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Leavemywife posted:I'm afraid to ask, but can someone make a list of all the poo poo Piers Anthony has written in his books? I think there was a post about it earlier, but I don't remember. Split infinity : starts with a male prostitute slave (who must always be naked?) escaping his sci if world after doing it with a sex bot, goes to a fantasy world where he still stays naked all the time, rides a unicorn bareback (haha) and lusts over it incredibly vocally throughout the ride, then when the unicorn transforms into a sexy lady apparently his seduction tactics worked because they hosed. The loving is apparently very beautiful. I stopped reading after that
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Someone in the Dark Enlightenment thread has correctly identified the cover: it's a default model in Poser, with clothes on. The author's almost certainly not Vox Day himself, either - Vox is not known for either patience or attention to detail. No, this is a work the author's been polishing and polishing since 2011. "The novel gets progressively more ingenious, and it exposes the disgusting evil of the nihilist Left in a way that hasn't been done before. The heroes are based on various pagan gods, and the villains are based on historical movements such as the Jacobins, Luddites, Puritans, Aztecs, and others." So he found his dream publisher in Vox. Here's another plug a year later. And here's the author's site. "Meanwhile, the Jacobin Party is wrecking the economy, dismantling the Constitution, and smuggling weapons to street gangs in order to control elections through violence. Blenderman is drawn into a conspiracy to bring down the music cartel and the State itself, orchestrated by a young woman who worships Loki, the god of chaos." Here's the original cover, which is just as bad artistically but less plain loving lazy:  I still have to write this piece of poo poo, someone's heartfelt life work, up. And I only just survived describing Witch House. May God have mercy upon my soul. divabot has a new favorite as of 23:01 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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Thursday Next posted:They're a new, graphical version of choose-your-own-adventure books from the early 80s. The vast, vast majority of them involve either rape, or Nice Guy style porn where you get to fuckin' with the girls of your choosing by doing enough Nice Things for them to raise their lust-o-meter above a certain threshold. They sit in an uneasy grey zone between games and books, with neither of those two wanting to claim visual novels for themselves. You read RPO twice but you couldn't finish a single branch in Hakuoki? Jesus loving christ
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Leavemywife posted:I'm afraid to ask, but can someone make a list of all the poo poo Piers Anthony has written in his books? I think there was a post about it earlier, but I don't remember. Firefly: a horny 5-year old named Nymph is dtf some middle-aged guy who lives in the woods, and brings a jury to tears by acting out what a good lover he was in several graphic pages. It's considered a bad thing when the child rapist goes to jail, because it was true love.
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MorgaineDax posted:Firefly: a horny 5-year old named Nymph is dtf some middle-aged guy who lives in the woods, and brings a jury to tears by acting out what a good lover he was in several graphic pages. It's considered a bad thing when the child rapist goes to jail, because it was true love. I'm now picturing a Piers Anthony visual novel rendered using default models in Poser drat ALL OF YOU
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The Black Jewels books are a minefield of awfulness. Whoever said they will do an effortpost on the terrible in this series, I would love to help with that. It's just... A few other choice tidbits include: - men can smell when women are on their periods. This is prime raping time if you want to "break" the woman of her magical powers - Daemon and Jaenelle end up as a couple. They share a father, but it's OK because Jaenelle is his adopted daughter. - said father is Saeten, who rules over Hell and the series' vampire stand-in, the demon-dead. He is extremely handsome. His sons, Saeton Daemon (goes by Daemon) and Lucivar (who has bat-like wings) are also extremely handsome. I know someone else already pointed out the naming scheme, but it's worth repeating for emphasis. One of the characters is named Surreal. Clever. - the author will describe genital