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linoleum floors: Mar 25, 2012; Please. Let me tell you all about how you're all idiots. I am of superior intellect here. Go suck some dicks. You have all fucking stupid opinions. This is my fucking opinion.

a fleshy snood posted:

I know a guy, let me ask him and project his opinion onto all native people and get back to you

lol

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linoleum floors: Mar 25, 2012; Please. Let me tell you all about how you're all idiots. I am of superior intellect here. Go suck some dicks. You have all fucking stupid opinions. This is my fucking opinion.

let have teachers dress up in blackface to teach our children about black culture. that would be real cool

do people understand that native people dont all sit around in teepees wearing feathers? i feel like puking

# ? Aug 30, 2016 13:59

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

linoleum floors posted:

let have teachers dress up in blackface to teach our children about black culture. that would be real cool

do people understand that native people dont all sit around in teepees wearing feathers? i feel like puking

I unironically do actually know an older native guy, and I've been with him where a random white woman has approached us and asked if he was a chief. Like she spotted a mythical native person and had to interrogate him about his spiritual wisdom. Yes, he has long hair, but Jesus Christ lady, no that's not the case. Mind you, this was on Manitoulin Island where the people are pretty strange.

edit: I guess my point is white people are often totally clueless to their built in racism/stereotyping

velvet milkman fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Aug 30, 2016

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:13

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

It's a loving primary school you dumb assholes

Do you realize not every loving Chinese person understands no hao or gong hay fat choy

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:20

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

namaste faggots posted:

It's a loving primary school you dumb assholes

Yes but there's hope, if Objective Mom's totally accurate account of what her kid thought and felt at the time is any indication:

quote:

Dorner's sister, Sarah Dorner, has an eight-year-old at the school and told CBC Montreal's Homerun the girl was uncomfortable and didn't want to take part in the activity.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:30

P-Value Hack: Apr 4, 2016

Out of all the places where we need legitimate "SJWs" running the show, it is kindergarden and the like. Most people who are already adults have so much goddamn baggage that identifying any racism is like shining a spotlight on their face and a personal insult.

Teaching kids while they're young is even more important than if this happened at a university.

Once again PT6A makes a lovely generalization "See, this is what I'm talking about" which is dumb.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:33

Guy DeBorgore: Apr 6, 1994; Catnip is the opiate of the masses; Soiled Meat

Look at y'all saying "native" people like it's the 90s, if you're gonna get outraged over primary school teachers dressing up for small children you might wanna get your terminology down.

By 2025 it's gonna be considered gravely offensive to reference Indigenous people in any way shape or form and it will also be offensive not to talk about them. The few Canadians who haven't fled to Cascadia will have duct-taped their mouths shut or else be called racist on the CBC's front page.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:34

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Intervening early (i.e. in kindergarten and early grade school) is how we got recycling to become the norm in Canada. Over the course of a single generation we went from throwing everything in the garbage to recycling most packaging, because we taught a bunch of young kids that recycling is important and then they went home and told their parents that they were killing the planet when they threw out recyclable materials, and the parents went along with it to avoid pissing off their whiny children. This isn't an exact analogue because there isn't huge emotional baggage attached to recycling unless you count anti-global-warming morons who love throwing everything away, but basically Swagger is right and we should be making every possible effort to teach kids not to be assholes. If that means having white people intervene to tell teachers not to be racist I'm all for it.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:36

Guy DeBorgore: Apr 6, 1994; Catnip is the opiate of the masses; Soiled Meat

flakeloaf posted:

Yes but there's hope, if Objective Mom's totally accurate account of what her kid thought and felt at the time is any indication:

The kids in this article can't even do long division yet but thank god they know to be consciously on the lookout for "cultural appropriation".

There are kids out there who can't remember the global financial crisis but who've lived through at least three different euphemisms for Indigenous people

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:37

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Guy DeBorgore posted:

The kids in this article can't even do long division yet but thank god they know to be consciously on the lookout for "cultural appropriation".

Well, one of those skills they'll use for their whole life.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:38

Kenny Logins: Jan 11, 2011; EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

Guy DeBorgore posted:

Look at y'all saying "native" people like it's the 90s, if you're gonna get outraged over primary school teachers dressing up for small children you might wanna get your terminology down.

By 2025 it's gonna be considered gravely offensive to reference Indigenous people in any way shape or form and it will also be offensive not to talk about them. The few Canadians who haven't fled to Cascadia will have duct-taped their mouths shut or else be called racist on the CBC's front page.

