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Coogs need to crush OU this weekend so it'll look like the Big 12 is just shook
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Aug 30, 2016 21:47
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Intruder posted:If that's real I hope the Big 12 dies If UT and OU aren't going to extend the GoR it's just a matter of time before it happens.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:47
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General Dog posted:Among other things, why would Tech be so gung-ho about inviting Houston? Tech is using the fact that there's almost 0 chance that Houston gets the support they need from the rest of the Big XII to turn it into a political advantage for next legislative session's vet school fight. "Hey, we tried to get you into the Big XII, you need to support Tech's vet school"
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Aug 30, 2016 21:51
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kayakyakr posted:Tech is using the fact that there's almost 0 chance that Houston gets the support they need from the rest of the Big XII to turn it into a political advantage for next legislative session's vet school fight. I'm assuming the vote isn't supposed to be public though
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Aug 30, 2016 22:04
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Intruder posted:If that's real I hope the Big 12 dies I have good news
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Aug 30, 2016 22:32
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General Dog posted:I'm assuming the vote isn't supposed to be public though I think Tech's going at it in sincerity, and will probably both publicly and privately support UH. UT also wants something from UH, but I do not expect them to be sincere in their support.
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Aug 31, 2016 00:01
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Breaking down that voting because what the hell we still have two days until games are here to be watched: -Dead in the water are Air Force/Rice (0 votes), UNLV/San Diego State (1 vote), and Arkansas State (4 votes). Interestingly, New Mexico received 7 votes but two vetoes, from the Kansas schools. I'm curious as to how that divide occurred. -I'm not sure how the vetoes were setup; my gut instinct is that everyone got two vetoes to use as they saw fit, but were under no obligation to use them. It's not a matter of Texas/Oklahoma get two and everyone else got one/none since West Virginia used two, but I doubt we'll find out. -If the Big 12 does expand, Cincinnati's all but in. Five schools (Kansas/K-St/Oklahoma/Texas/West Virginia) gave their highest votes, and with the two kingmakers voting in approval it's all but clinched. Texas Tech was the only one really not on board but they won't be able to kill the deal if it occurs. -Houston getting four vetoes (Oklahomas/TCU/Texas) means their hopes are dashed. Yes, Texas supporting Houston in public then stabbing them in the back privately are hilarious but that's texanpolitics.txt for you. -The next highest vote-getters would be teams moving up. Colorado State (63 votes, including 10s from Iowa State/Oklahoma State) and Northern Illinois (57 votes) don't have universal support, but they don't have any real detractors. CSU's has Kansas/West Virginia not really on board and NIU's support comes from a vast supply of middle votes, and whether that support would continue as voting progressed is key. NIU would be the ultimate "we have to expand just pick anyone we can agree on" compromise, as it's hard to see their selection really expanding the Big 12's influence. -The schools who want BYU really want them, with 9s and 8s being given. But the four who don't want BYU really don't want them, with Oklahoma State/West Virginia vetoing and Baylor/TCU not voting for them. I think they're done for as well. -UConn is all over the board, with strong support from Baylor/Kansas but a veto from Texas Tech and a no-vote from Iowa State. Memphis is in the same situation, getting maxed from Tech and no-voted by West Virginia, but no one vetoed them. -No one else got enough votes to be a factor. It looks like going to 14 is out, and it'd be a struggle to decide who to admit along with Cincinnati to get to 12. -First place votes: Cincinnati 5(Kansas/Kansas State/Oklahoma/Texas/West Virginia), Colorado State 2(Iowa State/Oklahoma State), UConn (Baylor), Boise State (TCU), Memphis (Texas Tech) -Vetoes: Houston 4(Oklahoma/Oklahoma State/TCU/Texas), BYU 2(Oklahoma State/West Virginia), East Carolina 2(Kansas/Kansas State), New Mexico 2(Kansas/Kansas State), SMU 2(Oklahoma/Texas), UConn (Texas Tech), Boise State (West Virginia)
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Aug 31, 2016 05:00
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Intruder posted:Coogs need to crush OU this weekend so it'll look like the Big 12 is just shook disagree
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Aug 31, 2016 05:03
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Rumor has it Bob Bowlsby has trimmed the candidate schools to 8 at most, and it's pretty obvious who on the list of 20 aren't on there.
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Aug 31, 2016 06:26
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https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/770972655461797888 Looks like we have started the rose ceremony portion of this thing
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Aug 31, 2016 14:14
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How long have you had that picture queued up and ready to go?
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Aug 31, 2016 14:27
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This also came out late yesterday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/spo...-391823321.html Basically claims that BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, UConn, South Florida and Central Florida, plus one or two other unnamed schools have been listed as finalists and asked to make a presentation at the October meetings. Also, if we renamed NIU to Chicago Tech or something that played up their proximity to Chicago, then I might consider being OK with their candidacy.