mutilation and other kinds of torture in loving detail, but sex for actual pleasure gets the curtain treatment For a new contribution (sorry if I missed it), a friend and I hateread the Caine Black Knife series by Matthew Woodring Stover. The first book in the series has an...interesting premise, in that the main characters are Actors who phase into an alternate fantasy-style dimension in order to play out fantasy characters for TV shows back here in reality, where evil Jew producers and SS-style police are the enemy. This series is hilariously over the top and gets worse as it goes. The violence is excessive in a desperate bid to make it intense, and it comes across as silly. The main character, Hari, is known as the assassin Caine in the TV series, and is the most awesome assassin to ever grace the pages, according to Stover. He's an honorable type of assassin, so he tells you, in stupid painful detail, why he's killing you as you die. Hari/Caine's main enemy in the fantasy dimension is Mael'Koth, who actually is in love with him and builds a giant statue of Caine's face from hundreds of clay bodies of other people. Because Caine is the sum of humanity you see. Mael'Koth eventually ends up as God (not a god, God) of this dimension. This is a bit of a theme. Characters muse on how they've never been hit as hard as they were by Caine's awesome fists. His life philosophies are so incredibly deep that a religion is started called Cainism. He gets a back injury which paralyzes him from the waist down, which he wills away by his Caine-style awesomeness. He's raped by a lady but it's ok because she's a lady and you can't rape a dude, guys. I won't even get into how the women are characterized. Suffice to say "poorly." They are ALL bitches who want Caine. His female love interest, Pallas Ril, becomes a god by falling into a river. She is also a bitch. Also you're either beautiful or covered in disgusting warts, you whore. Enjoy some passages from Heroes Die, the first in this increasingly batshit series: Heroes Die posted:I jam the knife into his eye. Bone crackles and blood sprays. I use the knife to twist his face away from me: a bloodstain on this livery could be fatal, on my way out. He flops like a salmon that’s found unexpected land beneath an upstream leap. This is only his body’s last unconscious attempt to live; it goes hand-in-hand with the release of his bowels and bladder. He shits and pisses all over himself and his satin-weave sheets—another one of those primordial reflexes, a futile dodge to make his meat unappetizing to the predator. This is how biology works, yes. Heroes Die posted:As twilight drifted down through the deepening blue of the sky, she made her way toward the warehouse beneath which she’d hidden the tokali. Her mind wasn’t on the crowds that thickened around her as curfew neared and folk of all descriptions flooded across the bridges from Old Town; she was absorbed with the melancholy realization that even now, she still compared every man she met with Hari. Husbands and wives hate great sex. Heroes Die posted:Berne’s kept flicking wetly to Pallas’ naked, bruised body tied to the altar. Once when he caught Caine looking at him, he slowly and with obscene deliberation ran his tongue around the rim of his lips. Berne is very evil. Get it? He started out somewhat interesting when he was introduced but immediately after he goes out to rape and kill a prostitute because he's in fact evil rather than interesting. Heroes Die posted:". . . you have to take care of Pallas . . .” Caine's cleverness knows no bounds. Stover's interviews are also batshit. He namedrops great books, philosophers, etc. to make sure you know he's really smart. He assures you in interviews that he can kick your rear end. He also quotes his own characters when making a point. Stover posted:People who try to tell you that life is about the struggle between Good and Evil are either 1) fooling themselves, 2) lying to you, or 3) both. As Caine himself put it, "When somebody starts talking about good and evil, better keep one hand on your wallet."
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divabot posted:Here's the original cover, which is just as bad artistically but less plain loving lazy:  It's not just me, right?
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The Vosgian Beast posted:sexy Poser art https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UTR-bHq2bU
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Wiggy Marie posted:- Daemon and Jaenelle end up as a couple. They share a father, but it's OK because Jaenelle is his adopted daughter. Not Surrael?