Our Shadowrun Future is already like 5 years behind at this point, though.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 14:41

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Guy DeBorgore posted:

The kids in this article can't even do long division yet but thank god they know to be consciously on the lookout for "cultural appropriation".

There are kids out there who can't remember the global financial crisis but who've lived through at least three different euphemisms for Indigenous people

Sorry that you are offended that you can't use the phrase "lazy natives" anymore. Prehaps you should pull up your bootstraps.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 15:55

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

The Ontario Liberals, after delaying any action for years and making numerous defenses of the current rules and regulations, appear to have suddenly made a complete about face and are now proposing to implement sweeping new fundraising rules that sound like they'd be the strictest in the country:

quote:

Ontario pulls sudden about-face with vow to ban cash-for-access fundraisers

ADRIAN MORROW

TORONTO � The Globe and Mail

Published Monday, Aug. 29, 2016 3:04PM EDT
Last updated Monday, Aug. 29, 2016 8:38PM EDT

Ontario�s Liberal government is promising to ban provincial politicians from attending fundraising events � a dramatic policy U-turn designed to contain a cash-for-access scandal roiling Queen�s Park.

In a surprise statement on Monday afternoon, Government House Leader Yasir Naqvi pledged to amend Bill 201, a package of campaign-finance reforms making its way through the legislature, to bar MPPs from going to fundraisers.

Under the cash-for-access system � first reported by The Globe and Mail in February, 2013, two weeks after Kathleen Wynne was sworn in as Premier � corporate executives, union leaders and lobbyists paid up to $10,000 apiece for private time with Ms. Wynne and members of her cabinet, typically over cocktails and dinner. Attendees included companies that are affected by government policy and contracting decisions.

�When the House resumes in September, we will be introducing an amendment to ban fundraising events for all MPPs,� Mr. Naqvi said in the statement, which another Liberal MPP read out in the middle of a fractious meeting of the legislative committee reviewing Bill 201. �Banning fundraising events is a significant change that will affect both parties and riding associations.�

While political parties would still be allowed to seek contributions under the new rules, the statement said, politicians would be prohibited from attending events to raise money � effectively barring them from offering one-on-one time to people who want to influence government policy in exchange for campaign donations.

The Liberals had long refused to ban cash-for-access amid mounting pressure from the opposition and campaign-finance experts. While Ms. Wynne has been the main voice and primary decision-maker on the issue, Mr. Naqvi is the minister steering the bill.

For more than three years after taking power, Ms. Wynne kept the system going and made no attempt to bar the practice. The Liberals included no provisions to stop cash-for-access when they introduced Bill 201 this spring. They also did not include a ban in their first-reading amendments to the bill, tabled last week. As recently as last Wednesday, Mr. Naqvi insisted a legislated ban on such fundraising would be impractical.

Only after the Progressive Conservatives and NDP introduced amendments of their own to ban the practice did the Liberals have a change of heart.

Mr. Naqvi vowed in the statement that his rules will be tougher than those proposed by the opposition parties, which would prevent MPPs from soliciting donations from people who do business with the government. Mr. Naqvi said the Liberals will bar the opposition amendments.

�There are currently no amendments before the committee that go as far as we need to go on this issue,� he said in the statement. �As a result, we will [be] voting down [the opposition�s] weaker amendments on the issue and bring forward a stronger amendment at second reading.�

Mr. Naqvi said the Liberals would also bring in a per-vote subsidy to riding associations to make up for an expected decline in donations under the ban. The Liberals had previously proposed such a subsidy only for central party coffers.

In a subsequent conference call with reporters, Mr. Naqvi said many details of the promised ban, such as how it would be enforced, are still being worked out. �I just ask you for some patience as we determine all those policy options,� he said.

Nevertheless, he denied that the Liberals are scrambling to defuse the issue after the legislative committee ratcheted up the pressure on them. �This is not by any means a last-minute, hasty decision,� he insisted.

NDP MPP Catherine Fife said she would wait until the Liberals table the full text of their amendment before celebrating.

�It�s a last-ditch, desperate effort to look like they had any intention of doing the right thing,� she said. �If we are successful in truly making election financing transparent and accountable in this province, then we will have won by holding them to account. But the devil is always in the details with this government.�

Earlier in the day, the Liberals used their majority on the committee to vote down every opposition attempt to strengthen Bill 201, including a provision that would have limited spending by political parties on polling and travel at election time.