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Aug 31, 2016 14:53
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kayakyakr posted:This also came out late yesterday: Aw, Tulane didn't make the cut. I guess I'm still on the Cinci and Memphis train if we have to do this and that's the list of possibilities. But I still want to stay at ten.
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Aug 31, 2016 14:58
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Thoguh posted:Aw, Tulane didn't make the cut. Tulane might be one of the two unnamed schools.
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Aug 31, 2016 15:38
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CaptainYesterday posted:Tulane might be one of the two unnamed schools. If they're too fringe to be named specifically in a list of eight finalists competing for two spots, they're not getting in.
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Aug 31, 2016 16:35
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Oof, Boise State with more support than Tulane. The dream is dead.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:03
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Aug 31, 2016 17:14
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kayakyakr posted:This also came out late yesterday: Rumors have last two as SMU and Tulane.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:16
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I generally support Memphis since I went to grad school there, but I'll have to decide if that remains true with them in a bigger conference. I should be excited for the opportunity but I'm more concerned that it will negatively affect Tennessee recruiting.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:17
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I kind of doubt it will affect Tennessee all that much considering they're on opposite sides of the state, and I'm sure most Tennesseans are more SEC fans than Big 12 fans. Does UT get that many kids from Memphis?
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Aug 31, 2016 17:29
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I guess Cincy and UCF would be my picks. BYU makes sense in a lot of ways but I don't feel that great about promoting the brand of another another weirdo private religious school known for silencing rape victims by threatening to discipline/publicly shame them for drinking or being unchaste. So, now that I've typed that out and actually thought it through, gently caress BYU forever. And Baylor. If we could trade Baylor for Houston and then add Cincy and UCF I'd be pleased as punch. Add Tulane and Memphis if we want to do 14.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:20
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Thermos H Christ posted:I guess Cincy and UCF would be my picks. BYU makes sense in a lot of ways but I don't feel that great about promoting the brand of another another weirdo private religious school known for silencing rape victims by threatening to discipline/publicly shame them for drinking or being unchaste. So, now that I've typed that out and actually thought it through, gently caress BYU forever. And Baylor. If we could trade Baylor for Houston and then add Cincy and UCF I'd be pleased as punch. Add Tulane and Memphis if we want to do 14. Whatever it takes to get Texas to 8 wins.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:22
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Cincinnati and Memphis are highest on my preferred list. Ideally the geography of the conference could stand to be unfucked, and while Cincinnati and Memphis are are still within the general footprint (barely, in Memphis's case), UCF is literally the exact opposite.
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Aug 31, 2016 19:00
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Strobe posted:Cincinnati and Memphis are highest on my preferred list. Ideally the geography of the conference could stand to be unfucked, and while Cincinnati and Memphis are are still within the general footprint (barely, in Memphis's case), UCF is literally the exact opposite. That's basically my thoughts on it. Geographically they help fill in the gap between the Mississippi and West Virginia, they give the Big XII recruiting footholds in places that currently belong to the Big Ten and SEC, and they would also be competitive in basketball. I'd rather add some big land grant schools to make up for the ones we've lost. But at least they are public state universities and out of of the list of realistic candidates they're the least unacceptable.
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Aug 31, 2016 19:12
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Aug 31, 2016 19:13
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Thoguh posted:That's basically my thoughts on it. Geographically they help fill in the gap between the Mississippi and West Virginia, they give the Big XII recruiting footholds in places that currently belong to the Big Ten and SEC, and they would also be competitive in basketball. I'd rather add some big land grant schools to make up for the ones we've lost. But at least they are public state universities and out of of the list of realistic candidates they're the least unacceptable. I like Cincy and Memphis too for pretty much the same reasons. Ohio doesn't really care about Cincinnati, but anything helps, and I'd rather the conference look east with those teams, than west with BYU. I really don't want UCF because then we have yet another school all out by itself, no matter how much getting to play in Florida would help recruiting.
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Thoguh posted:That's basically my thoughts on it. Geographically they help fill in the gap between the Mississippi and West Virginia, they give the Big XII recruiting footholds in places that currently belong to the Big Ten and SEC, and they would also be competitive in basketball. I'd rather add some big land grant schools to make up for the ones we've lost. But at least they are public state universities and out of of the list of realistic candidates they're the least unacceptable. Cincinnati, Memphis, +UCF, Tulane, BYU, UConn #letsgetweird Pimp Cauldron posted:Houston + SMU, rename the state of Texas to Big Twelve Then the University of Texas would be the University of Big Twelve?
