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The General
Mar 4, 2007


She might of been Skreea, doesn't matter had sex!

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CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
yo though future jake drops some sick books on the world right?

VectorSigma
Jan 20, 2004

Transform
and
Freak Out



Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

yo though future jake drops some sick books on the world right?

it's mildly suggested that the only decent thing he wrote was when he was being brainfucked by meg foster

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

The Maqis probably made the federation have not-pretty borders. If anyone's ever played EU4 or any paradox game you can know how awful it is when the AI creates horrible ugly borders with enclaves and all sorts of border-gore. I imagined the treaty solved that and created a more unified border. The settlers were told they were settling deep into unclaimed territory on the Cardasian frontier but they didn't give a gently caress. ugly borders is the greatest sin anyone can commit.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

yo though future jake drops some sick books on the world right?

:negative:

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
I'M SO SORRY

Gatekeeper
Aug 3, 2003

He was warrior and mystic, ogre and saint, the fox and the innocent, chivalrous, ruthless, less than a god, more than a man.
holy poo poo I just realized youre gonna see 'the visitor' for the first time :unsmith: you'd better bring a change of clothes because your eyes are gonna piss tears

Gatekeeper
Aug 3, 2003

He was warrior and mystic, ogre and saint, the fox and the innocent, chivalrous, ruthless, less than a god, more than a man.
I think that might be my favorite trek episode, it's like gently caress yo this is why a show like this exists, to tell this kind of story. you watch the visitor and then look at a voyager episode list and it's just lol

Tyson Tomko
May 8, 2005

The Problem Solver.
Then you hit episodes like Timeless and Course Oblivion and go well drat now that's fresh.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
Honestly if you pretend that Voyager ended at Timeless then it's not as bad and it works pretty solidly as a series finale

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Gatekeeper posted:

holy poo poo I just realized youre gonna see 'the visitor' for the first time :unsmith: you'd better bring a change of clothes because your eyes are gonna piss tears

I've seen that episode a few times because back in college Spike would rerun TNG and DS9 all the time, and I never really cared about it.


Then I watched it a couple weeks ago and I hit me like Jurassic Bark.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:

Cthulu Carl posted:

I've seen that episode a few times because back in college Spike would rerun TNG and DS9 all the time, and I never really cared about it.


Then I watched it a couple weeks ago and I hit me like Jurassic Bark.

drat just reading "Jurassic Bark" made me well up.

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.
I started a rewatch of DS9 and I got to one of the Emissary episodes. All the emissary/prophet poo poo is basically the worst, but I think the episode that cemented the Bajorans as complete poo poo is this one.

The old Emissary poet dude comes out of the wormhole and Sisko basically steps down as space jesus since he sees an opportunity to get away from that hokey stuff. Poet guy proceeds to murder a guy on the station and bring back their lovely old caste system, and Kira is like "Welp. Guess things are gonna get lovely again but what can ya do, eh Sisko?"

Then Sisko decides to be the Emissary again despite his wishes because otherwise the Bajorans will set themselves back 1000 years via the equivalent of a cultural bullet to the skull.

gently caress Bajor. I wish the Cardassians had glassed the planet.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

I started a rewatch of DS9 and I got to one of the Emissary episodes. All the emissary/prophet poo poo is basically the worst, but I think the episode that cemented the Bajorans as complete poo poo is this one.

The old Emissary poet dude comes out of the wormhole and Sisko basically steps down as space jesus since he sees an opportunity to get away from that hokey stuff. Poet guy proceeds to murder a guy on the station and bring back their lovely old caste system, and Kira is like "Welp. Guess things are gonna get lovely again but what can ya do, eh Sisko?"

Then Sisko decides to be the Emissary again despite his wishes because otherwise the Bajorans will set themselves back 1000 years via the equivalent of a cultural bullet to the skull.

gently caress Bajor. I wish the Cardassians had glassed the planet.

This is why the Federation should've stuck to the Prime Directive. No good deed goes unpunished.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Gutcruncher posted:

Wasn't Worf raised in Moscow?

Minsk.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



the cowboy episode of enterprise sucks. the wild west required the sustenance of the industrialized east coast/great lakes region to exist. how do these cowboys acquire the durable goods they need like pistols, ammunition, nails, building materials, etc? the whole thing seems based on the flimsy premise that kidnapping cowboys in the 1800s or whatever would necessarily produce a race of cowboys with cowboy characteristics for decades. i'm not buying it@!!!!!!!!

