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double nine posted:FYI, the voice actor of the Ancestor is Wayne June and he's done other stuff - among others audiobooks for the Call of Cthulhu. Sample: http://www.waynejune.com/MP3/WJune_Lovecraft01.mp3 Vestal's healing is just so reliable it's hard to stop using them. The game is a lot less stressful when you have a guaranteed 7 health to everyone every turn(given the right trinkets, of course). Add a jester with the Bright Tambourine and everything shy of a boss fight is a point and click adventure instead of a survival horror experience. Halser fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Vestals are really good as long as you don't get trapped just using them to heal. A ranged attack that also heals the user and a good stun, plus the reliable 'oh poo poo' healing when someone's on death's door? Yes please. They are not white mages, though.
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And now that I've watched the video I can reveal something. I have actually changed the lines in-game to be funnier, at least considering my own sense of humor. I have lines for Miss("Why did I bring a Leper") and dodge("Outskilled") and stuff like that. here's a few examples(there's a Ruins boss spoiler there!) http://imgur.com/a/RRAsy this was probably overwritten with recent patches so I'd have to redo everything again if someone wanted the mod, but it shouldn't take longer than 20 or so minutes. First image doesn't show the text correctly, but it's supposed to be a very subtle "OH gently caress" Halser fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Aug 26, 2016 22:54
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Halser posted:And now that I've watched the video I can reveal something. Man. This should be a side project for this LP. Gotta think about this for a bit.
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Aug 26, 2016 23:08
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Hahaha. I decided to give this game another try, and man. First encounter, six enemy crits in a row. Well okay time for a new game.
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Highwang posted:Man. This should be a side project for this LP. Gotta think about this for a bit. I changed deeds to "Evidence of how many times you had to go through the loving Weald". That was before they changed the system. Oh, and although the chances of getting in are pretty low now, I'll just put my name here for recruitment. Classes: 1. Houndmaster 2. Grave Robber 3. Highwayman If I ever land a Houndmaster, please name him Halser&Holser.
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I'd like to see a write-up of the quirks/afflictions, since you have kinda gone over the cove already in a video.
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For reference, I'm moderately certain that https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=623425061 is the mod Highwang is talking about, and some of these honestly do make me giggle.
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vdate posted:For reference, I'm moderately certain that https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=623425061 is the mod Highwang is talking about, and some of these honestly do make me giggle. That is indeed it. User beware, it's very 2008 internet. That's probably why I like it though since I'm a goddamn fossil.
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Night10194 posted:Vestals are really good as long as you don't get trapped just using them to heal. A ranged attack that also heals the user and a good stun, plus the reliable 'oh poo poo' healing when someone's on death's door? Yes please. I'm not a fan of the stun, since it has a relatively low chance of success and using trinkets to increase it guts her healing. I keep her basic attack on hand in case I have to deal with movement shenanigans. On the other hand, her self healing has a pretty high crit rate and almost max damage. So I definitely agree to that. I always have a smile on my face when the Vestal is the only one who needs healing, since I can do damage at the same time.
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mauman posted:I'm not a fan of the stun, since it has a relatively low chance of success and using trinkets to increase it guts her healing. I keep her basic attack on hand in case I have to deal with movement shenanigans. I enjoy using the stun because of the added +torch benefit. If you run items or have quirks that require a high torch value then the stun is a very useful skill. The stun amulet or stone is usually enough to get the Vestal's stun move up to a decent chance to proc, leaving the other slot open for a head, or even the book that Highwang is using. I think the Vestal is useful on long runs where you need to have a healing unit just to keep up with the nickel and dime damage you'll receive from various units. However, I prefer the Occultist in most boss parties or medium runs because he can debuff, mark and has an excellent AoE that he can use from the 3rd and 4th spots along with his heal. Also, he can be in a party with an Abomination, which is usually very nice.
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Krumbsthumbs posted:I enjoy using the stun because of the added +torch benefit. If you run items or have quirks that require a high torch value then the stun is a very useful skill. The stun amulet or stone is usually enough to get the Vestal's stun move up to a decent chance to proc, leaving the other slot open for a head, or even the book that Highwang is using. An Occultist with that Eldritch Killing Incense and a damage trinket can shame Lepers in damage output against the right targets. 30% crit chance on Sacrificial Stab. It's amazing. I always save up my Occultists to Cove runs because they're so drat powerful there. And it's funny seeing him heal for 60 or so when you stack healing trinkets. Of course he'll only do that when your target is missing 1hp, and of course he'll heal for 0 when he's at Death's Door.
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Halser posted:and of course he'll heal for 0 when he's at Death's Door. Don't forget the bleed,
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The abomination's beast form looks really cool and I like it a lot. Was expecting a werewolf but satyr is loving sweet.
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I have found one of the big trasures. In a torch sconce. that was also the right time to retreat. A Vestal could maybe pull you through for high stress. But 2 bleeders on Death's Door is a bad place to be.
