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zoux posted:Remember when I said Democrats want to keep hyperpartisan redistricting in the statehouse just as much as the GOP? i think independent district drawing is a real possibility, but i, uh, think the movement needs to start somewhere other than chicago's state
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Ron Jeremy posted:Medicare option for all, allow medicare to pay lower bulk prices for medicines. Realistically how possible would it be for Hillary's reign of terror to repeal that dumbass law banning medicare negotiating on price?
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zoux posted:Remember when I said Democrats want to keep hyperpartisan redistricting in the statehouse just as much as the GOP? Yeah, and it's actually good when Democrats do it because they aren't racist hillbillies who think gays are subhuman, transpeople aren't people, and women are just baby-wrappers to be discarded once forced to give birth. This isn't some truth-in-the-middle poo poo, the people that nominate the likes of Trump deserve to get shut the hell out until they either die off or get back to their Lincoln/Eisenhower roots.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:42
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axe_vendetta posted:Trump campaign chief may have violated election law Have any GOP officeholders bothered to defend their presidential candidate from Clinton's accusations of bigotry? If not that's extremely telling.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:43
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FAUXTON posted:Yeah, and it's actually good when Democrats do it because they aren't racist hillbillies who think gays are subhuman, transpeople aren't people, and women are just baby-wrappers to be discarded once forced to give birth. This isn't some truth-in-the-middle poo poo, the people that nominate the likes of Trump deserve to get shut the hell out until they either die off or get back to their Lincoln/Eisenhower roots. It's still a bad idea, imo, because as I hope we'll see this year, gerrymandering leaves you vulnerable to wave elections.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:44
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Have we talked about Maine's governor's awesome comments about a Democratic Socialist cockscker and then how he lamented that he was not allowed to challenge him to a duel so he could shoot him?
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https://twitter.com/SPIEGEL_English/status/769214865894436866 Goddamn.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:49
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CommieGIR posted:Have we talked about Maine's governor's awesome comments about a Democratic Socialist cockscker and then how he lamented that he was not allowed to challenge him to a duel so he could shoot him? Paul LePage has a great wikipedia page. 
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Aug 26, 2016 17:53
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zoux posted:Remember when I said Democrats want to keep hyperpartisan redistricting in the statehouse just as much as the GOP? Cmon, Illinois politicians (both D and R) are really a breed apart from the rest. I know this from having lived in Chicago when Gov Ryan (R) was jailed, then when Gov Blagojevich (D) was jailed, along with all of the crazy shenanigans that went on while Richard J. Daley was mayor. That Obama came out of that same political climate is strange at best, he really never fit that mold. That much was apparent while he was running for US Senate against another Ryan - this time the ex-husband of Jeri Ryan - who ended up dropping out of the race when a scandal emerged regarding their divorce (court papers showed one of the reasons she filed for divorce was he would try and pimp her out at swingers clubs), then replaced by Alan loving Keyes. Kind of wild to think that, in a way, Star Trek Voyager is central to Obama's rise to the Presidency.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Vir, Londo, and G'Kar are the best parts of that show, and by that I mean any scene of them on youtube is going to be quality (especially the one involving the elevator)
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Pakled posted:Paul LePage has a great wikipedia page. How the gently caress does he keep on getting reelected? 
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Aug 26, 2016 17:58
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FYI PEC has moved another notch, with Clinton's chances at 94/97% now. At this rate, and looking at the meta-margin graphics, within 2 weeks I expect PEC to be at 100%/100%. I wonder how that will be presented. "We can now with absolute certainty say that Clinton will win in November."?
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Aug 26, 2016 17:59
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iospace posted:How the gently caress does he keep on getting reelected? First time he was elected a 3rd party rear end in a top hat siphoned off a huge amount of the D vote. Second time he elected same goddamn thing with the same goddamn 3rd party rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 26, 2016 18:00
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iospace posted:How the gently caress does he keep on getting reelected? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obZ7_c4BrDc
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iospace posted:How the gently caress does he keep on getting reelected? Maine is one of the whitest states in the union
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iospace posted:How the gently caress does he keep on getting reelected? Third party not-Democrat splitting the vote
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We all know that Trump is going to lose this election, but that isn't good enough. We need to take a long hard at our country and figure out what is going wrong that such a demagogue can command the vote of so many. It's easy to round up the Republican voters who gave Trump the primary victory but we need to ask why such an obvious confidence man could so easily persuade so many to vote for him. It's clear that the right wing media is largely to blame and has become totally divorced from consensus reality. Trump supporters no longer seem to believe in the validity of the mainstream media whatsoever, dismissing criticism as some kind of conspiracy against their hero figure. How do we engage people who no longer submit that any agreed upon reality is true, and who readily believe bizarre conspiracy theories such as the idea that Clinton is hiding severe health problems. The right wing media in this country is largely to blame, but how can it be regulated and required to tell some kind of truth given the first amendment? Right wing figures no longer seem to care about the truth but act like entertainers pushing ridiculously extremist conspiracy theories. In many ways the internet is to blame. Before the internet everyone shared a common TV media in which there were rules and standards, but now people can find their own extremist echo chambers in which they don't have any of their views challenged but only supported by fellow travellers. America is no longer a country of citizens trying to work out the best solutions to common problems but a cultural warground in which the right uses all and every method to fight against what they see as encroaching liberal ideology. People think of themselves as cultural warriors rather than as American citizens and try to win arguments at all costs, regardless of truths and objectivity. We have reached a point in which American citizens seem to view each other with contempt and as not members of the "real America". How do we go back from this? How do we reestablish some kind of consensus reality in which we can all agree that certain facts are true? I'm very pessimistic about America's future and can only see increasing fractionalization unless some movement is begun to restore our national identity as people with common interest in preserving the dignity and strength of the union rather than a cultural ground war in which the winner takes alll.