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Wiggy Marie posted:For a new contribution (sorry if I missed it), a friend and I hateread the Caine Black Knife series by Matthew Woodring Stover. The first book in the series has an...interesting premise, in that the main characters are Actors who phase into an alternate fantasy-style dimension in order to play out fantasy characters for TV shows back here in reality, where evil Jew producers and SS-style police are the enemy. Heroes Die is something of a guilty pleasure for me, and honestly not even that guilty. It's gloriously trashy and just smart enough to not take itself all that seriously--the attempts to shoehorn in some Big Idea philosophy in the vignettes with Caine's dad are admittedly grating but generally unobtrusive. Actually, come to think of it, yeah, basically all of the Earth scenes are garbage outside of the bare minimum studio intrigue subplot. I enjoy the main story in the fantasy world, though--it's cheesy as hell to be sure, but I have a hard time seeing it as anything except a conscious pastiche. Then the second book just absolutely goes 100% full retard. I wouldn't necessarily say it's downhill from there but it never gets much better, and the last book descends into some of the worst literary masturbation I've ever read. E: like you could almost spin the second book as metacommentary on terrible sequels because it ticks off so many sequel cliches, but it completely plays them to the hilt and instead of pulling back to reveal it's in on the joke it just dives into utter insanity. the holy poopacy has a new favorite as of 05:05 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Yeah, I enjoyed Heroes Die but then there's mystical magic poo poo in the real world too! And something is the personification of evil! It's a really interesting concept though with the parallel universes or whatever they are, especially when a god gets pulled through to regular old Earth and has to live as a normal dude. Joe Abercrombie's stuff scratches that same itch but much better.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:While migrating my books to new shelves yesterday, I found something that I'd forgotten I had: I have an old comic book that cast Hubbard as a supervillain, "The Psychobabbler".  Its filled with in-jokes, like the Paulette Cooper skeleton  his only power was mind control drugs that make you Clear  I wonder what kind of poo poo the E-Man writer got for that E-Man was cool because he was creator-owned and the publishing company was barely in business so they let him do whatever the hell he wanted I know its not a book but 
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Leavemywife posted:I'm afraid to ask, but can someone make a list of all the poo poo Piers Anthony has written in his books? I think there was a post about it earlier, but I don't remember. Just pick a Piers Anthony book at random, and it'll have creepy pedophilia in it. The book that's about magic little girls panties is probably a good start. I never read it but I did read the series that literally ends with an old pedophile appointed as God Almighty, because his love for his 12 y.o. former sex slave bride was pure and not hurting anyone or something. But IIRC all of his books had an Afterword where he would speak directly to his fans, especially the fans who were emo tween girls with daddy issues. He urged them to write to him and took a personal interest in several, telling them how special they were and that if they ever felt the need to run away from home and start a relationship with an older gentleman who really loves them for who they are, they probably shouldn't. So yeah there's the buffet do you need someone to chew it for you too? edit: I seem to remember a post that was a few pages long but it was only about The Color of Her Panties, and I don't think it even mentioned the Afterword Syd Midnight has a new favorite as of 06:17 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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My favourite piers a afterword was the one where he had kidney stones, because I'm a vindictive rear end in a top hat who demands pain on authors whose work I dislike, then he described his very young daughter like a lover and then I had to close the book, again
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I read a few Piers Anthony books(some Xanth and the Incarnations of Immortality) when I was a kid and really liked them at the time, like that AV Club writer. It's been depressing the past couple of years revisiting them and realizing how batshit terrible they are.
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divabot posted:...The heroes are based on various pagan gods, and the villains are based on historical movements such as the Jacobins, Luddites, Puritans, Aztecs, and others... One of these things is not like the others...
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Syd Midnight posted:I have an old comic book that cast Hubbard as a supervillain, "The Psychobabbler". As someone who followed this stuff way too long in way too much detail, I'm surprised I never heard of this. When was this issue, details, etc?
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Wiggy Marie posted:For a new contribution (sorry if I missed it), a friend and I hateread the Caine Black Knife series by Matthew Woodring Stover. The first book in the series has an...interesting premise, in that the main characters are Actors who phase into an alternate fantasy-style dimension in order to play out fantasy characters for TV shows back here in reality, where evil Jew producers and SS-style police are the enemy. This is funny and surprising to me because Stover wrote some of the few actually readable Star Wars EU books before the Disney buyout wiped the old canon. Reading the novelization of Episode III actually made me enjoy the movie better, and the Star Wars Books thread in the Book Barn will tell you the rest of his stuff is the best of a mediocre lot too. I'd never have suspected he'd be such a goddam schlock writer in his original property.
