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Antti posted:AP is making a strong case for the False Balance award of the cycle. First the Clinton Foundation thing, now this hilarious tweet: Don't forget "Wade and Trump make statements on shooting" from yesterday.
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 at that AP tweet. MI, WI, and loving MN as tossup states?
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Aug 28, 2016 13:52
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Lmao at painting Florida red. Suddenly we don't swing?
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Aug 28, 2016 13:54
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Antti posted:AP is making a strong case for the False Balance award of the cycle. First the Clinton Foundation thing, now this hilarious tweet: There was an AP journalist on Diane Rhem on Friday and she was just so mad that Clinton had the temerity to not hand over literally every detail of her entire life to the press. She blamed the whole AP Clinton Foundation story on Hillary by saying that if the AP hadn't had to sue to get the calendars then it somehow wouldn't have happened. I think they see the clickbait train the right wing has set up for any negative story involving Hillary and believe they could do the same thing but need some source documents to start from and misinterpret because they are unwilling to completely fabricate facts.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:06
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WampaLord posted:
Also WV. EDIT: No, wait, there it is. Figures Alaska's relative geographical location is one of the few hings that the map would even attempt to accurately reflect.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:06
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Josef bugman posted:Quick question but who are the potential democrat candidates going on from 2020? Given that Obama has been in office for basically the entirety of this piss-poor "recovery", it'll be hard for the Dems to avoid blame when it finally all comes crashing down again, regardless of who wins in November.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:18
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Dr Cheeto posted:Lmao at painting Florida red. Suddenly we don't swing? says who?
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Aug 28, 2016 14:19
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Yinlock posted:Good analogy, but you forgot "spending what little money he has on his increasingly ornate and pointless gun cabinet"
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Aug 28, 2016 14:25
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vorebane posted:From a few pages ago, but I missed this, if Hillary talked about solutions for inner cities, I'd like to read it, where was the speech at? She didn't talk much about that directly beyond her plank of affordable college and loan forgiveness, but she pointed out that while things aren't what they should be for African-Americans, they're also nowhere near as bad as Trump's fear-mongering would have you believe. Here's her full speech, Hillary gets on stage around 7:40.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:29
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Main Paineframe posted:Given that Obama has been in office for basically the entirety of this piss-poor "recovery", it'll be hard for the Dems to avoid blame when it finally all comes crashing down again, regardless of who wins in November. People didn't remember the Bush Administration in 2010. Obama's not going to receive flak for it outside of the "Obama was responsible for Katrina" crowd. Also, wouldn't a tepid recovery imply a similarly tepid contraction later? The "massive recovery" of the early 2000s just set us up better for failure. Besides, the only domestic industries that are particularly bubbly are the Fart Apps of Silicon Valley. computer parts fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Aug 28, 2016 14:33
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Main Paineframe posted:Given that Obama has been in office for basically the entirety of this piss-poor "recovery", it'll be hard for the Dems to avoid blame when it finally all comes crashing down again, regardless of who wins in November. True. I mean a lot of the reason for the piss poor recovery has been obstructionism in the house and senate.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:40
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computer parts posted:Also, wouldn't a tepid recovery imply a similarly tepid contraction later? The "massive recovery" of the early 2000s just set us up better for failure. Besides, the only domestic industries that are particularly bubbly are the Fart Apps of Silicon Valley. It depends. The major unknown is that the Federal Reserve has essentially exhausted its primary way to exert control over the economy because the GOP has completely refused to allow the government to take over with longer term solutions. If things backslide now it is not entirely clear what can be done to keep the fall from gaining speed.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:52
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TheScott2K posted:In retrospect tricking the public into thinking that household debt is the same thing as sovereign debt was loving brilliant on their part. I don't really think the public had to be tricked into that. National debt was simply barely a thing people were aware about for well over a century. Then when politicians started to use it as a boogeyman it's not like anyone had ever taught the public at large how debt works differently for a household vs a large corporation vs a country. I guess what I'm saying is that "tricked into thinking household debt was the same as sovereign debt" implied they would have known better without the tricking.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:53
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Shifty Pony posted:It depends. The major unknown is that the Federal Reserve has essentially exhausted its primary way to exert control over the economy because the GOP has completely refused to allow the government to take over with longer term solutions. If things backslide now it is not entirely clear what can be done to keep the fall from gaining speed. Based on the debt ceiling fights there's enough Republicans to pass TARP 2 or whatever if things actually get bad. You are right that there's very little being done to prevent a crisis from happening beforehand though.
