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the rude part was that his aegislash was male. give me a female dream ball honedge to distribute to the people
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Aug 30, 2016 21:07
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nobody plays ubers (the best format) on cartridge anyway so it's no big deal
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Aug 30, 2016 21:07
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All serious pokemon events should mandate a pedigree for the Pocket Monsters in question, just like Kennel Club 
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Aug 30, 2016 21:08
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Oh poo poo Pokemon pedigree should be a thing
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Aug 30, 2016 21:09
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conversely they should generate dogs
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Aug 30, 2016 21:10
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Eh, it doesn't affect me either way, especially since I don't play competitive in any sense. It's just sort of interesting to see the song-and-dance that goes around it. The impression I get is that everyone takes shortcuts (at least when the season demands the use of Legendaries), but enough people (including show-runners? unclear) regard it as cheating that no one talks about it.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:11
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Also you should nickname your monsters in the fashion of race horses. Game Freak should add characters to accommodate this. Kalos Krome, Unova Pharaoh, Sinnohtariat Rygar201 fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Aug 30, 2016 21:16
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My Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia all have Arceus as a single parent.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:19
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Generating pokemans still doesn't seem like cheating to me because you gain no real advantage over your opponent except time spent. It's literally like using a megamule in Dark Souls. The people who do it are skipping ahead to the pvp portion of the game and bypassing hours of grinding and progression. Everyone will be using optimal builds with Titanite Slab weapons anyway, no reason to spend 20+ hours getting there when you've done it before. Maybe if you generate an OU team and take it to your little brother's school and beat up kids with it it can be called cheating.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:21
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Rygar201 posted:Also you should nickname your monsters in the fashion of race horses. Game Freak should add characters to accommodate this gonna start naming my showdown pokemon off of whatever comes up when i hit 'random article' on wikipedia Orange (2010 film) the scrafty, Henry Cornewall the nidoking and so on
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Aug 30, 2016 21:21
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HoneyBoy posted:Generating pokemans still doesn't seem like cheating to me because you gain no real advantage over your opponent except time spent. I have way more fun routing dark souls characters for whichever endgame goal and then pvping with whatever I end up getting than pvping with fully optimized builds but v  v.I mean, I just don't think dark souls is a great example because the journey is actually fun with regards to dark souls. Getting a dex faith build through the parts of the game where the build is relatively weak up until sunlight blade and wotg are available is a pretty fun challenge for that future payoff. Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Aug 30, 2016 21:25
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HoneyBoy posted:Generating pokemans still doesn't seem like cheating to me because you gain no real advantage over your opponent except time spent. I don't have any horse in this race, but honestly considering how often teams end up being tweaked during the seasons; the ability to quickly generate a new team and continue the iteration process does seem that it would give some sort of advantage. I mean I would imagine teams are pretty much locked in a few days before an event, but any sudden last minute changes to the meta would apply more pressure to a legit breeder than a hacker. Ehh.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:I don't have any horse in this race, but honestly considering how often teams end up being tweaked during the seasons; the ability to quickly generate a new team and continue the iteration process does seem that it would give some sort of advantage. I mean I would imagine teams are pretty much locked in a few days before an event, but any sudden last minute changes to the meta would apply more pressure to a legit breeder than a hacker. That's more to do with VGC being loving retarded though, but I see your point. Zoness posted:I have way more fun routing dark souls characters for whichever endgame goal and then pvping with whatever I end up getting than pvping with fully optimized builds but v This is more fun for me if I end up doing forest hunting or invading/gank spanking, but if you're into fight clubs at all you wanna min/max imo.
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HoneyBoy posted:That's more to do with VGC being loving retarded though, but I see your point. uhh how's that?
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Aug 30, 2016 21:34
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I thought the bell tower in ds2 was the best pvp I've had in a souls game honestly, because it made the pvp experience overall less homogeneous. Plus it could give you titanite slabs. So what I'm saying is, make random mons / rental mons an official vgc (or at least battle spot) format 
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Aug 30, 2016 21:35
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Brother Entropy posted:uhh how's that? It's brought up often enough, those team comps that are almost always Groudon/Xerneas/etc. Who has competition viable cover legendaries usually? People who generate them, I mean yeah you get 3 max IVs normally but if it's a tweak like mentioned before idk if people are gonne be SRing every time they need to change something. Basically box legendaries are trash and only children use them.
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Zoness posted:I thought the bell tower in ds2 was the best pvp I've had in a souls game honestly, because it made the pvp experience overall less homogeneous. Rentals are good and fun, same reason why randoms on Showdown are good and why Challenge Cup on PO was good.
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Zoness posted:So what I'm saying is, make random mons / rental mons an official vgc (or at least battle spot) format
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HoneyBoy posted:It's brought up often enough, those team comps that are almost always Groudon/Xerneas/etc. oh okay if you specifically meant vgc '16 then yeah that poo poo is dumb
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Aug 30, 2016 21:49
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Maybe they should redesign the game \ VGC rules so that players don't feel like they need to gen or otherwise modify Pokemon with an external device to be competitive. Serious question: how does the existence of IVs make the games better \ more fun? Maybe it makes them more "realistic" in that different Pokemon have different "genetics" and thus they are more unique? Oh yeah, and those stats are hidden, too. That sort of game design is only appealing if you're as autistic as the guy who invented Pokemon.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:49
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I made a haxorus as cool as he can possibly be and now he just oozes coolness all over contests he's just so cool.