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Let me abbreviate that for you.

Frog Act posted:

enterprise sucks.
You're welcome.

Blood Shart
Sep 23, 2010

Tyson Tomko posted:

Then you hit episodes like Timeless and Course Oblivion and go well drat now that's fresh.

And then you hit the Enterprise decon scenes and Northstar and you're like :gizz:

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

I started a rewatch of DS9 and I got to one of the Emissary episodes. All the emissary/prophet poo poo is basically the worst, but I think the episode that cemented the Bajorans as complete poo poo is this one.

The old Emissary poet dude comes out of the wormhole and Sisko basically steps down as space jesus since he sees an opportunity to get away from that hokey stuff. Poet guy proceeds to murder a guy on the station and bring back their lovely old caste system, and Kira is like "Welp. Guess things are gonna get lovely again but what can ya do, eh Sisko?"

Then Sisko decides to be the Emissary again despite his wishes because otherwise the Bajorans will set themselves back 1000 years via the equivalent of a cultural bullet to the skull.

gently caress Bajor. I wish the Cardassians had glassed the planet.

That episode is important though because it's a big part of where Sisko goes from "I'm embarrassed by this emissary poo poo and I just want it to go away" to "gently caress, I actually care about these stupid Bajorans and understand how important my role is". Which then goes on to influence plots forever through the end of the series. Sisko's transition from amused/embarrassed/analytical to reading Bajoran books and going on fetch quests and stuff is one of the most important serial plots of DS9, if not the most important. Little things, like how he goes from saying "wormhole aliens" to "Prophets" become big things. That episode is an extremely significant part of that storyline.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Sisko in season 1, hell Sisko in season 3, would never say that his future plans were to build a house on Bajor and live there forever.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Gatekeeper posted:

holy poo poo I just realized youre gonna see 'the visitor' for the first time :unsmith: you'd better bring a change of clothes because your eyes are gonna piss tears

I dont remember that one. Which episode is it?

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.

cheerfullydrab posted:

That episode is important though because it's a big part of where Sisko goes from "I'm embarrassed by this emissary poo poo and I just want it to go away" to "gently caress, I actually care about these stupid Bajorans and understand how important my role is". Which then goes on to influence plots forever through the end of the series. Sisko's transition from amused/embarrassed/analytical to reading Bajoran books and going on fetch quests and stuff is one of the most important serial plots of DS9, if not the most important. Little things, like how he goes from saying "wormhole aliens" to "Prophets" become big things. That episode is an extremely significant part of that storyline.

Turns out indoctrination works.

That and being half-magic himself. I hated that poo poo so much.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Oh god neelix was on Voyager when Naomi Wildman was growing up :stonk:

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

Turns out indoctrination works.

That and being half-magic himself. I hated that poo poo so much.

He was a good Emissary because he didn't force the Bajorans into Federation membership, which was his mission, than gently caress off to the shimmering blowjob pavilions of Risa. Actually caring about what happened to those horrible people wasn't precisely what he was sent to Terok Nor to do.

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

cheerfullydrab posted:

Sisko in season 1, hell Sisko in season 3, would never say that his future plans were to build a house on Bajor and live there forever.

to be fair he discovered a whole new planet worth of crustaceans to murder and his plan was really to start up a Sisko's Franchise

Why cookie Rocket
Dec 2, 2003

Lemme tell ya 'bout your blood bamboo kid.
It ain't Coca-Cola, it's rice.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

Worf you grew up in San Diego, shut the gently caress up

When DID they decide that Worf was raised on earth anyway? Because he sure as poo poo is written and acted as a 100% born and raised Klingon dude for the first couple seasons.

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

Why cookie Rocket posted:

When DID they decide that Worf was raised on earth anyway? Because he sure as poo poo is written and acted as a 100% born and raised Klingon dude for the first couple seasons.

i looked it up on memory alpha after i posted that and it's completely confusing and i remember none of it so it's probably a ton of DS9 era retcons or things from novels or something so I have no idea. All of the TOS people had novels making each of them a badass so I can imagine Michael Dorn paid for a novel where worf was a badass child fighting animals to the death at the age of 6 and on Q'onos making demands before the high council as a teenager, instead of a gigantic dork weeaboo.