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YES! My dumb name made it in! In all seriousness I've found the bounty hunter great for his pull and his stun. Sure he does great damage too, but I always find him messing with the enemy turns to be more useful. P.S. Thank you for not letting me die. TheGreatEvilKing fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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So what made the antiquarian's 1-1 heal so attractive to you, instead of anything else?
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Abomination is up there with the Arbalest in the "I will fire you first if need arises" department. Unless you have a jester doing nothing but destressing people you're bound to end up with everyone insane in long dungeons. Never really saw the appeal when the Leper does comparable damage without the need to babysit and without the annoying class restrictions. I always found it odd that a Vestal would happily party with a dude that's all about eldritch powers and dark sacrifices and maddening chants without any remorse, but when a sad man that's possessed and obviously hates it shows up they get disgusted. Cassa posted:So what made the antiquarian's 1-1 heal so attractive to you, instead of anything else? Any heal is a good heal when you need folks out of Death's Door.
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One is a man who worships eldritch demons and can still be shown the error of his ways. The other is a demon shackled inside a prison of flesh and bone, who occasionally escapes that prison to wreak havoc. That's quite the difference to a clergyman.
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Also the Abomination is branded, and from his backstory it looked to be very specifically done by a religious group. If the Vestal, Leper and Crusader are all of the same faith there might just be tenets about not working with those branded as abominations. So it's not that they enjoy working with the Occultist, it's that there's an actual religious law against working with the Abomination but none against the Occultist or Pagan heathens like the Hellion. Although the fact that both can be converted to the right path is probably a good secondary explanation, whereas the Abomination cannot be saved due to his very nature as such a creature.
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EponymousMrYar posted:One is a man who worships eldritch demons and can still be shown the error of his ways. the Occultist is also possessed though, he made a pact with some eldritch entity. It's just a bit more subtle visually. When he goes depressed, he says "I cannot let It escape... DESTROY ME! NOW!" "YES. FREE ME FROM THIS MORTAL PRISON. FREE ME." "Will I ever possess my own mind again? Or am I lost?" "Cannot sleep... the black-beast is ever-roaring..." Paranoid: "The others must surely know my secret by now..." "Must not let the others guess my true nature..." And Irrational is very fun to read: "MAKE YOUR PEACE, MORTALS. I BURN THROUGH." "I AM THE BLACK-BEAST. PERISH IN FLAME." "HG'ROKAN MANOGASN EL'CTHORGHRAKORH L'LOARX-R'GHAN." You may argue that he just thinks he's possessed in his insanity, but he also does a few eldritch chants when he crits too. He's very clearly tormented by some demonic(to a holy person) entity.
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Halser posted:You may argue that he just thinks he's possessed in his insanity, but he also does a few eldritch chants when he crits too. He's very clearly tormented by some demonic(to a holy person) entity. Right, he say's he is one... But he doesn't actually demonstrate that beyond his eldritch arts and ramblings. While the Abomination actually turns into something not-human. The difference is literally 'he is and has demonstrated that he is a demon.' It doesn't matter how sad he may be, he is the embodiment of everything the faith finds evil and they will not care if their evil is sad that he is evil. You can always decided to be God and edit the ini file like Chitlin said if it really bothers you 
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EponymousMrYar posted:Right, he say's he is one... But he doesn't actually demonstrate that beyond his eldritch arts and ramblings. While the Abomination actually turns into something not-human. it doesn't bother me too much, it's just one thing I like pointing out. It's a fair explanation to me that the holy classes are just ignorant of how the Occultist gets his powers. Although the whole tentacle summoning thing is a pretty big red flag.
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The faith seems to be a weird hope spot in the setting, where you can gain powers to fight the corrupt and evil magic without setting your soul on fire. Sure, the Vestal has to stay virginal and the Leper has his disease, but the Crusader seems to be able to call on attack spells and healing just fine. I do wonder what powers the fish guys/cultists/etc are channeling, as they have more dark themed powers than the occultist does. Sure, the occultist has his stun that puts out the torch (though I've never seen anyone use it) but his tentacle motif is a lot different from the other wizards in Darkest Dungeon.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:The faith seems to be a weird hope spot in the setting, where you can gain powers to fight the corrupt and evil magic without setting your soul on fire. Sure, the Vestal has to stay virginal and the Leper has his disease, but the Crusader seems to be able to call on attack spells and healing just fine. "Some think the Flame is holy. I know otherwise..." - Also an Occultist line. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vestal and the Occultist all channel the same forces, in different ways. It would fit the setting, I think.
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Chalk me up as another person who can't stand Occultist (and Abomination; I value my religious party members too highly). Vestal's reliability is just way better than relying on Wyrd Reconstruction, and she has a group heal. Not to mention she can boost her healing with trinkets to the point where, on average, she will be doing better than the Occultist, without having to manage Bleed. Judgment is a pretty good attack, too.