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Do the (relatively) huge numbers Gary Johnson is getting in a lot of swing state polls worry anyone else? Not for Johnson's prospects, but the fact that Johnson's numbers are usually much larger than the margin of victory for Clinton, and traditionally "libertarians" lean Republican. It's like seeing a massive undecided vote, where there's this huge possibility for a late swing looming like a guillotine. Is there any data on the preferences of those voters, how committed they are to Johnson, and so on? Conceptually, if we did runoff elections, would Clinton be a lot worse off?
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axe_vendetta posted:We all know that Trump is going to lose this election, but that isn't good enough. We need to take a long hard at our country and figure out what is going wrong that such a demagogue can command the vote of so many. It's easy to round up the Republican voters who gave Trump the primary victory but we need to ask why such an obvious confidence man could so easily persuade so many to vote for him. a combination of people distrusting their own party due to years of broken promises as well as unsophisticated voters who don't distinguish between policy and politics, or political news coverage and entertainment/media news coverage
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Sir Tonk posted:https://www.rt.com/usa/357042-trump-child-rapist-allegation/ Because misguided individuals give their vile propaganda outlets traffic?
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berserker posted:FYI PEC has moved another notch, with Clinton's chances at 94/97% now. At this rate, and looking at the meta-margin graphics, within 2 weeks I expect PEC to be at 100%/100%. I wonder how that will be presented. "We can now with absolute certainty say that Clinton will win in November."? The reason the margin is what it is is because of the confidence interval Wang chose to use, but with each move it should be harder to get the win % to move higher. If he's properly calibrating his model it'll never truly reach 100% because of tail events. Personally I think Wang has a confidence interval band that is too narrow and 538 is probably a bit too conservative. No event in social science/economics happens with 100% probability except death.
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Periodiko posted:Do the (relatively) huge numbers Gary Johnson is getting in a lot of swing state polls worry anyone else? Not for Johnson's prospects, but the fact that Johnson's numbers are usually much larger than the margin of victory for Clinton, and traditionally "libertarians" lean Republican. It's like seeing a massive undecided vote, where there's this huge possibility for a late swing looming like a guillotine. Johnson's supporters won't switch. Libertarians, while closer to republicans for the most part, are stupidly loyal. Like they believe that they're right, all the time, and nothing you say will ever persuade them otherwise. iospace fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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iospace posted:How the gently caress does he keep on getting reelected? "He's an rear end in a top hat, but he's our rear end in a top hat" is a very powerful force in politics. See also: Chicago
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Periodiko posted:Do the (relatively) huge numbers Gary Johnson is getting in a lot of swing state polls worry anyone else? Not for Johnson's prospects, but the fact that Johnson's numbers are usually much larger than the margin of victory for Clinton, and traditionally "libertarians" lean Republican. It's like seeing a massive undecided vote, where there's this huge possibility for a late swing looming like a guillotine. Well usually we see both two way and four way votes, and Clinton does even better in the two way.
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Periodiko posted:Do the (relatively) huge numbers Gary Johnson is getting in a lot of swing state polls worry anyone else? Not for Johnson's prospects, but the fact that Johnson's numbers are usually much larger than the margin of victory for Clinton, and traditionally "libertarians" lean Republican. It's like seeing a massive undecided vote, where there's this huge possibility for a late swing looming like a guillotine. 538 has an article about Johnson today: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gary-johnson-isnt-fading/ Honestly? No. Johnson's polling so high because of the number of people who are Republicans but can't make themselves vote for Trump. I think his numbers will be a bit stickier than previous 3rd party candidates - I'm just hoping he still pulls under 7%, because that's the point where the Libertarians get federal funding - a huge boon to their credibility.
