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So are we gonna get marriage equality because Labor has realised it's a great way to wedge the Liberals or am I missing something? Don't get me wrong, any door is a good door, but is this really what it took...
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They wouldn't do it unless they had numbers somewhere?
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Aug 30, 2016 08:13
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Anidav posted:They wouldn't do it unless they had numbers somewhere? Of course they would. It's so the Libs can't say "you're blocking marriage equality" when Labor votes against the Plebiscite.
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Aug 30, 2016 08:21
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How many motions to suspend standing orders did Tony Abbott attempt to pass during opposition?
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Aug 30, 2016 08:22
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No the libs would do mental gymnastics and claim Labor's method has failed on the floor and therefore they should support the liberals
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Aug 30, 2016 08:26
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And nothing resonates better with the common aussie than "give the other way a shot"
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Aug 30, 2016 08:27
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hooman posted:Of course they would. It's so the Libs can't say "you're blocking marriage equality" when Labor votes against the Plebiscite. AND to wedge the Greens too, because they can't vote against a marriage equality bill. If they pull it off, you will never stop hearing about it. I just find the irony of the Bernardi pm bill train in the other direction at the same time, it's like two smug trains zooming past each other. edit: oh poo poo they're multiplying https://twitter.com/michaelkoziol/status/770507181284167680 ewe2 fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Climate Change Authority splits over ETS report commissioned by Coalition Exclusive: Top climate advisers divided over report, which recommends a policy that could break the political gridlock over climate change We warned you about the splits, bro!
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Queensland parliamentary inquiry into women's health unironically recommends against decriminalisation of abortion.
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Aug 30, 2016 08:52
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ewe2 posted:AND to wedge the Greens too, because they can't vote against a marriage equality bill. If they pull it off, you will never stop hearing about it. It doesn't really wedge the greens because they aren't trying to serve two masters on this issue
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Aug 30, 2016 09:00
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Anidav posted:Queensland parliamentary inquiry into women's health unironically recommends against decriminalisation of abortion. It was never not going to be the outcome. The LNP members on the committee were set against any reform from the very beginning, and Reports need to reflect the consensus of the committee. The actual evidence was resoundingly in favour of reform, and there should be enough support in Parliament for a Bill. The current problem is, Rob Pyne has introduced a second Bill amending his first, and the rumblings within the Parliamentary Labor Party seem to suggest they want to introducing a competing Bill so they have this win. But with talk of an election before year end, they won't introduce a Bill that would jeopardise their re-election chances.
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Aug 30, 2016 09:02
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Lmao the plot thickens: https://twitter.com/DavidParis/status/770518578781052928 (He's the communications advisor to Ludlam)
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Aug 30, 2016 09:03
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ewe2 posted:Lmao the plot thickens: Never change Labor party.
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Aug 30, 2016 09:17
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they couldn't go one day, one day without loving it up
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Aug 30, 2016 09:55
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a distant voice floats from above change from within
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Aug 30, 2016 09:57
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ewe2 posted:Lmao the plot thickens: Classic ALP. lol
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Aug 30, 2016 09:58
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So what happens now? Double billing?  Also there's a drat race riot going on in Kalgoolie after an aboriginal kid was run over with a ute. Synthbuttrange fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Aug 30, 2016 10:01
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EvilElmo EvilElmo EVILELMO
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but you see the ALP are good because
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Aug 30, 2016 10:08
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It is an opportunist analogy.
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Aug 30, 2016 10:10
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So conflicted. Yay gay marriage, boo Labor being fuckheads?
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Aug 30, 2016 10:14
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Doesn't Labor have some people who are publicly against Gay Marriage?
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Aug 30, 2016 10:17
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SynthOrange posted:So what happens now? I've seen a few people mention they believe the alleged suspect hunted the kid down and then attacked him, after the theft had initially occurred. Rather than a direct response to the theft occurring where manslaughter could easily be upheld in this racist country of ours. Apparently situations like this aren't uncommon in Kalgoolie, but then again it's an Australian pastime to overact extremely, with violence, to the lesser peoples who commit any crime 
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Schlesische posted:Doesn't Labor have some people who are publicly against Gay Marriage? fairly sure they were all purged, the WA guy was the big one that I remember
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BBJoey posted:fairly sure they were all purged, the WA guy was the big one that I remember I thought he resigned because it was against his moral compass to pass gay marriage, but was a'ok with the indefinite detention of children.
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Schlesische posted:Doesn't Labor have some people who are publicly against Gay Marriage? Only a handful I think.
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Sam Wallman continues to be a national treasure http://www.sbs.com.au/news/feature/winding-window-end-australian-auto-industry
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Aug 30, 2016 10:56
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Don't worry, the marriage equality debate won't spotlight rhetoric harmful to lgbt people.