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I never read any Piers Anthony. Good lord. Tiggum posted:Not Surrael? Internal consistency has no place in this series. One other thing to mention is that Anne Bishop, the author, clearly doesn't keep track of her own setting, as details change randomly when she decides she wants it to be different. These books are amazingly terrible. If you're wondering why I kept reading them, it's because a high school friend became so obsessed with one of the characters that she took his last name as her own and still identifies herself as that name to this day. I wanted to try to understand. We graduated high school in 2001. In all fairness to Heroes Die, it really is the best in the series, as it's the first and therefore Stover hadn't gone full throttle on his philosophizing. And Stover's brand of misogyny is the type where women are either innocent versions of purity or ugly whores and men are either bound to some weird sense of "honor" which keeps them from being monsters or perpetual rapists. There are some interesting ideas in there, it's just surrounded by so much awful stuff. The best way to think of it is that Stover can ruin any interesting idea he comes up with. Berne is one example - interesting when introduced, but then full evil with the rape and murder of some prostitute. In case it was too subtle. Another example, and the one that to this day I always remember when I think of this series, is something called the "blind god," which is the embodiment of all of the terrible things humans think and do. It's an entity which can possess people. It has promise for being interesting. Characterization: it possesses the evil Jew producer because he's already so evil, thus making him more evil, and he proceeds to rape a woman and then begins eating her while doing so. Biting chunks of her breasts off. While raping her. He's really evil. That kind of extreme writing happens throughout the series, and as the books continue gets worse and worse until, as Gabriel Pope said, the final book is just 100% masturbatory writing. Another contribution: the danger.com series, by Jordan Cray. Tagline: surfing the net can be hazardous to your health. danger.com posted:Different people in different places. The one thing they have in common is a new address on the Internet: danger.com. Where all your fears come true. My mother started buying these for me as a warning against the internet and all of its terrible ways. They are absolutely hilarious. Here's a few summaries: Gemini7 posted:When the dream girl he meets on the Internet shows up as a real person, Jonah watches his totally exciting other life turn into a nightmare. Shadow Man posted:While trying to get back at the girl who has stolen her boyfriend, sixteen-year-old Annie and her stepbrother Nick accidentally send threatening email messages to a stranger and find themselves targets for a murderer. Bad Intent posted:Sometimes Brian wishes he was more like LoneLobo, the coolest surfer on his high school Net. Lobo holds nothing back. But then Lobo's flames burn someone close to Brian and he's the only one who can stop Lobo's cruelty. The problem is, Brian's not sure he wants to stop him. In some ways, I have to admire Jordan Cray. He characterized some dangers of the internet pretty accurately. There's one where the kids get involved in a terrorist group that organizes bombings against particular racial or ethnic groups. I can't say he was wrong about that. Dammit mom.
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I almost picked up a Piers Anthony book but the one directly next to it was also written by him. It was called The Color of Her Panties. I put it down and went to the less shameful travel section of the bookstore.
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Wiggy Marie posted:Internal consistency has no place in this series. One other thing to mention is that Anne Bishop, the author, clearly doesn't keep track of her own setting, as details change randomly when she decides she wants it to be different. These books are amazingly terrible. If you're wondering why I kept reading them, it's because a high school friend became so obsessed with one of the characters that she took his last name as her own and still identifies herself as that name to this day. I wanted to try to understand. It's SaDiablo, isn't it?
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there wolf posted:It's SaDiablo, isn't it? Yaslana. She also came up with a first name that follows the female naming conventions for his race.
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Wiggy Marie posted:Another example, and the one that to this day I always remember when I think of this series, is something called the "blind god," which is the embodiment of all of the terrible things humans think and do. It's an entity which can possess people. It has promise for being interesting. Characterization: it possesses the evil Jew producer because he's already so evil, thus making him more evil, and he proceeds to rape a woman and then begins eating her while doing so. Biting chunks of her breasts off. While raping her. He's really evil. Also, Stover is really stuck on the whole moral relativism, "good and evil are just a point of view" brand of philosophical masturbation, and by this point in the series it has stopped being subtext and is now just spelled out in the narration. So the incarnate murder-rape-cannibal god also tries to argue that from a certain perspective it is objectively good (sadly, he does not do this literally in between bites of tits because that would have been hilarious.) The blind god is also basically the personification of consumerism, which fits in brilliantly with the themes established in the first book. And then he turns into the bad guy from Ferngully.