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Aug 31, 2016 19:23
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Cincinnati and Houston, please. Cincinnati's pros don't even need to be stated at this point; if the Big 12 expands they're pretty much a lock. I know all the handwringing about Houston regarding recruiting in the Big 12 and MORE TEXAS, but they make sense geographically and are located in a large metro, which makes access/transportation easy if nothing else. If not Houston, then Tulane. Good academic school, and away games in Nawlins would be so awesome.Thermos H Christ posted:gently caress BYU forever  Thermos H Christ posted:And Baylor
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Aug 31, 2016 19:42
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Bird in a Blender posted:I like Cincy and Memphis too for pretty much the same reasons. Ohio doesn't really care about Cincinnati, but anything helps, and I'd rather the conference look east with those teams, than west with BYU. I really don't want UCF because then we have yet another school all out by itself, no matter how much getting to play in Florida would help recruiting. But would it really help recruiting all that much? "Come to the Big XII and get to play in your home state twice in your four years here I think Cincinnati and Houston make the most sense, but Houston probably isn't happening so Memphis would be my next choice. Filling in geographically between Texas and West Virginia just makes sense, which probably means they won't do it. I still think they made a mistake not taking Louisville when they had the chance, which would have made Cincinnati even more of a no-brainer.
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Aug 31, 2016 21:02
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kayakyakr posted:Then the University of Texas would be the University of Big Twelve? i mean, sounds about right doesn't it? Big Twelve Christian Unit Big Twelve Tech Big Twelve A&M...gently caress
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Aug 31, 2016 21:50
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TheAlmightyFrog posted:But would it really help recruiting all that much? "Come to the Big XII and get to play in your home state twice in your four years here Well playing once or twice in four years is better than none. Also, if a kid just goes to a Cincy game because it's close to home, at least you're getting some exposure. I'm not saying the Big 12 is all of a sudden going to dominate Ohio recruiting, but it's a start, and the Big 10 teams would essentially play just as many games in Ohio as the Big 12 teams would.
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Aug 31, 2016 22:09
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Pimp Cauldron posted:i mean, sounds about right doesn't it? University of Big Twelve El Paso University of Big Twelve San Antonio University of Big Twelve Arlington University of Big Twelve Rio Grande Valley . . .
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Aug 31, 2016 22:10
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Tulane likely out. https://twitter.com/jimbcbs4/status/771088763938344960 Looks like it's back to not liking the Big 12 until the next round of conference expansion for me. I thought this story meant they were probably in the 8. (so they could pretend to care about academics a little longer.) http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/2016/08/tulane_big_12_troy_dannen.html
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Just came to post that. I mean, about CSU being still alive. I love conference realignment season.
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TipTow posted:Cincinnati and Houston, please. Cincinnati's pros don't even need to be stated at this point; if the Big 12 expands they're pretty much a lock. I know all the handwringing about Houston regarding recruiting in the Big 12 and MORE TEXAS, but they make sense geographically and are located in a large metro, which makes access/transportation easy if nothing else. If not Houston, then Tulane. Good academic school, and away games in Nawlins would be so awesome. I don't think access is a big deal for Houston compared to Memphis. MEM isn't a hub for anybody other than FedEx but it is still a pretty big airport that isn't any tougher to get to via commercial than any other town in the conference save Dallas.
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Aug 31, 2016 22:39
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Bird in a Blender posted:Well playing once or twice in four years is better than none. Also, if a kid just goes to a Cincy game because it's close to home, at least you're getting some exposure. I'm not saying the Big 12 is all of a sudden going to dominate Ohio recruiting, but it's a start, and the Big 10 teams would essentially play just as many games in Ohio as the Big 12 teams would. I was thinking more Florida than Ohio. At least West Virginia is also close in that case. There'd be nothing else close to Orlando. I don't follow recruiting much, but how many more kids from Florida or Georgia is Missouri getting since joining the SEC, or do they still pull more from the Midwest/Texas? I guess that would be a comparable situation to know if UCF would make a difference for the Big XII or not. I think I just need to resign myself to the fact that geographically logical conference footprints are a thing of the past.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:27
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For what it is worth a local reporter confirmed that Cincy had been told that they made the cut as well.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:35
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Thoguh posted:I don't think access is a big deal for Houston compared to Memphis. MEM isn't a hub for anybody other than FedEx but it is still a pretty big airport that isn't any tougher to get to via commercial than any other town in the conference save Dallas. Fair point regarding travel, but of course UH brings a lot more to the table program-wise than Memphis. I keep hearing that Memphis is getting/will get some FedEx money, but billionaire benefactors don't necessarily buy you high-level, sustained success. Just ask Oklahoma State fans.
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Ross Angeles posted:disagree I'm with you: as long as Houston crushes OU I don't really care about the Big 12 implications.
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