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Aug 30, 2016 11:02
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Has the government (state or federal) come up with a (real) plan for all those workers yet? Doesn't seem like the kind of thing you'd want to leave to the last minute. [EDIT: http://economicdevelopment.vic.gov.au/about-us/overview/strategies-and-initiatives/victorias-automotive-transition-plan http://www.statedevelopment.sa.gov.au/industry/automotive I guess there's something, hope it's enough!] open24hours fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Aug 30, 2016 11:03
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Box of Bunnies posted:Don't worry, the marriage equality debate won't spotlight rhetoric harmful to lgbt people. You're giving them hits by not pasting the text. Is this about “equality” or is there something else at play? New laws allowing people to designate a non-biological gender on their birth certificate should wait until after the plebiscite on changing the definition of marriage. Australian Christian Lobby Managing Director Lyle Shelton said radical changes that would allow men identifying as women to enter women’s private spaces such as toilets and change rooms needed wider public discussion. “The LGBTIQ political lobbyists are moving way too fast for ordinary Australians who hold to the biological view of boys and girls, men and women and do not want gender theory taught as fact at school,” Mr Shelton said. “Premier Daniel Andrews is one of the most vocal proponents of same-sex marriage and he is at the forefront of the compulsory indoctrination of children into radical gender theory at school. “This week’s move to allow birth certificates to be changed by someone who thinks they might be of the opposite sex is the latest in a deliberate ideological campaign to deconstruct society’s gender norms,” Mr Shelton said. The Victorian Government’s proposal is that gender on birth certificates should be allowed to be altered, even without sex change surgery. Queensland activists groups are also calling for similar legislation. The laws also allow people who have sought to change their sex to remain married without having to divorce on the grounds that they were in a same-sex relationship. “Australians will soon be voting on whether gender diversity should be removed as a requirement for marriage,” Mr Shelton said. “That is the appropriate time to debate the sort of ideas put forward by the Andrews Government. “Given that ‘safe schools’ and jettisoning biological reality on birth certificates are a package deal with same-sex marriage, it is only fitting that the Australian people have a say on whether or not our nation continues down this path.” Mr Shelton said Mr Andrews new laws would make many private spaces unsafe for women. “Why should a man identifying as a woman be allowed into a woman’s gym or a domestic violence shelter? “Why should biological males identifying as women be allowed into women’s public toilets and shower facilities?” It is time to re-think the rainbow political agenda and the marriage plebiscite is the ideal time to have a respectful debate about the consequences of redefining marriage. Mr Shelton said many people were unaware that the ACT Government, another big supporter of redefining marriage, had already removed gender from childrens’ birth certificates with parents having to opt-in to have mother and father recorded. ENDS
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I don't mind Labor putting their own bill through first. Fine. Still happy if it gets it debated in parliament.
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Box of Bunnies posted:Don't worry, the marriage equality debate won't spotlight rhetoric harmful to lgbt people. Starshark posted:You're giving them hits by not pasting the text. Yeah, remove the link text so it's obvious where it's going, I didn't want to be counted as a view for those fuckers.
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Starshark posted:You're giving them hits by not pasting the text. lol this is the same poo poo that's being argued in the US
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quote:two babies are mixed-up in a Sydney hospital, resulting in one of them being accidentally cremated, New South Wales health authorities say.  They were already in the morgue
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Aug 30, 2016 11:29
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lmao where did the gas mix-up happen? was it NSW??
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Recoome posted:lol this is the same poo poo that's being argued in the US Of course it is, people love to import US political arguments.
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Aug 30, 2016 11:41
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it's really a great preview about just the kind of poo poo the LGBTIQ community is going to be facing. I think you'll probably expect a lot of street action from LGBTIQ community and allies and idk if the equality opponents are as comfortable with street demonstrations (have they ever??)
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Aug 30, 2016 11:47
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SynthOrange posted:So conflicted. Yay gay marriage, boo Labor being fuckheads? Better than the conflict we had last night.
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Google Malcolm Turnbull dead cat
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open24hours posted:Has the government (state or federal) come up with a (real) plan for all those workers yet? Doesn't seem like the kind of thing you'd want to leave to the last minute. the government actually tends to do a reasonable job at reskilling workers who get caught up in major industry upheavals because it's high visibility and you tend to get a lot of warning so there's enough time for the bureaucracy to go through all the motions. it's also a good news story, so the LNP can go "look, these workers who we're throwing millions of dollars in training at managed to get a job! why can't these unemployed layabouts get one? k i l l t h e p o o r".
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