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Rough Lobster posted:I almost picked up a Piers Anthony book but the one directly next to it was also written by him. It was called The Color of Her Panties. I put it down and went to the less shameful travel section of the bookstore. I've read that one. I don't remember much of it, but I was in the same boat as a bunch of other people have confessed to: being like 10 years old, not getting 99% of it, and just thinking it was punny light fantasy. No, the real question is how did my MOTHER let me get away with borrowing a book named the Colour of Her Panties from the library?
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When I was a teenager, my idea of "grown-up" books was largely Thomas Harris and Dan Brown. I still think Red Dragon and The Silence of the Lambs are good books on the whole (I never read Hannibal). But I got Hannibal Rising for my fifteenth birthday and it was baaaaaaaad. I subsequently learned that Harris wrote it because he'd been told that they wanted a film and if he didn't write the novel, somebody else would, and I think it shows. I suppose it's inevitable that, when your character is a sociopath who murders people for ultimately petty reasons (e.g. the flautist in Silence of the Lambs, who Hannibal kills and later consumes because he thought the man spoiled one of his favourite pieces) and you want to make him sympathetic, you don't really have any choice but "Nazi deserters made me eat my sister". As for Dan Brown, I read all of those books, and they were generic techno-thrillers, which normally wouldn't bother me, except masquerading as something bigger and more significant than that because of the controversy around The Da Vinci Code. There'd always be one bit where the narration would comment that Robert Langdon "was not classically handsome" then launch into a description of how classically handsome he is. The one I remember is this one scene in Digital Fortress where the book's "relentless James Bond henchman" character (a deaf assassin whose glasses had Internet access and could send and receive emails) is chasing the hero through Seville, and is only defeated when - keeping in mind that his defining characteristic is that he's deaf - he hears something that distracts him long enough for the hero to get the drop on him. I also read a lot of Harry Turtledove. I thought Guns of the South was fine. I thought How Few Remain was pretty good as well, but the series it spun off (Timeline-191) was pretty lazy. It just takes every "History of Europe 1914-1945" text book, runs a Ctrl+F for "Germany" and "the USSR" and replaces them with "the Confederate States of America" and "the United States of America". It's just really lazy parallelism. Then there's all the repetition: the most notorious example is one character (a US navy sailor) whose main trait is that he sunburns easily and has to slather himself constantly with zinc oxide, and every single time he appears, the narration will expound at some length how he sunburns easily and has to slather himself constantly with zinc oxide. Or every time Winston Churchill is mentioned, they have to stop the plot so someone can talk about how great a speaker he is. It gets really old really fast. Another one is Stars and Stripes Forever by Harry Harrison. It's also alternate history, which is one where the Trent Affair goes differently and somehow results in the British Empire going to war with both the USA and the CSA in the middle of the American Civil War. It features: the USA and CSA immediately patching up their differences so they can fight the British; Mexican bandits being able to beat gurkhas in single combat; the Americans launching a land invasion of the British Isles (how they managed to get past the Royal Navy is glossed over a bit, as I recall); giving Ireland independence and magically making the centuries-old problems between Protestants and Catholics disappear; and removing Queen Victoria from power and "introducing" democracy to the British (who are all cringing feudal peasants). And 1862, by Robert Conroy, which is another alternate history involving the British getting involved in the Civil War, only with Mills and Boon level sex scenes. Highlights include the USS Monitor being able to handily beat the most advanced British ironclads of the day by shooting their rudders off, and Ulysses S. Grant guaranteeing victory by his mere presence on the battlefield. It's just a boring wank of a novel. Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 23:27 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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bup-pow. Well spotted.
