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Aw man. Yeah, forgot we had swedes here. HEGEL, please don't ever take my answers on what the Swedish do or say as not lies. Our history is.. complicated.
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Kemper Boyd posted:I think I fell asleep while watching that and woke up to needing to use the toilet. That is my Lindybeige experience. thank u 4 ur service
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Tias posted:Aw man.
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Tias posted:Aw man. haha no, i'm a finn, we have mandatory swedish in schools (where almost no one learns any usable swedish), but i've studied more than the minimum and i have swedish speaking relatives HEY GAL posted:as far as i can tell, this thread is mostly Nordics. More enemies for me when we play Pike and Shotte in grey hunter's upcoming Pike and Shotte game, then! drat i had forgotten about that, when it's on, is there a thread yet?
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Hogge Wild posted:drat i had forgotten about that, when it's on, is there a thread yet?
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Hogge Wild posted:Were the big estates in Prussia better mechanized? The large estates were generally much more developed and mechanized and worked like farms in the US or UK, some were also let out in lots of small parts to tenant farmers in a similar process to what occurred in the middle ages, though that was still known to happen across europe at this time in other countries at well.
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The Germans also experienced huge shortages of pork during the war Because the pigs all joined the Wehrmacht 
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MikeCrotch posted:Oh god. Lindybeige has a new video. It's called..."Cavalry Was a Stupid Idea". Somebody clearly hasn't moved out the way of a horse!
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MikeCrotch posted:Oh god. Lindybeige has a new video. It's called..."Cavalry Was a Stupid Idea". Its a really dumb title for a not very good video about the difficulties of fighting on horseback and developing the technology for such.
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Aug 30, 2016 15:32
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I'm not going to give that idiot page views. Can someone tldr how he hand waves away the only option for that kind of tactical mobility before the internal combustion engine?
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Aug 30, 2016 15:37
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MikeCrotch posted:Oh god. Lindybeige has a new video. It's called..."Cavalry Was a Stupid Idea". Should never have invented the saddle, imo, chariot was fine, don't need to change. Also Huns never existed.
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OwlFancier posted:Should never have invented the saddle, imo, chariot was fine, don't need to change. Athena Lied Hector Died
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Aug 30, 2016 15:38
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Bodicea had a chariot and she beat rome, ergo roman tactics are poo poo and chariots are best. And if you think about it tanks are just horseless chariots. Makes u think.
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MikeCrotch posted:Oh god. Lindybeige has a new video. It's called..."Cavalry Was a Stupid Idea". That is a click bait title if I have ever seen one.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I'm not going to give that idiot page views. Can someone tldr how he hand waves away the only option for that kind of tactical mobility before the internal combustion engine? Sitting on a horse is hard. Barely domesticated horses are not naturally inclined to fight. Horses are a big vulnerable target that when they charge at you an infantryman will casually shiv it up. Early horses were small and sitting on them in armor is difficult. Chariots are apparently superb. Stopped about the time of the Romans with a brief afterword about stirrups. There are no upsides to cavalry except in their use as chariots and logistical movers.
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HEY GAL posted:Athena Lied Hector Died Helen of Troy was a 8.5 at best, didn't even score one mega-Monroe!! Click to SEE
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MikeCrotch posted:Oh god. Lindybeige has a new video. It's called..."Cavalry Was a Stupid Idea". It's clickbait. He's talking mostly about how people didn't physically ride horses into battle for the longest time, and something about how the stirrups weren't as important of an innovation as the saddle that distributed their weight, but he overlooks the most important technological innovation for cavalry: horses big enough to ride.
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Shetland pony cavalry seems fine to me. Get tiny fat men to ride them.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's clickbait. He's talking mostly about how people didn't physically ride horses into battle for the longest time, and something about how the stirrups weren't as important of an innovation as the saddle that distributed their weight, but he overlooks the most important technological innovation for cavalry: horses big enough to ride. I'm assuming robust enough agriculture to support large numbers of big horses was pretty important too (unless you are the Mongols and live on giant grassy steppes)
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What was typically done with horses past their working prime? Eaten or put out to stud, I'm assuming? At least in modern times horses are considered past their prime once they're into their teens, but can live well into their twenties or thirties. Their lifespans are roughly twice the number of years they'd be fit for battle I'd guess.