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Aug 28, 2016 14:56
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Antti posted:The actual base map on the AP site has Clinton at 269, 78 tossup, Trump 191. Which is itself kinda stacked, because Clinton's up by more than 5 in NV and NH. Speaking of which, Clinton's no longer leading by 9 points in states worth 270! ARZY!
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Aug 28, 2016 14:58
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Radish posted:One of the biggest scams ever was convincing the majority of the country that conservative economics is the Grown Up Serious position. It alludes to the household example that maturely doesn't waste its money of luxuries in order to make sure important things are paid for. However conservative economics pretty much do exactly the opposite with important things like paying for infrastructure, honoring pensions, welfare, social security, medicare, etc being cut in order to make sure that rich companies and people are able to hoard money in order to spend it on ridiculous displays of wealth or just sit on it like a dragon. It also is mistaken that the only way that the economy can be good is if the rich are allowed to run free despite constant real life evidence to the contrary. Funny how the family metaphor always stops at the point of including and/or caring for each other and cooperating for a goal other than "ge 'em" comes in, isn't it?
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Aug 28, 2016 15:00
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computer parts posted:Based on the debt ceiling fights there's enough Republicans to pass TARP 2 or whatever if things actually get bad. You are right that there's very little being done to prevent a crisis from happening beforehand though. Can you imagine the level of anger that would be in place if Republicans tried to stop a recovery program? Maybe not in their heartlands, but almost everywhere else? That and, hopefully, the GOP will become even more fragmented now that Trump is going to crash and burn.
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Aug 28, 2016 15:00
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Josef bugman posted:Can you imagine the level of anger that would be in place if Republicans tried to stop a recovery program? Maybe not in their heartlands, but almost everywhere else? That's exactly how it will be spun because that's how it was spun in 2008. It's like how during the GOP convention everyone thought the country was on a serious backslide, except for their home areas, which were actually doing very fine (this was for all delegates).
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Aug 28, 2016 15:01
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Geostomp posted:Funny how the family metaphor always stops at the point of including and/or caring for each other and cooperating for a goal other than "ge 'em" comes in, isn't it? It also is completely at odds with something like 90% of Americans thinking that taking out a mortgage (often more than 3x annual income) to buy a home is a great financial decision.
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Aug 28, 2016 15:03
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computer parts posted:It's like how during the GOP convention everyone thought the country was on a serious backslide, except for their home areas, which were actually doing very fine (this was for all delegates). Did the delegates think they were doing fine or the people from those areas? Because I can still see this biting them. Trump is bad enough but with the potential loss of first the Senate and then bits and pieces of the house? The Gods only know how badly it is going to go for Republicans in the future.
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Josef bugman posted:Did the delegates think they were doing fine or the people from those areas? The former are in the latter.
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Aug 28, 2016 15:38
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computer parts posted:It's like how during the GOP convention everyone thought the country was on a serious backslide, except for their home areas, which were actually doing very fine (this was for all delegates). The finest example of this is any Mike Pence stump speech. He will slam the "Obama economy" one minute, then talk about how awesome the Indiana economy did under his administration the next. The thing is, during the Pence administration, Indiana has tracked the national economy almost perfectly by nearly every metric. Somehow virtually identical numbers are the sign of a sluggish, failing economy when they can be attributed to Obama, (from the POV of people who believe the president has an ECONOMY: GOOD <--> BAD lever on his desk, anyway) but are a sign of legendary leadership and unprecedented prosperity when they can be attributed to Pence. Theris fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Can we at least see a good amount of environmental/infrastructure/renewable energy legislature getting passed under a split congress? Would education reform/student debt be much harder to pass through?