The debate grew so heated that PC MPP Randy Hillier referred to Liberals on the committee as �parrots� repeating scripted talking points from the Premier�s office. When Liberal MPP Daiene Vernile complained that the ornithological comparison was �degrading and inappropriate,� Mr. Hillier taunted her by clucking like a chicken.

PC deputy leader Steve Clark said the Liberal practice of blocking all opposition amendments to Bill 201 � combined with Mr. Naqvi�s decision to drop his announcement in the middle of the debate � show the government is determined to run the process by diktat.

�You people are a real piece of work,� he admonished the Liberals at committee after Mr. Naqvi�s statement was read out. �Not only did you continue to do cash-for-access even after you were caught � this whole process, it�s just been a sham. You�re going to do whatever you want to do.�

# ? Aug 30, 2016 16:28

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Helsing posted:

"The debate grew so heated that PC MPP Randy Hillier referred to Liberals on the committee as “parrots” repeating scripted talking points from the Premier’s office. When Liberal MPP Daiene Vernile complained that the ornithological comparison was “degrading and inappropriate,” Mr. Hillier taunted her by clucking like a chicken."

loving lol

# ? Aug 30, 2016 17:02

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Okay, Ontario, we tried this whole "government" thing, but it appears we, as a province, are not up to the task. Let's just all promise to behave and become a federally managed territory.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 17:40

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

How nice of the OLP to finally start taking fundraising reform seriously and to stop raising the license plate renewal fees. I'm sure it has nothing to do with their horrible approvals and the election coming in 2 years.

Since the Ontario PCs have proven themselves incapable of finding an electable leader I guess I will have to vote for the NDP or perhaps a loving party of moose from Atikokan.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 17:42

HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Also in Ontario Politics, Patrick Brown has decided he doesn't want to be Premier after all, because after alienating soft-right and centrist voters by saying he'd scrap sex-ed ahead of a key by-election, he turned around and apologized for saying that, thus alienating hard-right voters.

quote:

Patrick Brown says PCs may lose Scarborough byelection after flip flop on sex-ed

Ontario's Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown says his changing position on the Liberal government's sex-ed curriculum may cost him the byelection in the Toronto riding of Scarborough Rouge River on Thursday.

A campaign letter distributed last week, just days before the byelection, said a Progressive Conservative government would "scrap the controversial changes to sex ed" if Brown wins the 2018 provincial election. On Monday, Brown admitted that letter was a "mistake."

Today, he told CBC's Metro Morning that the flip flop may damage his party politically.

"I realize this may cost me the byelection in Scarborough-Rouge River because much of the opposition was on this issue," Brown told host Matt Galloway on Tuesday.

"But I don't want to win a byelection on false pretenses. If I am premier, I am not going to be scrapping sex education."

Brown declined to say whether or not he actually wrote the letter that was sent out to constituents in the east Toronto riding.

"Ultimately on this issue, I wasn't hands-on enough," he said. "I'll take full responsibility for what my team put out there in Scarborough to some homes, but ultimately, it did not reflect what I would do if I was premier.

"I'll be honest," said Brown, "people told me, you know, you should wait to correct the record until Friday. I said no. I don't want anyone going to the polls on misinformation."

The candidates in the byelection include: Raymond Cho for the Progressive Conservatives; Piragal Thiru for the Liberal Party; Neethan Shan for the NDP; and Queenie Yu as an independent. This is a full list of candidates in the byelection.

The co-chair of Cho's campaign is Doug Ford, the former Toronto mayoral candidate and onetime councillor for Ward 2.

The curriculum was updated last year, for the first time since 1998, but some parents complained that the government didn't consult them enough and were angered by mentions of same-sex relationships, gender identity and masturbation.

Brown said he took to Twitter "as soon as possible" to correct the letter because he didn't want to be seen as trying to "curry votes." Brown said the updated curriculum is a "hot issue" in the riding.

"I realize some of my supporters in Scarborough are passionate about this issue," he said. "Ultimately, they went further than what I was comfortable with."
'Lack of communication'

Brown said he had a "heart to heart" with his caucus at a Kenora, Ont., retreat on the weekend about the letter that was sent out.

"There was a lack of communication," he said.

He said the Liberal government could have done a better job on consulting the public, experts and educators before updating its sex-ed curriculum. But he said he believes an updated curriculum is important.

Schools should be raising LGBT issues, educating students about combating homophobia, and talking about such issues as consent and mental health, he said.