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The worst-named character I've ever seen in a book was a guy named Uck Faye.divabot posted:As someone who followed this stuff way too long in way too much detail, I'm surprised I never heard of this. When was this issue, details, etc?
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Wheat Loaf posted:I also read a lot of Harry Turtledove. Ever read the Toxic Spelldump one? Only Turtledove I ever read because when I went looking for more a helpful librarian pointed me to the alternate history genre in general and I picked up some book about literal fascists who started their own country and it quickly became the most powerful, best, advanced country because of the inherent superiority of the master race. Ugly stuff and it left me totally uninterested in reading anything by that other guy with all those books about how the civil war/WWII could have gone differently.
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there wolf posted:Ever read the Toxic Spelldump one? Only Turtledove I ever read because when I went looking for more a helpful librarian pointed me to the alternate history genre in general and I picked up some book about literal fascists who started their own country and it quickly became the most powerful, best, advanced country because of the inherent superiority of the master race. Ugly stuff and it left me totally uninterested in reading anything by that other guy with all those books about how the civil war/WWII could have gone differently. Are you talking about the Domination series by SM Stirling? He wrote those as a deliberate dystopia as opposed to "things are differently bad, but they just work out anyway" . They're not supposed to be feel-good books in support of racism and eugenics. Anyway, that's not Turtledove.
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I believe S.M. Stirling was banned from alternatehistory.com a number of years ago for making comments which were interpreted as advocating genocide against Muslims. (Keep in mind that whether he's doing that is the administrator's interpretation of them.)
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe S.M. Stirling was banned from alternatehistory.com a number of years ago for making comments which were interpreted as advocating genocide against Muslims. (Keep in mind that whether he's doing that is the administrator's interpretation of them.) Lol. That definitely puts a different spin on the Domination series.
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Anyway, I've started going through this thread and I see that a few people have mentioned some of the stuff I talked about in my post above. One other thing I was hugely into when I was younger and still have a lot of nostalgia for is the Star Wars Expanded Universe novels. One that sticks out like the sorest thumb of all was Darksaber by Kevin J. Anderson, the man who gave us the Sun Crusher and the Galaxy Gun, also known for the much-despised Dune tie-in novels he co-wrote with Brian Herbert. The thing that this novel is best known for is the titular Darksaber, which is the worst superweapon of them all and manages to be a complete shaggy dog story despite being the ostensible main plot of the book. However, the one bit that's always stuck in my mind is the Luke subplot. See, in a previous novel (Children of the Jedi), Luke met and fell in love with the disembodied consciousness of an Old Republic Jedi who uploaded her spirit into the supercomputer of an Imperial superweapon. At the end of that novel, she transferred her mind into the body of one of Luke's Jedi pupils (creepy) so they can continue their relationship. Only problem is, she's lost her connection to the Force, so she and Luke set about visiting places Luke felt a strong connection to the Force (a.k.a. Locations You Recognise From the Movies) to see if they can get it back. So, in this book, they go to Hoth, where Luke saw Obi-Wan's Force ghost after he escaped the wampa's cave in ESB. When they arrive, they find a safari party who are there to hunt wampas illegally, and then they're attacked by this massive swarm of wampas which are under the command of the same wampa Luke dismembered in The Empire Strikes Back, which has been waiting for the past 10-15 years or so to take his revenge. I read this novel when I was a stupid 16 year old and ate up anything and everything that had "Star Wars" printed on the cover, and this moment was what made me go, "Oh, for goodness' sake.  "
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flosofl posted:Are you talking about the Domination series by SM Stirling? He wrote those as a deliberate dystopia as opposed to "things are differently bad, but they just work out anyway" . They're not supposed to be feel-good books in support of racism and eugenics. Maybe? I didn't get very far into it, so I don't remember much beyond being horrified. Even if I had, I'd probably was to young to consider an author might be making a point by being deliberately awful. I mean, after reading a Turtledove book with a Jewish hero, I thought poor Harry might be some kind of white supremacist entirely because he wrote in the same genre as the other book. Critical thinking skills had a ways to go.
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