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I'm curious, do units who change allegiance midcombat become unable to act? Could Parson waltz a horde of bats right up to Charlie and then transfer them back to Transylvito so they could attack, then pull them back and have Caeser transfer them to Gobwin Knob in the same turn?
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Aug 30, 2016 08:15
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Onmi posted:I'm curious, do units who change allegiance midcombat become unable to act? Could Parson waltz a horde of bats right up to Charlie and then transfer them back to Transylvito so they could attack, then pull them back and have Caeser transfer them to Gobwin Knob in the same turn? Units that get uncroaked can act, which is kinda the same mechanically, I think. But I think FAQ being a separate entity means Jillian doesn't have to abide by the treaty. I want Parson to get all those bats miniature gunpowder bombs. They got all the ingredients for it.
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Aug 30, 2016 08:57
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nimby posted:Units that get uncroaked can act, which is kinda the same mechanically, I think. But I think FAQ being a separate entity means Jillian doesn't have to abide by the treaty. It just seems like his kind of exploit "Shoot my troops and I ping you for 5 Mil, don't and then right when they're in range they change allegiance and immediately become able to assault you. Then all I have to do is have Caeser order them to break and then have him trade allegiance back to GK, making you lose 5 mil on each attack."
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Aug 30, 2016 09:16
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Onmi posted:It just seems like his kind of exploit "Shoot my troops and I ping you for 5 Mil, don't and then right when they're in range they change allegiance and immediately become able to assault you. Then all I have to do is have Caeser order them to break and then have him trade allegiance back to GK, making you lose 5 mil on each attack." And there's nearly zero chance it could be used back against him. After all, who would trust Charlescomm enough to transfer units over to them?
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Aug 30, 2016 17:07
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Goes all the way back to book 1, where Parson identified the goal was not to hold the Garrison, but to render the enemy unwilling or unable to take the Garrison. Charlie has upkeep to pay, Even with his gem reserves, there's only so many hits to the treasury he can take before it simply becomes too cost prohibitive to to attack until the treaty is annulled and the moment it is Parson is free to wipe out Jillian, which is the reason he made the deal, not to mention Charlie almost definitely put a harsh out-clause into the contract.
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Aug 30, 2016 17:28
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Charlie can afford the hits it'd take to wipe out 200 bats, though. GK would be loaded, but Charlie would get Parson.
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Aug 30, 2016 19:58
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nimby posted:Charlie can afford the hits it'd take to wipe out 200 bats, though. GK would be loaded, but Charlie would get Parson. Nope. Charlescomm has around 200 million in schmuckers and 500 million in gems. Even if you took out every bat in 1 hit you'd only get 3/4 of them before the contract starts eating units and cities.
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Aug 30, 2016 20:19
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nimby posted:Charlie can afford the hits it'd take to wipe out 200 bats, though. GK would be loaded, but Charlie would get Parson. Sure, if it was just two hundred bats. And using that cash you can transfer to Transylvito, and have them promote units to Knight, expensive yeah, but they're rich! Not to mention those units would be in Caeser's hex, getting his absurd bonus. Meanwhile 200 bats are screening for the Transylvitos. Drain the treasury, send the money to Transylvito, who funnels it into improving the units, who are screened by more Gobwin Knob units. As Parson just said, fight them Transylvito style. Bat swarms with Caeser's bonus, followed by a wall of money drainers.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:02
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This is, of course, assuming Charlie does just hit TV in the straightforward, Archons-with-guns method. We're assuming that last panel is what Parson is imagining, right? If Charlie is doing something more devious (like, say, with the heir)...
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Aug 30, 2016 21:18
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I'm nursing a suspicion that the new royal will be a carnymancer.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:48
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Parson's also assuming that Charlie isn't going to cut his losses and simply kill Parson. Maybe he's gonna lose a hundred million or so to the bats as they're screening, but all it takes is one lucky hit and the insta-croak rifles will do their thing. Charlie's already shown a willingness to let Parson die if it's clear that capturing him is not feasible.
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Aug 31, 2016 00:45
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Taerkar posted:I'm nursing a suspicion that the new royal will be a carnymancer. The heir's probably gonna have some of Vanna's signamancy because that's who Don's been screwing and (if Albert is any indication) that seems to have an effect on it. So combining game shows with Italian vampires gets you Snookie from Jersey Shore or something.
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Aug 31, 2016 05:15
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7c Nickel posted:Nope. Charlescomm has around 200 million in schmuckers and 500 million in gems. Even if you took out every bat in 1 hit you'd only get 3/4 of them before the contract starts eating units and cities. Turns out 200 times 5 isn't 100, but 1000  Still, Charlescomm doesn't have to take out all of the bats. And Jillian is most likely far enough removed from Charlie that she doesn't have to pay.