"Those are all important things that need to be brought up in the school system today. The curriculum does need to be updated on a regular basis."

Brown said he was the first MP in Barrie, Ont.'s history to attend a Pride flag-raising and the first PC leader to march in Toronto's Pride parade.

At least it wasn't during actual election time, like it was when Hudak did it the first time he lost.

The only thing Ontario conservatives hate more than the Liberals is politicians who don't hate the Liberals as visibly and vocally as they do.

HackensackBackpack fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Aug 30, 2016

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MatchaZed: Feb 14, 2010; We Can Do It!

eXXon posted:

Don't miss future prime minister Kevin O'Leary laying down truth bombs about Ontario Liberal corruption:

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/08/28/open-letter-to-ontario-premier-kathleen-wynne-part-2

I like that he doesn't mention the sell off of Ontario Hydro at all. Probably wishes he could get in on the sale.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 17:56

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Leofish posted:

Also in Ontario Politics, Patrick Brown has decided he doesn't want to be Premier after all, because after alienating soft-right and centrist voters by saying he'd scrap sex-ed ahead of a key by-election, he turned around and apologized for saying that, thus alienating hard-right voters.

At least it wasn't during actual election time, like it was when Hudak did it the first time he lost.

The only thing Ontario conservatives hate more than the Liberals is politicians who don't hate the Liberals as visibly and vocally as they do.

The PC's performance is probably going to depend more on Horwath than Brown. Just by virtue of having the Conservative logo and a pulse I would expect Brown to regain some of the seats Hudak lost. Whether he wins or not probably comes down to how the Liberals and NDP carve up the anything-but-conservative vote.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 18:03

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Guy DeBorgore posted:

By 2025 it's gonna be considered gravely offensive to reference Indigenous people in any way shape or form and it will also be offensive not to talk about them. The few Canadians who haven't fled to Cascadia will have duct-taped their mouths shut or else be called racist on the CBC's front page.

So-called "cascadia" is the traditional territory of the Coast Salish peoples :colbert:

# ? Aug 30, 2016 18:37

tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR

Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

WilliamAnderson posted:

I like that he doesn't mention the sell off of Ontario Hydro at all. Probably wishes he could get in on the sale.

At least when the NDP criticizes the sale of Hydro One and the cancellation of the Mississauga gas plant, there's a chance they wouldn't have done exactly the same thing they're criticizing the Liberals for. The PCs would have done the same things they're crying foul over, but without using them to pay for anything worthwhile.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 18:39

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

The Liberals didn't privatize Hydro One so that they could pay for infrastructure, they appear to have done it so that their friends on Bay Street would benefit. A significant part of neoliberal governance is carving up and handing out profitable chunks of the public sector to private interests.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 18:45

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

And artificially lower the deficit

# ? Aug 30, 2016 18:51

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Ikantski posted:

And artificially lower the deficit for a single fiscal year

You forgot the part about

# ? Aug 30, 2016 18:54

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

jm20 posted:

You forgot the part about

4 fiscal years in 15% chunks right?

# ? Aug 30, 2016 18:57

Tan Dumplord: Mar 9, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

quote:

Ontario guaranteed-income pilot moves ahead with new report

The long-debated idea of a guaranteed minimum annual income for Canadians moves a small step closer to reality this week.

Former Conservative senator Hugh Segal delivers a report this week on how the "basic income pilot" announced in Ontario's February budget might work.

The Ontario government earmarked $25 million this fiscal year to establish a pilot project in the province sometime before April 2017, and appointed Segal in late June as an unpaid special adviser.

In an interview with CBC News, Segal gave some hints about his report, which is expected to be made public in mid-September for three months of public consultations.

He's quick to dismiss suggestions that guaranteed incomes foster laziness.

"For all those good folks on the right � who say that if you pay people to do nothing, they will do nothing, I remind them that 70 per cent of the people who live beneath the poverty line in Ontario � have jobs.

"They just don't earn enough through minimum wage to be above the poverty line," he said.

"So the notion that this is about chocolate, and couches, and popcorn, and watching TV is actually without any substantial basis in fact."

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:01

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Ikantski posted:

4 fiscal years in 15% chunks right?

Or how about calling it a one time windfall that has no meaningful impact on the finances of the government

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:15

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

I have trouble believing that concerns about the deficit had anything to do with the Liberals selling off an asset that generates hundreds of millions in revenue every year. It's not like voters have a firm enough sense of the deficit to really notice an extra quarter or half of a billion in savings, and even if they did the negative press from selling off public infrastructure probably wasn't worth it. Nah, I'm pretty sure the only sensible reason to privatize Hydro One begins and ends with one of those pay-for-play fundraising events that the Liberals are apparently now going to outlaw.