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Aug 28, 2016 15:59
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Not sure if it was on purpose or not, but I just saw CNN coverage of a trump speech with the caption "I (R) Presidential Candidate"
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Aug 28, 2016 16:03
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Grouchio posted:Can we at least see a good amount of environmental/infrastructure/renewable energy legislature getting passed under a split congress? I thought I saw someone here talking about infrastructure. That may well be the best hope.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:10
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:There will be no repeat of the 90s That is not what is being referenced. Senator Hillary Clinton barely won her senate seat in New York the first time. She only got in due to a libertarian spoiler. When she was up for re-election she crushed republican john spencer 67% to 31%. Once people saw her in action they loved her. It'll be the same thing in 2020. People whose only real knowledge of her comes from attacks on her character will get a chance to observe her directly. They will see dire predictions/fears not come true. They will see hopes exceeded. If anything their skepticism/cynicism in 2016 will assist this process because of the pleasant surprise of having her surpass their unreasonably low bar. Imagine how happy the "nothing good can happen, the GOP holds the house, we are all hosed" doom-and-gloom crowd will be when she turns the sane GOP house members against the freedom caucus and leverages their infighting to get good stuff passed. It'll be awesome.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:14
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McAlister posted:Senator Hillary Clinton barely won her senate seat in New York the first time. She only got in due to a libertarian spoiler. Wait what Clinton massacred Lazio by 12 points, 55-43
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Aug 28, 2016 16:18
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Grouchio posted:Can we at least see a good amount of environmental/infrastructure/renewable energy legislature getting passed under a split congress? Environmental and renewable energy would be basically impossible to get passed, since so many Republicans think Climate Change is not just fake, but a hoax.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:18
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Hmmmmm a 12 point victory the two candidates totaled 98% of the vote must have been because of a spoiler candidate
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Aug 28, 2016 16:19
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Grouchio posted:Can we at least see a good amount of environmental/infrastructure/renewable energy legislature getting passed under a split congress? Legislation, no. What you can get is EPA regulations that are affirmed by a friendly judiciary.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:19
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exploding mummy posted:Wait what Like obviously the dude is wrong about the libertarian spoiler (who got 0.07% of the vote), but Gore won New York by 25, so it's pretty clear that Clinton under-performed Al Gore.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:21
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computer parts posted:Legislation, no. What you can get is EPA regulations that are affirmed by a friendly judiciary. Yeah Hillary's going to push the bounds of executive action and hopefully a stacked court system affirms it.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:22
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exploding mummy posted:Wait what Yeah, and the libertarian he mentions got under 5000 votes:
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Aug 28, 2016 16:26
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computer parts posted:Besides, the only domestic industries that are particularly bubbly are the Fart Apps of Silicon Valley.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:34
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fishmech posted:Yeah, and the libertarian he mentions got under 5000 votes: Ahahaha Rick Lazio.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:36
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Auto loans isn't an insane amount of money and losing your car isn't quite as bad as your home, compared to say the housing crisis and the ridiculous situation in SF. But yeah, Oliver did a great segment on it and those lenders need to get regulated out of existence. Them and the payday crowd keep making the argument that no self-respecting bank would lend to poor people, but I don't see how saddling them with crippling debt by overcharging at every step is worth it for society in general.
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Jackson Taus posted:Like obviously the dude is wrong about the libertarian spoiler (who got 0.07% of the vote), but Gore won New York by 25, so it's pretty clear that Clinton under-performed Al Gore. Eh, I'd hardly say that's unusual. Chuck Schumer's first Senate election in 1998 was won 55-44, while in 1996, Bill beat Dole 59-31.
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exploding mummy posted:Wait what Believe literally nothing McAlister says about Hillary. This is not the first time someone has caught him lying about Hillary's past. Making predictions about 2020 today is impossible. Don't even try.
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Sir Tonk posted:Auto loans isn't an insane amount of money and losing your car isn't quite as bad as your home, compared to say the housing crisis and the ridiculous situation in SF. One leads to the other though, most of America you need a car to get to work in under like 3 hours.
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