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GlitchThief posted:Eh, it doesn't affect me either way, especially since I don't play competitive in any sense. It's just sort of interesting to see the song-and-dance that goes around it. The impression I get is that everyone takes shortcuts (at least when the season demands the use of Legendaries), but enough people (including show-runners? unclear) regard it as cheating that no one talks about it. There's the actual hack check to ensure that impossible movesets and abilities don't get admitted, but as for IVs and stuff like that, they don't seem to care unless it explicitly gets pointed out. Gammatron 64 posted:Maybe they should redesign the game \ VGC rules so that players don't feel like they need to gen or otherwise modify Pokemon with an external device to be competitive. Yeah, that was pretty much it. They were designed as a way to make each individual Pokemon unqiue. Evidentally, they must've realized how dumb that was given that they're introducing Hyper Training.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:03
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IVs definitely would get checked since they influence a pokemon's stats.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Maybe they should redesign the game \ VGC rules so that players don't feel like they need to gen or otherwise modify Pokemon with an external device to be competitive. It's almost like the game was designed for children and not super serious adults trying to play for money.
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Dr. Fetus posted:There's the actual hack check to ensure that impossible movesets and abilities don't get admitted, but as for IVs and stuff like that, they don't seem to care unless it explicitly gets pointed out. Honestly, they should just remove the whole IV system. There is already more than enough variety with over 700 species of Pokemon and a bunch of different moves and natures they can have. If they got rid of IVs or made it so all Pokemon's IVs are automatically 31, cheating would practically vanish overnight. It's kinda like prohibition. People are going to drink alcohol whether it's legal or not. If you can't beat em, join em. That said, Nintendo is a Japanese company and they are always super stubborn. IVs made sense when the Internet wasn't a very big thing and nobody expected actual Pokemon competition. They will clutch onto that 20-year old game design for dear life. Rygar201 posted:It's almost like the game was designed for children and not super serious adults trying to play for money. I know, right? Nintendo is really, really bad at making actual competitive games. There's another Nintendo game series out there that people like to pretend is a serious competitive game, but I dare not mention its name because it's huge a can of worms. You all know what I am referring to, though.
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Zoness posted:IVs definitely would get checked since they influence a pokemon's stats. IVs and EVs, yeah. Though apparently someone got away with having a total of 512 EVs in VGC once? People made a big deal out of it despite it passing through the hack checker. There's also a bunch of junk bytes in a Pokemon's data that serve no purpose other than to tick off the hack checker if the Pokemon was hacked. But people have already figured out how to deal with those to fool them. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Aug 30, 2016 22:11
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what would determine my hidden powers though? I like hidden power  , specifically hidden power ice
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Gammatron 64 posted:I know, right? Nintendo is really, really bad at making actual competitive games. There's another Nintendo game series out there that people like to pretend is a serious competitive game, but I dare not mention its name because it's huge a can of worms. You all know what I am referring to, though. i tried competitive mario party, it was a nightmare
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Aug 30, 2016 22:17
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expecting people to go through a tedious hours-long grind process to be competitive is dumb, and the thing that makes MMOs completely unappealing to people who aren't failed human beings. the only thing worse is pay-to-win schemes they really should stop being cagey about stats and just give you the numbers and let you allocate them however you want like the pokemon sims do. maybe as a reward for beating the game. that would make things a lot more kid-friendly and maybe break the tournament scene open so it's not overrun totally by grown-rear end spergatron goonlords
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Gammatron 64 posted:Honestly, they should just remove the whole IV system. There is already more than enough variety with over 700 species of Pokemon and a bunch of different moves and natures they can have. Yeah gently caress F-Zero.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:26
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Feranon posted:expecting people to go through a tedious hours-long grind process to be competitive is dumb, and the thing that makes MMOs completely unappealing to people who aren't failed human beings. the only thing worse is pay-to-win schemes the only big tournament in pokemon has brackets divided by age groups
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Aug 30, 2016 22:27
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also nobody in that tournament actually breeds pokemon because why would you
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cheaters should be publicly executed
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Aug 30, 2016 22:41
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I feel like IVs should be removed and also competitive play should be removed.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:49
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Zore posted:I feel like IVs should be removed and also competitive play should be removed. Only if the main game difficulty is either upped or they add a harder difficulty.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:54
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Also add back in all the cool old features they took out; running into sleeping pokemon at night, headbutt trees, seasons, following pokemon etc. in exchange remove all the boring features carried over generation to generation; hold items, running shoes, infinite use TMs, double battles For real though, I want double battles to be a bigger thing or to be removed. Make them a main mode of battle in the games if they're going to base all official competitive play around them at the very least, like 4/8 gym leaders do doubles and at least one of the Elite 4.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:57
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all of those are good features
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Aug 30, 2016 22:59
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This conversation has taken a turn, hah.
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I like that it takes a bit of time to add a pokemon to a competitive team because it makes you more attached to them. The time time investment it currently takes is way too much though
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