The deal the Liberals cut with public sector unions is pretty visible for everyone to see whenever an election rolls around and the Working Families Coalition starts barraging the air waves with anti Conservative advertising. And people often ask why the unions are supporting a government that they often end up in contentious contract negotiations with. But the less asked and more important question might be why labour is the only major third party interest group dumping money into Ontario elections when private sector businesses could easily be setting up their own third party advertising groups to help the Conservatives. And I suspect the answer is some mixture of 1) businesses fearing reprisals (if you take a shot at the king you best not miss) and 2) the Liberals spreading the love behind closed doors and awarding generous contracts or subsidies to a large enough part of the Ontario business establishment to prevent a surge of business money from flooding into the next election and defeating the government.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:23

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Everybody talks about the $300b Ontario debt but nobody talks about the $747b annual GDP. Any conversation about one must include the other full stop.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:26

a primate: Jun 2, 2010

a fleshy snood posted:

I know a guy, let me ask him and project his opinion onto all native people and get back to you

I'm just sayin, a whole lot of white people are saying a lot of words here and no one seems interested in consulting with the culture bearers

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:34

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Helsing posted:

I have trouble believing that concerns about the deficit had anything to do with the Liberals selling off an asset that generates hundreds of millions in revenue every year.

That's why the money ended up in general revenue before trillium fund. It's certainly a nice bonus for them to be able to lower the deficit by 10 to 25% for each of the 4 years they're in power.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:39

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Everybody talks about the $300b Ontario debt but nobody talks about the $747b annual GDP. Any conversation about one must include the other full stop.

Yeah, I've wondered about this. Is this a really problematic ratio, or is this debt load not quite at that stage yet? We hear talking points like "Ontario is most indebted sub-sovereign borrower in the world", but I get the vibe that a lot of the conversation around this is Fraser Institute fueled political bullshit.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:56

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

tagesschau posted:

At least when the NDP criticizes the sale of Hydro One and the cancellation of the Mississauga gas plant, there's a chance they wouldn't have done exactly the same thing they're criticizing the Liberals for. The PCs would have done the same things they're crying foul over, but without using them to pay for anything worthwhile.

Assumes that the OLP are spending responsibly when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. In terms of what the NDP or PCs would do, lets get them in power and see, I think we've had enough mismanagement and corruption from the OLP for awhile.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 19:57

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

I despise the OLP but mismanagement and corruption are still preferable to another Mike Harris style conservative. Speaking as a Torontonian, the transit plan Hudak rolled out for the last provincial election was genuinely frightening. The PCs were proposing merging the TTC with GO service and other regional transportation agencies into one extremely unaccountable mega-agency. It would take control of transit and accountability for the results completely out of the hands of city council and even worse it would have reproduced the political incoherence of the downtown core vs. suburbs on an even larger regional scale. And this is coming from the government that, during its last tenure in office, forced us into a totally unwanted MegaCity municipal merge and cancelled the Eglinton subway.

I won't bring up their other lovely policies because honestly it's not as like any of the parties is much better when it comes to stuff I'd like to see action on like poverty, education, wages, precarious work, etc. But when it comes to transit, the worst kind of incompetence is preferable to a plan which would essentially destroy the TTC and submerge it within some kind of awful regional transit authority.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 20:10

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

I'd vote OLP over OPC any day of the week

# ? Aug 30, 2016 20:22

patonthebach: Aug 22, 2016; by R. Guyovich

The Gunslinger posted:

How nice of the OLP to finally start taking fundraising reform seriously and to stop raising the license plate renewal fees. I'm sure it has nothing to do with their horrible approvals and the election coming in 2 years.

Since the Ontario PCs have proven themselves incapable of finding an electable leader I guess I will have to vote for the NDP or perhaps a loving party of moose from Atikokan.

Its a real devils gambit because a vote for the ONDP depending on the polling might as well be a vote for OLP and a repeat of Wynne would be brutal. Might have to bite my tongue and vote OPC even though its not in my best interests.