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Halser posted:Abomination is up there with the Arbalest in the "I will fire you first if need arises" department. Unless you have a jester doing nothing but destressing people you're bound to end up with everyone insane in long dungeons. Never really saw the appeal when the Leper does comparable damage without the need to babysit and without the annoying class restrictions. Wait what? The arbalest is amazing!
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Make me a Jester. I can play the lute horribly and make my friends less stressful! Call me Dick Taste.
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double nine posted:Wait what? The arbalest is amazing! If I've learned anything from threads like this, it is that everyone has their own play styles and some characters/classes/units just don't gel with said style. For example, if you really like using two back line units and use them exclusively, then the Arbalest won't fit into your team easily. I've also learned that everyone else on the internet is wrong and should feel bad about being wrong.
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nu-uh! Anyway, what is everyone's opinion on bandages and antivenoms for the purposes of combat? On the one hand that's money thrown away on the other hand i'm getting into territory where bleed and blight is getting really punishing it feels like
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I use a 2/3/4 of each approach at novice/veteran/elite respectively. There are a few enemies that pick up blight/bleed effects at higher difficulties, and their chances of applying a blight or bleed increase at each tier. The numbers might change a bit depending on the realm and length of the dungeon, for example there are various units with bleed attacks in the cove, but not many blighters. In addition, you'll probably be eating a few more crits which adds two to the duration. The last thing you need is an eight damage bleed lasting for five rounds at the end of a dungeon because you only brought a few bandages.
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double nine posted:nu-uh! There is a certain large enemy in the Cove that will wreck you with bleed damage. Other than that I usually leave these at home with on novice and veteran but bring a bunch on Champion.
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Highwang posted:New update! Episode 9: Politics You should discuss Quirks and Afflictions, as we've certainly seen them now. You should probably wait with discussing the Cove until you've faced That One Enemy in it. A few other things: Liberal and libertarian, two different things, etc. Did you know you can eat food straight out of the loot received screen? So don't throw it away before you've chowed up! Abominations are pretty great to play around with. One of my favorite mid-to-late game party lineups involves 1 jester and 3 abominations with +Virtue trinkets. Also, WHY ARE YOU FINISHING OFF STUNNED ENEMIES WHEN YOU CAN TRY KILLING ENEMIES WHO CAN STILL HURT YOU? WHY?! THINK OF THE ECONOMY OF ACTION! MHN'FTAGH! *huff* *huff* *puff* Great lesson on when to throw in the towel, though. Too often people go 'just one more kill and I'll make it' and lose themselves a character w/trinkets or the whole dang party. The sunk cost fallacy is not your friend in this game.
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that depends. If you stun them in the first turn before they get their action, then killing them is a good idea if they have high speed. Chances are they'll act first in the second turn after shrugging off their stun, and when you're dealing with stress dealing enemies, one turn is all they need to be a pain in the rear end. double nine posted:Wait what? The arbalest is amazing! Hey, I'll sing praises to pretty much all classes in the game, even the poor Leper. The thing is, if you're not a Vestal/Grave Robber/Jester/Hellion/Houndmaster then you're probably B-team material for me. One of the problems is that I rarely ever get any use of her mark damage, because even when I run an Occultist I prefer to stab stuff in the face/pull annoying enemies to the front instead of marking an enemy for her. And the Musketeer is obviously better stat wise, because for some reason she never stops critting for me.
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Halser posted:And the Musketeer is obviously better stat wise, because for some reason she never stops critting for me. Literally just a reskin of the arbalest.
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Atomikus posted:Literally just a reskin of the arbalest. yes but my personal biased account says she crits more so she's obviously better
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I just started a new game, lost Reynauld to three crits in a row on full torch and now the game is making GBS threads antiquarians on me. I have three in the stable and it's week four? Five? Three Vestals too. The gently caress game? E:I'm barely clawing my way through dungeons because my guys keep getting mega stressed from constant crits (keeping the torch as bright as I can, just bad luck) so I've got tons of support characters while my few damage dealers and meat sacks are working off the stress at home. Week four I had to take the abomination out which made my entire team crazy by the end of the dungeon. I'm barely spending any money in town other than maybe grabbing one skill on one guy and doing one weapon or armor upgrade, but even with antiquarian loot, I'm going broke trying to provision my guys. I think I'll get my footing in a few weeks, but this run started out rough. On the bright side Dismas has gotten a bunch of great traits! Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:I just started a new game, lost Reynauld to three crits in a row on full torch and now the game is making GBS threads antiquarians on me. I have three in the stable and it's week four? Five? Three Vestals too. The gently caress game? Sometimes the game just deals you a terrible hand. In my most recent playthrough I only had the "discretion is a better part of valor" pop up show up in the veteran Hag boss. Before that, no one had ever reached Death's Door. On another playthrough everyone goes nuts in the second dungeon.
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Highwang posted:New update! Episode 9: Politics Out of all the mods you could use for XCOM2, the only one you used is one that puts in trash 4chan memes? This video just serves as proof that Highwang is some kind of monster.
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