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Aug 31, 2016 08:45
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Also reminder Charlescomm is still financially supporting Faq along with all its other monetary drains. Again, they don't need to drive him into debt, they merely need to lower his bank account to the point where pushing on is so unfeasible that he cannot support Upkeep.
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Aug 31, 2016 09:20
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Wasn't the alliance between Faq and Charlescomm unofficial? I think Faq is free to attack GK units with no penalties.
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Aug 31, 2016 09:27
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kwokkie posted:Wasn't the alliance between Faq and Charlescomm unofficial? I think Faq is free to attack GK units with no penalties. You are correct, but for a slightly different reason. http://archives.erfworld.com/Book+3/30 Specifically, the contract was signed only by CC and GK, Jillian was unconscious at the time. FAQ has no magical obligations at all. GK is bound not to attack FAQ, except for taking reasonable defensive action against FAQ aggression (it's anybody's guess what Signamancy would consider reasonable), and even in that case they still cannot hurt Jillian.
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Aug 31, 2016 12:41
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There's also the question of how the treaty handles forces hired by Charlie.
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Aug 31, 2016 13:59
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The impression I get is that they're more worried about the Archons with guns than anything Jillian is fielding. And I don't think Charlie would just give his Archons away to another side. They're still likely working directly for Charlie and are thus bound by the rules.
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Sep 1, 2016 14:06
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Of course the odds are good that Jillian ain't going anywhere near Transylvito. She's probably taking a shot at Goblin Knob because she's pissed about Ansom showing up on her doorstep. because reacting emotionally and instinctively rather than with thought out tactics is pretty much Jillian's thing.
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Sep 1, 2016 16:59
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Do we have any idea why Caesar dislikes Skyy Appletini so much?
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Sep 3, 2016 10:00
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NihilCredo posted:Do we have any idea why Caesar dislikes Skyy Appletini so much? He doesn't, his relationship with Bunny is a secret.
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Sep 4, 2016 04:56
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Seravadon posted:The impression I get is that they're more worried about the Archons with guns than anything Jillian is fielding. And I don't think Charlie would just give his Archons away to another side. They're still likely working directly for Charlie and are thus bound by the rules. Consider that guns kill across portals and probably hexes which is basically cthulu territory for how factions think things work.
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Sep 4, 2016 06:12
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Grognan posted:Consider that guns kill across portals and probably hexes which is basically cthulu territory for how factions think things work. Guns kill from Charlies carnied portal, check the panel again the bullets ricochet off other portals
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Sep 4, 2016 06:14
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Onmi posted:Guns kill from Charlies carnied portal, check the panel again the bullets ricochet off other portals As far as we know, poo poo gets strange with carnymancers. I bet if you linked Dirtamancy, Shockmancy and a Carny you could make a nuke.
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Grognan posted:As far as we know, poo poo gets strange with carnymancers. I bet if you linked Dirtamancy, Shockmancy and a Carny you could make a nuke. A nuke isn't cheating the rules of reality, so a dirtomancer might be able to make it on his own if there is uranium in Erfworld. If there isn't any, you'd probably need Charlie or parson in the link to help cheat some yellowcake into existence.
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Sep 4, 2016 06:41
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Onmi posted:He doesn't, his relationship with Bunny is a secret. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Can you expand?
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Sep 4, 2016 10:08
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http://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/192 When the heroes explain their foolproof plan, it is bound to fail. I'm trying to figure out what the twist will be.
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Sep 6, 2016 06:20
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Bruceski posted:http://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/192 That Charlie had no intention of striking at Transylvito's capital, either directly or through Jillian (if he's gonna take down Parson by force, it will be in the field during his return to GK), and that he will reveal to Don the actual target of Jillian's expedition in order to convince him that they're on the same side.
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Sep 6, 2016 06:54
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Bruceski posted:http://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/192 The twist is obviously going to be Charlie, since that's his job as a Carny.  How's TV going to react when they found out Faq isn't launching a sneak attack on them?
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Sep 6, 2016 07:16
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I kinda hope Jillian isn't going to attack anything important at all. Too many stories in comics and games put too much emphasis on something outlandish that might happen and then guess what happens! I would settle for a Jillian that wants to do a magic kingdom jailbreak of Wanda, though. She could get in through Charlie's portal.
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Sep 6, 2016 07:33
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NihilCredo posted:I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Can you expand? Caeser's relationship with bunny is a secret, no one is meant to know they're together. Ergo when Caeser wan't to talk to Bunny in private and there's one of his warlords in the room he has to command her out, and if she starts questioning him rather than doing what she's told he's going to get pissy.