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Hogge Wild posted:haha no, i'm a finn, we have mandatory swedish in schools (where almost no one learns any usable swedish), but i've studied more than the minimum and i have swedish speaking relatives I'm going to a sober tribe thing in Helsinki next year, think we could get together and watch military thinges?
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm assuming robust enough agriculture to support large numbers of big horses was pretty important too (unless you are the Mongols and live on giant grassy steppes) what if i am the hungarians (your choice of three versions of them)
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Tias posted:I'm going to a sober tribe thing in Helsinki next year, think we could get together and watch military thinges? Coming to Finland to be sober? But yeah sure!
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Polyakov posted:
RECONNAISSANCE MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU DO IT?
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Anyone coming to Turku in Finland can hit me up, I can show you the tombs of Tott and Stålhandske and rant about the local geography and the lack of historical sources about the area.
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it not even like sitting on a horse with a saddle is hard, just use your thighs jesus how fat/anemic is this dweeb
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Agean90 posted:it not even like sitting on a horse with a saddle is hard, just use your thighs jesus
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Tias posted:I'm going to a sober tribe thing in Helsinki next year, think we could get together and watch military thinges? There is some suitable real estate coming available soon: https://goo.gl/maps/cz7aS2Psryw As automatic translation always works for Finnish really well: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Ffi.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FIsosaari&edit-text= (BTW, does anyone anymore use gun/fortress coastal artillery anymore? Koreans?)
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Polyakov posted:Sitting on a horse is hard. quote:Barely domesticated horses are not naturally inclined to fight. quote:Horses are a big vulnerable target that when they charge at you an infantryman will casually shiv it up. quote:Early horses were small and sitting on them in armor is difficult. quote:Chariots are apparently superb. quote:Stopped about the time of the Romans with a brief afterword about stirrups. quote:There are no upsides to cavalry except in their use as chariots and logistical movers. 1. gently caress. 2. If a horse is being used as a pack animal it is no longer cavalry.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:lmao
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm assuming robust enough agriculture to support large numbers of big horses was pretty important too (unless you are the Mongols and live on giant grassy steppes) Draught animals increase yields so having more of them isn't a problem as such.
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That thing where Hannibal won them battles with them numidian horses, didn't happen.
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Disinterested posted:Draught animals increase yields so having more of them isn't a problem as such. Horses eat like horses, so keeping large cavalry formations on non-steppes is extremely expensive.
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Speaking of cavalry, I have a stupid question. There's man on a horse with a bow, with a javelin, with a pistol, with a carbine, etc. but did anyone ever try horse slingers? I imagine this is a recipe for a disaster such as cracking your skull open with a rock, but it seems like the sort of thing that if you could get it to work would be worthwhile. Also, no mention of elephant cavalry in that dumb video? Lame.
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OwlFancier posted:That thing where Hannibal won them battles with them numidian horses, didn't happen. I think you'll find that Hannibal ultimately lost that war. Checkmate, cavailures 
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OwlFancier posted:That thing where Hannibal won them battles with them numidian horses, didn't happen. Mongols? Never heard of them.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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ArchangeI posted:RECONNAISSANCE MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU DO IT? Pfft reconnaissance. If you horse guys are so great why can't you go do the thing *infantry doesn't support attack, gains are not exploited* Lol idiot horses, cavalry sucks
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Cavalry is dumb and stupid, just look at the Charge of the Light Brigade! 
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Ithle01 posted:Speaking of cavalry, I have a stupid question. There's man on a horse with a bow, with a javelin, with a pistol, with a carbine, etc. but did anyone ever try horse slingers? I imagine this is a recipe for a disaster such as cracking your skull open with a rock, but it seems like the sort of thing that if you could get it to work would be worthwhile. Quick googling says that it was tried: https://books.google.fi/books?id=ba...lingers&f=false
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Ithle01 posted:Speaking of cavalry, I have a stupid question. There's man on a horse with a bow, with a javelin, with a pistol, with a carbine, etc. but did anyone ever try horse slingers? I imagine this is a recipe for a disaster such as cracking your skull open with a rock, but it seems like the sort of thing that if you could get it to work would be worthwhile. The physical limitations of your weapon are important to consider. If a likely end-state of using a weapon in a certain way is "disaster", nobody is going to pick it up. I have no idea why it would be worthwhile either. Slings are just "okay" and you can't really scale them up.
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