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https://www.facebook.com/isiah.carey/posts/10153814925912393 Meanwhile, in the center of Houston. (facebook video)
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axe_vendetta posted:We all know that Trump is going to lose this election, but that isn't good enough. We need to take a long hard at our country and figure out what is going wrong that such a demagogue can command the vote of so many. It's easy to round up the Republican voters who gave Trump the primary victory but we need to ask why such an obvious confidence man could so easily persuade so many to vote for him. It's clear that the right wing media is largely to blame and has become totally divorced from consensus reality. No, the media and Internet are only appealing to something else. The real question we should be asking is why are Americans open to the bullshit the right wing media tells them? I have hope that the just started "what's up with rural America" thread might prove more helpful in this regard.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:a combination of people distrusting their own party due to years of broken promises as well as unsophisticated voters who don't distinguish between policy and politics, or political news coverage and entertainment/media news coverage It seems bizarre that people would respond to their politicians being overly influenced by the wealthy one percent in this country by actually voting for a member of the one percent who is openly corrupt.
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axe_vendetta posted:We all know that Trump is going to lose this election, but that isn't good enough. We need to take a long hard at our country and figure out what is going wrong that such a demagogue can command the vote of so many. I'm so sick of this pearl clutching bullshit. Just accept the fact that 40% of the country is poo poo and will vote for literally anyone with an R next to their name. I'm sick of the shock and appall that Trump will lose, but not by enough. If Trump loses 60-40, or even 55-45, the message of the election won't be "Oh wow, Trump did pretty good there" it will be "Hillary wins in landslide, Americans reject Trump." loving deal with it, or go get a couch to faint on.
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axe_vendetta posted:It seems bizarre that people would respond to their politicians being overly influenced by the wealthy one percent in this country by actually voting for a member of the one percent who is openly corrupt. We've been fostering "the government can't do anything right" as a base truth for years and years and years. "Government = bad" is largely seen as an axiom.
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Sir Tonk posted:https://www.facebook.com/isiah.carey/posts/10153814925912393 There are three of these things where I live, but they sub out the state flag for one of those black white and blue black lives don't matter as much as cops feelings flags.
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The problem here is that now I have to reconsider everything. I cannot vote for the same person Paul Wolfowitz is voting for.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:No, the media and Internet are only appealing to something else. The real question we should be asking is why are Americans open to the bullshit the right wing media tells them? I think part of the problem is that the mainstream media is so hesitant to point out obvious falsehoods and instead acts as if both sides of every argument are equally valid and promotes this idea of false equivalency between viewpoints that are simply flat out wrong. E.g. "teaching the controversy" about evolution. It's this idea that both sides are equivalent no matter how illogical or unscientific one of those sides happens to be.
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WampaLord posted:I'm so sick of this pearl clutching bullshit. Just accept the fact that 40% of the country is poo poo and will vote for literally anyone with an R next to their name. It is depressing that there is such a heavy undercurrent of white supremacy in this country, and it isn't 'pearl-clutching' to feel that way. I think most progressive folks accept that there is institutional racism (police, education, criminal justice, etc.) and 'a lot' of racist people in this country--but mostly I think pre-Trump we all kind of assumed this was a rapidly fading vestigial arm of conservatism. But to actually see 40% of our country so apathetic toward outright racism and xenophobia, charged by ultra-nationalism....it's really, really sobering. I'd like to think I wasn't totally naive before, but he's totally pulled the hood off nearly half our nation and it's ok to be shocked by that.
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theflyingorc posted:We've been fostering "the government can't do anything right" as a base truth for years and years and years. "Government = bad" is largely seen as an axiom. Not to mention that this goes hand-in-hand with another conservative axiom "the only moral X is my moral X" Abortion, divorce, completely transparent monied insane candidate, etc.
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theflyingorc posted:We've been fostering "the government can't do anything right" as a base truth for years and years and years. "Government = bad" is largely seen as an axiom. P.J. O'Rourke posted:"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
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Space Poodle posted:The problem here is that now I have to reconsider everything. I cannot vote for the same person Paul Wolfowitz is voting for. All the rats aren't clinging to Hillary as the waters rise because they like her policies. Noam Chomsky endorsed Hillary over third parties too.
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Sir Tonk posted:https://www.facebook.com/isiah.carey/posts/10153814925912393 The truly shocking thing here is that that truck wasn't modified to roll coal.
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LeeMajors posted:But to actually see 40% of our country so apathetic toward outright racism and xenophobia, charged by ultra-nationalism....it's really, really sobering. It's not 40% of the country. It's 40% of people that vote, at best. In reality it's like.....10% of the country that is probably that poo poo. That's still 1 in 10 people, and not great.
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