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Sep 6, 2016 07:55
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Does this Johnny Depp as Beetlejuice looking fellow actually have eyes, or are the eyes magically painted on his glasses?
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The current page confuses me. Why on Earth would Don even consider accepting Charlie's offer? If it was only Don's own life at stake I could see him prioritising an ASAP heir above everything else, but he's worried about a capital strike, not an assassination attempt. Should the City of Transylvito fall to gun-wielding fliers tomorrow, the heir's just as dead as he is. And that's before we consider the far more generous offer from Gobwin Knob, or the danger of trusting Charlie not to pull any shenanigans during a link-up with Vanna - though I guess a Contract could allay those concerns. I'm really curious to see why Charlie thought this would be an effective bait. Perhaps he's just wrong, after all he seems to have completely whiffed with his initial cash offer (it didn't look much like an intentional lowball to me).
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Well, I can see two scenarios here: 1) Charlie isn't planning a capital strike. He's unaware that Parson has been suggesting that possibility to Don, and so thinks his normal throw-money-around, grant-some-favors method of dealing will work. 2) Charlie is planning a capital strike, but isn't letting that slip to anyone, including Vanna. As such, he's behaving exactly the same way he would be if he wasn't planning it, so as to throw off Parson. Honestly, if Charlie can get his hands on the bracer and Parson without going full military on anyone, he's going to try. Doing so will damage his reputation with the rest of the sides far too much for his liking. The moment he ends a side with guns, he's going to get a bunch of previously neutral sides gunning for him, either in self-defense or to get the secret of guns from him. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Sep 20, 2016 |
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Charlie knows Don believes he's about to be hit by Jillian. He also knows Caesar made Vinny Doombats drafted a plan of conquering the capital of Faq. Charlie's offer probably goes something like this: 1) Turn Albert to Transylvito. 2) Get Albert and Vinny to conquer the capital of Faq. 3) The army of Jillian, still 2 turns away, can't pay upkeep (since treasury goes when you lose your capital) and disbands almost entirely. 4) Charlie pays enough for Albert to set up a new side. 5) New heir pops in a few turns as a bonus. No more threat to the side from Jillian, a new loyal ally, whatever money Jillian had in her treasury and all the prestige that goes with taking out Parson. Plus whatever extra cash they feel like squeezing out of Charlie; a few mil is chump change at this point. Plus they get to keep the bracer and try to reverse engineer the gun or sell it for even more money. It's not a bad offer, considering preserving the side has to be the most important thing for every ruler.
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Sep 20, 2016 21:02
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Don's counter-offer is great though.
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Sep 20, 2016 21:13
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Carrasco posted:Don's counter-offer is great though.
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NihilCredo posted:The current page confuses me. Why on Earth would Don even consider accepting Charlie's offer? If it was only Don's own life at stake I could see him prioritising an ASAP heir above everything else, but he's worried about a capital strike, not an assassination attempt. Should the City of Transylvito fall to gun-wielding fliers tomorrow, the heir's just as dead as he is. Don's not looking to accept Charlie's offer, he's playing for intel and seeing what Charlie is willing to offer. GK has so much money that they didn't even try to negotiate down a 2m ransom, Charlie doesn't match and instead looks for alternative payments. Could mean cash flow issues, could mean he's still intent on hiding his cards. He specifically mentions wanting all of Parson's equipment, obviously a hint towards the bracer - that means he knows the power of the bracer and either wants it for himself or doesn't want it in the hands of others, if not both. Charlie offers to cut a dozen turns off the production of a unit. Even if Don walks away from the table right now he's won a big piece of intel, because that's something Charlie can do to his own production. If he has enough Turnamancers - and with the earlier offer of 1.5m schmuckers, he can certainly afford to hire them - he can turn one city's worth of production into four or five easily. That's the kind of thing you want to know if you're about to fight a war. Charlie's side of the negotiations is harder to gauge because we don't know what he's angling for. We know he wants to do some kind of spell with Vanna, but we don't know if that was entirely truth or some clever misinformation (given its Charlie, I'm inclined towards the latter). We don't know if the lowball offer was a result of his loss of full Arkendish connectivity thereby missing the thinkagram between Don and Stanley, or a ploy to set the mood when revealing the production rush.
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Hob_Gadling posted:Charlie's offer probably goes something like this: That's a good idea, and would explain how he could offer a prince in one turn instead of the seven he mentioned to Vanna. But Charlie specifically said "the one you're popping", so that can't be it.
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