entire groups of people are somehow damaged goods and is generally associated with the whole "pussification of America" rhetoric which I find absolutely disgusting.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:19
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Turdfuzz posted:fuckin globalists n their fuckin juice boxes makin kids gay The idea that the sexing and subsequent male/female development of a previously homogeneous fetus is a complex chain of events that may be disrupted by modern industry and life isn't a crazy idea. A study I found from the Comparitive Biochemistry and Biology journal, for example, has hormone disruptors greatly reducing the average life of newts because it fucks up their norepinephrine balance. A complete disregard for the science of sex (not gender, keep your sociological and cultural superiority if you like) and a similar disregard for the science of depression, anxiety and other mental disorders in favor of a purely social-constructivist view of "normal" is a huge problem. Legitimizing complete social constructivist loons just because conservatives gently caress up any attempt to parse biological science in any way deeper than "blacks got heavy bones so they can't swim" is a recipe for disaster
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Aug 26, 2016 11:22
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I'm going to eat all the soy and become pretty and gay.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:22
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CherryCola posted:Plus, this would mean you'd have to ignore that there have been gay people and fluidly gendered people since the beginning of time. These arguments are used to say that entire groups of people are somehow damaged goods and is generally associated with the whole "pussification of America" rhetoric which I find absolutely disgusting. Yeah, I had a paragraph in there detailing examples but decided against it. I think the main thing to point out here is that people's sexuality doesn't typically change when they undergo hormone therapy, which is about as strong a refutation as I can think of. People ascribe a whole lot more to sex hormones and behavior than is maybe fair, especially in regards to testosterone and aggression
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Aug 26, 2016 11:23
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I mean yeah it's not beyond the pale to imagine cattle dumping a shitload of hormones into the water supply that a lot of municipalities aren't filtering is going to alter some things, but to go straight to sexual deviancy is presenting yourself with a big hurdle right out of the gate
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Aug 26, 2016 11:25
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I ate tofu once and now im gay
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Aug 26, 2016 11:28
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scientists putting chemicals into the water to turn alex jones into a gay frog read about it on info wars dot com
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Aug 26, 2016 11:28
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China used Tofu to turn millennials into gay lizard people who live in parents basements.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:34
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Constant Hamprince posted:scientists putting chemicals into the water to turn alex jones into a gay frog 
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Aug 26, 2016 11:37
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Upside Potential posted:China used Tofu to turn millennials into gay lizard people who live in parents basements. This actually makes the most sense because that's what Chinese people are anyway
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Aug 26, 2016 11:37
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CherryCola posted:Plus, this would mean you'd have to ignore that there have been gay people and fluidly gendered people since the beginning of time. These arguments are used to say that entire groups of people are somehow damaged goods and is generally associated with the whole "pussification of America" rhetoric which I find absolutely disgusting. Actually no, there is one (or two) ancient societies we think of as having many gay and gender fluid people. You know the ones I'm referring to. They had aqueducts and we all know they lined them with lead, so let's see what the NIMH says about lead's relation to endocrine systems.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19411819 Please note I self-identify as bisexual and more importantly I find that both cool and acceptable. If chemicals are causing sexual deviation (in the statistical sense) we should research it not to "Fix gays" but rather to see if these disruptions are causing other effects. It is possible that hormone disruption is also related to things like rising levels of depression via norepinephrine, etc
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Aug 26, 2016 11:42
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I think this is most bizarre tangent night crew has been on yet. I need more coffee.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:43
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im gonna need a romhack of SNES classic Zombies Ate My Neighbours called Globalists Turned Me Gay where you play a woke af alt-right bro trying to reverse the jew-feminista conspiracy, right the gently caress NOW!
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Aug 26, 2016 11:45
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Oiled and Ready posted:Actually no, there is one (or two) ancient societies we think of as having many gay and gender fluid people. It's not gay if you're the top. That's actual Roman reasoning.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:46
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in the end it turns out the princess was in another castle, and its you and the story ends with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head
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Aug 26, 2016 11:46
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Oiled and Ready posted:Actually no, there is one (or two) ancient societies we think of as having many gay and gender fluid people. You know the ones I'm referring to. They had aqueducts and we all know they lined them with lead, so let's see what the NIMH says about lead's relation to endocrine systems.... whenever i think of nimh i think of all the intelligent medieval-punk rat societies they created and let escape into the countryside. when are you going to answer for your crimes, nimh
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Aug 26, 2016 11:47
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I think this is most bizarre tangent night crew has been on yet. I need more booze. ftfy
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Aug 26, 2016 11:49
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Antti posted:It's not gay if you're the top. Oiled and Ready posted:A complete disregard for the science of sex (not gender, keep your sociological and cultural superiority if you like)
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Aug 26, 2016 11:50
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Soy makes you Gay when you are a boy. Gay men love young boys. Trump gave money to NAMBLA. Thus, Trump puts soy sauce in his cereal!
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Aug 26, 2016 11:50
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lock all preggers women in a sealed room n force feed them a simple nutrient paster until babby is born gotta keep these fetuses from goin gay
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Aug 26, 2016 11:53
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Epic High Five posted:Yeah, I had a paragraph in there detailing examples but decided against it. I think the main thing to point out here is that people's sexuality doesn't typically change when they undergo hormone therapy, which is about as strong a refutation as I can think of. That is the worst possible "especially", no way the gender gap in violent crime is purely a societal construction. This gap crosses all cultures. That is not a strong refutation at all because hormones play completely different roles in a fetus or in early development than they do in an adult. The only sexual change I've seen in MtFs from hormones has been an increase in libido, and much of that can probably be ascribed to an increase in self esteem. Epic High Five posted:I mean yeah it's not beyond the pale to imagine cattle dumping a shitload of hormones into the water supply that a lot of municipalities aren't filtering is going to alter some things, but to go straight to sexual deviancy is presenting yourself with a big hurdle right out of the gate It is not possible to have this conversation with anyone who doesn't understand: 1. We are animals who are intended to be straight by our genetics, but almost all animals have a gay population for some reason 2. Our genetics are weird semi-random gobbledegook and no moral argument can be made for why gay people are inferior - the planet is overpopulated, gay sex doesn't violate your rights, more gay people isn't a bad thing but maybe we should study mechanisms of gender and hormone correlation and perhaps ban some bad plastics or chemicals!
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Aug 26, 2016 11:53
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Oiled and Ready posted:The idea that the sexing and subsequent male/female development of a previously homogeneous fetus is a complex chain of events that may be disrupted by modern industry and life isn't a crazy idea. I loving hated your posting for a while but you have been spitting straight truth all night long and I respect that. As someone that struggles with severe mental illness seeing how it's been treated by a lot of people as something normal makes me mad. You can manage it and live a normal life but people acting like you are just like everyone else is insulting I think.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:57
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I think this is most bizarre tangent night crew has been on yet. I need more coffee. I do these often! Antti posted:It's not gay if you're the top. This is on point. Present levels of hormones seem to relate more to preferred dom/sub behavior whereas childhood hormones seem to relate more masculine/feminine preference. A guy who fucks guys is more masculine than a submissive guy who sometimes gets to gently caress his domineering wife.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:58
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Oiled and Ready posted:I do these often! Enough about boosted!
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Aug 26, 2016 12:01
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hmmm indeed rapists are mega masculine so domineering
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Aug 26, 2016 12:01
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john wayne gacy is obvs a god of masculinity
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Proceedings from the National Academy of I Don't Know Estrogen Makes You Gay or Something
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