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Grouchio posted:How does the country even function dealing with reforms if congress remains deadlocked for decades? Couldn't the arguement be made that GOP obstructionism is preventing America from becoming 'great again'? Nope. GOP faithful simply retort that Barack Obama is the real obstructionist for not signing all the legislation his congress sends to him into law. He refused to sign the Restoring Americans’ Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act which would have repealed the known evil of Obamacare and defended planned parenthood, thwarting the will of the people.
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Air is lava! posted:It's good to see that the GOP is already grooming a candidate for 2020. I don't see why he'd switch parties when he runs for reelection.
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GalacticAcid posted:
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Epic High Five posted:It's funny how noncontroversial they think the whole mandatory full deportation, no arguments accepted thing is. Especially when combined with being allowed back in but having to pay back taxes (I'm sure it'll be some new calculation that doesn't include EITC aka they'd be getting a huge refund). I think it's easy to lose sight of how profoundly segregated American life really is. As much as "I have a black friend" has become a terrible meme, I'm fairly certain that the vast majority of white Americans do not, in fact, have a black friend, and certainly do not have any undocumented latino friends.
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Extensive Vamping posted:Mods? It's a neck. I'll spoiler tag it if you want though.
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radical meme posted:I think your facebook post is good but, I agree that Kaepernick is a douche. His effort at highlighting oppression of black people is a bullshit nothing gesture. Here's how you do that poo poo right: Fun fact: the gloves were owned by the guy who placed silver, Australia's Peter Norman (which is why one is on the right hand and one on the left). He pissed off the Aussies so much that the 1972 Olympics they didn't send him even though he qualified multiple times. They, in fact, didn't send anybody in male sprinting events for the first time since 1896. He quit athletics after that. Smith and Carlos faced death threats and were suspended from the US National Team. Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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drat, PredictIt is pretty bullish on Dems taking the Senate.
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Boon posted:That might be, but just as the conversation on that post played out on my wall - it doesn't matter. Literally, Kaepernick doesn't matter except that he spurred the conversation. I get what you're saying but, you can't separate Kaepernick from this argument. I've been to plenty of sporting events and, if you search hard enough, you can always find someone who doesn't stand for the national anthem. Nobody bothers them or shoves a mic in their face and says, hey why didn't you stand up. The only reason it happened here is because it was Kaepernick and because he was actually in uniform. And here's my problem with that. When it happened, nobody knew his reason for doing it. He knew it was likely to draw a response from at least the league office and maybe the media. It wasn't until he gave his explanation that his action became some kind of noble action against The Man for oppressing black people. He could have even said it was a personal decision and that he didn't feel it should be reported on but no, he wanted to make it a controversy. And I seriously question his dedication to any issue or cause that doesn't involve his personal gain. So yeah, the whole question of embracing the national anthem as sacrosanct is fine. Personal passive protest is as old as history and is fine. But this particular situation is all about Kaepernick and is because he made it about him. I personally have feelings about the national anthem and it current use at sporting events as well, not mention what I consider the outright abuse of veterans as fetish totems at sporting events. I'd be happy for Kaepernick to prove to everyone that he actually believes what he is saying but, I'm very skeptical.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I still find it hard to believe even half bright Republicans actually think this poo poo, but if the supposed back stage look of Game Change '12 is true then they actually do. Even though centrist dems and non-crazy Republicans are fairly close policy wise they act like the couple of differences on capital gains or estate taxes will cause the country to fall apart or just returning things to Reagan levels will be the end of Western civilization. Yeah, but they're not judging based on the difference between RINOs and centrist Dems, they're measuring the distance between conservative Republicans and like Nancy Pelosi or something. A lot of Dems are kinda on board with this too, especially the ones who aren't white, straight, and upper-middle-class, because again, their fear is not of the Lindsay Graham types running things, but of the Ted Cruz types running things.
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I really enjoyed this podcast episode from N+1 on baseball. They had an extended discussion on the National Anthem and how it bothers them to hear it at the ballpark, as well as God Bless America (which thankfully isn't played at most games anymore, although I believe every game at Yankee Stadium still features it). There's a full transcript on the link, if you just want to control+F for "anthem."
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radical meme posted:When it happened, nobody knew his reason for doing it. He knew it was likely to draw a response from at least the league office and maybe the media. It wasn't until he gave his explanation that his action became some kind of noble action against The Man for oppressing black people. He could have even said it was a personal decision and that he didn't feel it should be reported on but no, he wanted to make it a controversy. And I seriously question his dedication to any issue or cause that doesn't involve his personal gain. Do you understand that he very much deliberately wanted to make it a controversy? What does he have to gain from this? If anything, he stands to lose a lot.