Helsing posted:

I despise the OLP but mismanagement and corruption are still preferable to another Mike Harris style conservative. Speaking as a Torontonian, the transit plan Hudak rolled out for the last provincial election was genuinely frightening. The PCs were proposing merging the TTC with GO service and other regional transportation agencies into one extremely unaccountable mega-agency. It would take control of transit and accountability for the results completely out of the hands of city council and even worse it would have reproduced the political incoherence of the downtown core vs. suburbs on an even larger regional scale. And this is coming from the government that, during its last tenure in office, forced us into a totally unwanted MegaCity municipal merge and cancelled the Eglinton subway.

I won't bring up their other lovely policies because honestly it's not as like any of the parties is much better when it comes to stuff I'd like to see action on like poverty, education, wages, precarious work, etc. But when it comes to transit, the worst kind of incompetence is preferable to a plan which would essentially destroy the TTC and submerge it within some kind of awful regional transit authority.

Did Mike Harris do anything as destructive and stupid as selling off Hydro?

patonthebach fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Aug 30, 2016

# ? Aug 30, 2016 20:24

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

Helsing posted:

I despise the OLP but mismanagement and corruption are still preferable to another Mike Harris style conservative.

Tim Hudak is a moron but the Mike Harris bogeyman? Come on. We've got our own in office right now and they've been doing worse for awhile.

I don't live in Toronto anymore but unless its changed a lot in the past 5 years I can't really see how anyone can do worse by transit there.

The Gunslinger fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 30, 2016

# ? Aug 30, 2016 20:42

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

quote:

Did Mike Harris do anything as destructive and stupid as selling off Hydro?

He tried to take on all of the public sector unions. And doctors. At the same time. You can probably imagine just how well that went, the volume of attack ads from back then is hilarious. Some of his program cuts were really controversial but effective, others were downright absurd and poorly researched. He is an easy button to push people towards more liberal voting platforms it seems though, even all these years later. I don't really see any evidence Patrick Brown is going to be at all similar, if anything Brown seems like a typical politician who dances to whatever tune keeps his approvals high.

# ? Aug 30, 2016 20:51

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

The Gunslinger posted:

I don't live in Toronto anymore but unless its changed a lot in the past 5 years I can't really see how anyone can do worse by transit there.

Give the people in Brantford a say in whether Toronto gets to improve service frequency, add routes, or spend money to maintain equipment and you'll see how much worse you can do.

patonthebach posted:

Did Mike Harris do anything as destructive and stupid as selling off Hydro?

Privatize water quality inspections?

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Aug 30, 2016

# ? Aug 30, 2016 20:52

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Heavy neutrino: Sep 16, 2007; You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

Oh great the CAQ recently decided to import France's racial tensions and America's xenophobia into Quebec politics.

"Montreal Gazette posted:

ST-J�R�ME � Coalition Avenir Qu�bec leader Fran�ois Legault fired back at Premier Philippe Couillard Tuesday, saying he will not allow himself to be insulted.

One day after Couillard launched a blistering attack against Legault, comparing him with American presidential candidate Donald Trump because of the CAQ�s views on immigration, Legault had choice words.

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On Monday, Legault found himself in hot water � on several fronts � for saying the CAQ�s proposed values test for new immigrants would cover clothing such as the burkini because the questions will deal with the equality of men and women.

Off in Boston on a trade mission, Couillard launched a missile.

�There are not many politicians in North America talking about expelling people,� Couillard told the Journal de Montr�al. �There are two.

�I see similarities in the process, similarities in the means (of Trump). They are not similar persons but there is certainly a tendency, which we have seen before.

�We don�t need a Donald Trump in Quebec politics.�

Qu�bec solidaire leader Fran�oise David had a similar line to which Legault responded: �I don�t care.�

But Legault�s line � designed to curry favour with voters in the regions who see big city immigration as threat � is well planned out. He is hoping for a bounce in the polls, particularly in the riding of Saint-J�r�me, which became vacant with the resignation of MNA and Parti Qu�b�cois leader Pierre Karl P�ladeau.

The riding was once held by the CAQ and the party wants it back.

Legault shows no signs of backing down, either. As part of his new nationalist political policy, he will announce Tuesday he favours a reduction in the number of immigrants Quebec welcomes a year.

Sources Tuesday confirmed that Legault is to propose a 20-per-cent cut in immigration. Quebec�s total level of immigration would drop from 50,000 a year to 40,000.

I can't wait for election 2018 to be about absolutely gently caress-all else than immigration and islamophobia. I bet it's going to work out well enough for them, too -- I can't understate the level of support there is over here for the immigration culture wars -- but they'll be directly competing with the PQ for the xenophobic vote, so it's a toss-up.

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