All I remember from TNG is that he had the human parents and grew up around humans and was a complete dork that was obsessed with a culture he had nothing to do with and every klingon called him on it nonstop.

According to memory alpha he is a badass that lived until 5 on Q'onos, then lived at Khitomer, then lived on a farm planet before going back to Q'onos at 15 and doing klingon rituals before going back with his human parents somewhere unspecified on Earth.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Why cookie Rocket posted:

When DID they decide that Worf was raised on earth anyway? Because he sure as poo poo is written and acted as a 100% born and raised Klingon dude for the first couple seasons.

I'd guess the start of season 2, when he wasn't a background character to Tasha Yar going "oh, that darn Klingon and his ways :allears".

AugmentedVision
Feb 17, 2011

by exmarx

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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worfs squatting ability always seemed second to none

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Why cookie Rocket posted:

When DID they decide that Worf was raised on earth anyway? Because he sure as poo poo is written and acted as a 100% born and raised Klingon dude for the first couple seasons.

Except according to early TNG, he grew up with his adopted (human) parents on a farm world called Gault.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Why cookie Rocket posted:

When DID they decide that Worf was raised on earth anyway? Because he sure as poo poo is written and acted as a 100% born and raised Klingon dude for the first couple seasons.

I hate to break it to you be the times he knifed someone through the ribs and backhanded a woman in the mouth were 100% his Russian upbringing.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Neddy Seagoon posted:

I dont remember that one. Which episode is it?

It's the one where Jake is old and played by Tony Todd, in a future where Sisko was killed in a warp core breach except he wasn't and kept appearing in Jake's life as a ghost displaced in time.

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

quote:

PICARD: Fermat's last theorem. You're familiar with it?
RIKER: Vaguely. I spent too many math classes daydreaming about being on a starship.
PICARD: When Pierre de Fermat died they found this equation scrawled in the margin of his notes. X to the nth plus Y to the nth equals Z to the nth, where n is greater than 2, which he said had no solution in whole numbers. But he also added this phrase. Remarkable proof.
RIKER: Yeah, that's starting to come back to me. There was no proof included.
PICARD: For the eight hundred years people have been trying to solve it.
RIKER: Including you.
PICARD: I find it stimulating. Also, it puts things in perspective. In our arrogance we feel we are so advanced, and yet we cannot unravel a simple knot tied by a part-time French mathematician working alone, without a computer.

I guess it was alright for the shows writers to use current at the time paradoxes and mysteries since creating one wouldn't have been relate able "Gorblox's Theorum of Gnn'ggh!" but suggesting something would remain unsolved for 350 more years is funny when we solve it 20 years later.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
It was real embarrassing when Geordie said no one would ever need more than 32 IsoQuads of storage space...

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

I guess it was alright for the shows writers to use current at the time paradoxes and mysteries since creating one wouldn't have been relate able "Gorblox's Theorum of Gnn'ggh!" but suggesting something would remain unsolved for 350 more years is funny when we solve it 20 years later.

Six years, actually. But you know what, I'll allow it. There's ZERO chance that Fermat used the same reasoning as Wiles did. So if Fermat had an actual proof in mind, it relied on reasoning that we still haven't figured out. (Personally I think the most likely explanation is that Fermat was just mistaken, and if he'd actually written down what he was thinking about, he would have gone "aw gently caress, that doesn't actually work after all, does it". But then I might be wrong.)

And besides, Jadzia Dax once remarked that Tobin's approach to the problem was "the most original approach to the proof since Wiles over 300 years ago." The proof had been published only a month before that episode aired.

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Feb 11, 2007

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JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
Worf's nanny Kahlest should have taken Worf and his brother back to Qo'noS and let them spend the next 20 years training to be whatever the Klingon version of Batman and Robin are.

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

"Anyone can eat a hamburger. Ha! But to look your food in the eye, knowing you'll remember his face for the rest of your life, now that takes... a stomach, much stronger than you'll ever have."

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shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO



This is probably how wraith-powered Gul Dukat made his annual "I hosed your mom" phonecalls to Kira after he died.

"You know Nerys, I your mother once took a bite out of me that burned her mouth as well. It was during the Gratitude festival and I had dined on so much hasperat that evening..."

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