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Robert Marrow running for President is the only way we can have a crazier election than this one. I am not loving ready for that poo poo though. CNN: "Oppai loli - Child pornography or artistic skill?" "So you said you didn't like Obama?" "Yes. I hate the friend of the family." "You hate the..." "friend of the family. Yeah I said it. friend of the family friend of the family friend of the family friend of the family" "...I-I see"
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radical meme posted:I get what you're saying but, you can't separate Kaepernick from this argument. I've been to plenty of sporting events and, if you search hard enough, you can always find someone who doesn't stand for the national anthem. Nobody bothers them or shoves a mic in their face and says, hey why didn't you stand up. The only reason it happened here is because it was Kaepernick and because he was actually in uniform. And here's my problem with that. What you're saying makes a lot of sense, and I get it that Kaepernick may very well be a poo poo who has done this for personal gain reasons. The problem that I have with this line of reasoning is that it's completely divergent. It simply does not matter what Kaepernick intended to happen here, the fact is that he did something and there was an effect. In this case, the effect was a national discussion on his actions and reasons why. In my original post I point out that, "Whether he's right or wrong doesn't matter, he isn't alone in thinking this and we'd be remiss to ignore that." I'm of the opinion that by making this about Kaepernick and whether he believes the reason he did this, completely ignores the larger conversation to be had. It's an opportunity missed.
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GalacticAcid posted:I really enjoyed this podcast episode from N+1 on baseball. They had an extended discussion on the National Anthem and how it bothers them to hear it at the ballpark, as well as God Bless America (which thankfully isn't played at most games anymore, although I believe every game at Yankee Stadium still features it). There's nothing wrong with the National Anthem playing at ball games but I can't loving stand going to football games and hearing "Proud to be an American". That song is such loving trash and the reverence it receives is gross.
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GalacticAcid posted:I think it's easy to lose sight of how profoundly segregated American life really is. As much as "I have a black friend" has become a terrible meme, I'm fairly certain that the vast majority of white Americans do not, in fact, have a black friend, and certainly do not have any undocumented latino friends. from two years back, but "three quarters of whites don't have any nonwhite friends" 
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WampaLord posted:Do you understand that he very much deliberately wanted to make it a controversy? He doesn't stand to lose a drat thing here. Money, he's got money, more money than either you or I do. What has he done to organize some sort of concerted effort in the NFL, on his own team? He's done nothing. Now if this becomes a thing for players to emulate, then maybe I'll give him some credit. edit to Boon: I think we're on the same page here. Yeah, he did start a conversation. I suppose I'm simply annoyed by his potential motivations for doing it. Even though the guy has been very involved in at least one charitable organization in the past, this effort comes at a questionable point in his career. radical meme fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Antti posted:If you want to map conservative economics into household economics, the Republican orthodoxy is basically the same as dad not going to work to earn money (cutting taxes), not taking a mortgage at a negative interest rate to stop renting (fearing DEBT), not buying the car the mom needs to go to work (infrastructure), not sending the kid to college despite having the money (education) and having the kid sleep out in the cold naked because there's no room in the house (healthcare and welfare). It's more like dad goes to work and then dumps most/all his paycheck into his personal account instead of the shared one all the household expenses come out of, claiming the occasional run for diapers on his card means he's contributing more than his fair share. That leaves the shared account with barely enough to cover the regular bills, and if there's any kind of financial emergency the money comes out of the retirement or college funds to cover it. Dad then loudly explains to everyone that this is why he is against the idea of a shared account to begin with because no one ever really puts in what they should but they all take what they want out of it. Not him, though; when he wants something he spends his own money on it.
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GalacticAcid posted:I really enjoyed this podcast episode from N+1 on baseball. They had an extended discussion on the National Anthem and how it bothers them to hear it at the ballpark, as well as God Bless America (which thankfully isn't played at most games anymore, although I believe every game at Yankee Stadium still features it). God Bless America turned into a Sunday staple pretty much everywhere, and I know FS Wisconsin will /not/ go to commercial while it's playing. Though funny enough, a regular of mine got royally pissed at the PA announcer when they told the crowd to remove their hats and salute during it, saying that honor is only reserved for the anthem.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:from two years back, but "three quarters of whites don't have any nonwhite friends" YES thanks for posting that. I attended a panel about a year and a half ago where Jamelle Bouie spoke, and he made reference to this study. I hadn't been able to track it down.
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speng31b posted:Is this real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide...
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vyelkin posted:Do you really have to read it? You already know what it says: "blah blah blah abortion is basically the Holocaust, millions of babies die every year, sure Trump may be a fascist but if Killary KKKlinton gets elected she'll appoint Supreme Court justices who will interpret the Constitution as meaning mandatory abortions for everyone. On the other hand Trump may be a fascist but he's a fascist who would outlaw abortion so really he's the better choice" I'm curious, yeah, because I'm a single-issue voter who came to the opposite conclusion: abortion is abominable but Trump, by virtue of being a capricious narcissist, isn't likely to actually care about the issue, while Hillary, despite not being anti-abortion, favors policies that would make abortions less likely. (I mean, that Steve Bannon thinks Paul Ryan is obsessed with social justice Catholicism, somehow, despite all the evidence I've ever seen, suggests that anybody he likes is not going to support anything that's good for anyone not white, male, and already extremely wealthy.)
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drat that's like the first pro-life post I've ever seen in USPol.
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Huey Newton -- Revolutionary Suicide posted:My parents named me after Huey Pierce Long, the former Governor
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radical meme posted:He doesn't stand to lose a drat thing here. Money, he's got money, more money than either you or I do. What has he done to organize some sort of concerted effort in the NFL, on his own team? He's done nothing. Now if this becomes a thing for players to emulate, then maybe I'll give him some credit. Maybe he realized this is his last chance to start that conversation? Not like he could go with the violent protest route since he'd find a way to get a brick picked off.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Maybe he realized this is his last chance to start that conversation? Not like he could go with the violent protest route since he'd find a way to get a brick picked off. 
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SSNeoman posted:Robert Marrow running for President is the only way we can have a crazier election than this one. What do you mean? That's exactly why he's no longer the chair of the Travis County GOP as of Thursday.
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Air is lava! posted:Nah. Some of them are hardcore republicans, who still feel like he is an outsider who hijacked their party, even though he pretty much represents them. Basically, some people want to vote for Trump, but are to big cowards to admit it. Silent Trump voters, too ashamed to admit they want to vote for him is not a significant portion of the undecided group. They're people who can't decide between Clinton, Trump, and not voting. Seeing as Clinton is the only reasonable choice, they're mostly people who really don't want to vote for her, but are being driven away by Trump. Since Trump isn't going to stop Trumping in the next 2 months they're either going to not vote or reluctantly vote Hillary and swear they never did so when asked. Grouchio posted:How does the country even function dealing with reforms if congress remains deadlocked for decades? Couldn't the arguement be made that GOP obstructionism is preventing America from becoming 'great again'? Because usually Congress tries to run the country in a reasonable manner and compromise with the President and the Senate/Minority Party when needed. We're in the odd hyper polarized period we get into every once in a while between party realignments. We'll slowly revert to a more reasonable attitude where we complain about Republicans/Democrats being assholes and passing legislation that sucks outright or has been too watered down for our taste.
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lol the best part about sports fandom in America is that if he was a Super Bowl caliber QB, he could poo poo on the flag and burn it at midfield and nobody in SF would care. Also the reflexive terror of black athletes taking stands against the status quo is doubly depressing because it's probably the most effective avenue for them to take. Look at Mizzou, where years of systematic racism and fecal swastikas and handwaving from the local police was cleared out almost overnight when the football team went on strike because of it. No wonder it was such a big deal that a black gymnast didn't show total and absolute deference to the flag instantly
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Grouchio posted:One more question: Should democrats/progressives like myself feel depressed that despite Donald Trump inviting a political landslide for Hilary Clinton that we still can't lodge the GOP out of the house? Could it be done in 2018? Or are we democrats going to underperform again during those midterms? I was 18 when I first voted for Obama and I didn't know what a mid term election was until sometime around 2011, from reading this forum.
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White people really do hate black quarterbacks I think. I remember people in Pittsburgh being pumped about loving Tommy Maddox since he wasn't Kordell. Although Kordell had the additional gay rumors at the time, which didn't help in the late 90s / early 00s.
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GalacticAcid posted:White people really do hate black quarterbacks I think. Look at the response to Vick compared to Roethlisberger. Or Tiger Woods vs... any other white athlete caught cheating.
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Grouchio posted:One more question: Should democrats/progressives like myself feel depressed that despite Donald Trump inviting a political landslide for Hilary Clinton that we still can't lodge the GOP out of the house? Could it be done in 2018? Or are we democrats going to underperform again during those midterms? No you shouldn't be depressed. With the economy the way it is, democrats having a serious shot at winning the senate is a really great thing. The republican party as it is today is unsustainable, as most americans who vote are actually members of the democratic party. In 25~ years when Texas goes Blue, the republican party will no longer be able to control the executive or judicial branches of the government, and will have to change or become irrelevant.
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So Trump is losing the Catholic vote by 23 points. Romney only lost it by 2 points. I like to think that this implies that abortion is becoming less of a wedge issue among Catholics (evangelicals will never support it but gently caress them)
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GalacticAcid posted:I despise the National Anthem. The only good arrangement was basically performed once in 1991 and everything before and since has been poo poo.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So Trump is losing the Catholic vote by 23 points. Romney only lost it by 2 points. The Catholic population is also becoming increasingly Latino while Trump is obviously a uniquely alienating figure for most Latino voters.
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