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I get why Archer's trying to save the guy's life but Travis has a point. I don't think they have jurisdiction over the freighter people. What bugs me is that the scene's kind of treated like Picard giving an uplifting pep-talk to Wesley and the audience is supposed to be awed by Picard, but in this case Picard was only half paying attention to what Wesley was saying and kind of missed the point. With Bakula's charm and good looks though it comes off as him trying to get Travis out of his cabin so he can go back to whatever it was he was doing. Like he was charismatic but in a way that was condescending when you stop and think about it. HeartPlug fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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The morality play on ENT was the most horrendous of the series. Climaxed in the genocide episode with Phlox telling Archer to let a whole race of people die because "evolution says so!" Archer was always right, even when he was wrong, ESPECIALLY when he was wrong! It was kind a like Janeway (the only WAY!) but even Chakoti/Seven would occasionally call her out. The worst part is it is always dressed up like the end of a 90's TGIF sitcom. Little Danny Archer kneels down and reminds everyone that the Burning_Monk fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Aug 31, 2016 00:21
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Sunswipe posted:Enterprise was awful. Why does that keep coming as a surprise to people? Enterprise was g- Enterprise was g-g-oo-g-oo- Enterprise had it's moments.
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Aug 31, 2016 00:21
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Enterprise's redemption lies in the decontamination room.
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Aug 31, 2016 00:23
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Burning_Monk posted:The morality play on ENT was the most horrendous of the series. Climaxed in the genocide episode with Phlox telling Archer to let a whole race of people die because "evolution says so!" Archer was always right, even when he was wrong, ESPECIALLY when he was wrong! It was kind a like Janeway (the only WAY!) but even Chakoti/Seven would occasionally call her out. Sorry to tell you this but 
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Aug 31, 2016 00:27
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It's the 26th century and the federation is fleet is being pushed back by the sphere builders. Suddenly an armada of Menk ships comes out of warp, "I'm sure glad someone allowed them to develop naturally as a species."
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Aug 31, 2016 00:38
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How can anyone not love Sisko?  He's unironically the best Captain.
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Aug 31, 2016 02:10
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Apollodorus posted:yes, because that is exploration that awaits us "Stardate 43375.7: We have arrived in orbit over what we believed to be a newly-discovered world, only to discover the words "first, lol" crudely carved across the southern continent in Klingon writing by disruptor fire. We have responded by phasering "Your cowardly mothers suck Cardie cocks" in Klingon across the orbiting moon, so the colonists are forced to look up and see it every night. We anticipate all-out war in six months, lol".
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Aug 31, 2016 02:46
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HeartPlug posted:I get why Archer's trying to save the guy's life but Travis has a point. I don't think they have jurisdiction over the freighter people. What bugs me is that the scene's kind of treated like Picard giving an uplifting pep-talk to Wesley and the audience is supposed to be awed by Picard, but in this case Picard was only half paying attention to what Wesley was saying and kind of missed the point. I thoguht they were under earth's jurisdiction? either way though, he's trying to save their lives, since he knows the Nausicaans would blow their freighter out of the water
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Part of what makes Enterprise so frustrating is after coming off all the other series, in order to showcase that this is humanity's first time sort of stumbling around the neighbourhood the NX-01 crew is made to appear irritatingly incompetent for much of the series Like that one early on where the solution is literally just "call the Vulcans who are nearby for help" and they keep loving up until they drop a loving shuttlepod with two people with it into a crack on an comet or poo poo. Like hey, this embarrassing situation that nearly got two of your guys killed could have been easily avoided if you had just not chosen to behave like loving children but that poo poo is literally the main gimmick for at least two seasons and it gets old quick
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Aug 31, 2016 03:05
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Tighclops posted:Part of what makes Enterprise so frustrating is after coming off all the other series, in order to showcase that this is humanity's first time sort of stumbling around the neighbourhood the NX-01 crew is made to appear irritatingly incompetent for much of the series yeah it was really frustrating because the whole "humanity's rocky start at this whole space faring thing" is a great concept and they never did it right. i rewatched the first episode recently right after having electroconvulsive treatment because I wasn't thinking very clearly and within the first ten minutes I was actually angry over archer being such a miserable little brat. there had to be a better way to show humanity's growing pains without having the humans act like obnoxious children.
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Aug 31, 2016 03:31
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Everything from Profit and Loss onwards to season 2's finale is so drat good. Old school Klingons having a happy vengeance adventure, Maquis, lesbian dominatrix mirror Kira, a Garak story, more Bajoran war criminals and Jem'Hadar.
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Aug 31, 2016 03:55
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DS9 is great but man it's kind of hard to just pick up a random episode when you're bored, especially later on
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Aug 31, 2016 04:26
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Big Mean Jerk posted:How can anyone not love Sisko? Sisko was ruined by Brooks performance, I dont blame him though because he is fine in other stuff so must have been the directors.
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Aug 31, 2016 06:28
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Triggered posted:Sisko was ruined by Brooks performance, I dont blame him though because he is fine in other stuff so must have been the directors. Brooks's performance is what make Sisko so loving awesome. He's so over the top but ever so watchable regardless.
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Aug 31, 2016 07:03
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Dukat and Sisko both need to act out the Orson Welles commercials.
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Aug 31, 2016 07:06
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around why so many Trekkies hate Avery Brooks's performance as Sisko. He's full on theater acting, rather than television acting. But then, Shatner and Stewart were also doing Shakespearean overacting in their shows as well. I never understand the refusal to accept change because DS9 tried to do things differently. I hate Shatner's acting, Mulgrew's acting, and Brooks' acting. I don't understand how you can say that Stewart was doing "Shakespearean overacting" unless you're referring to the times when Picard was reading poetry or whatever. He is capable of subtlety and convincing you that you are watching a Starfleet Captain. The others never stop being obviously (bad) actors. DS9 is still the second best Star Trek though.
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The word I would use to describe Avery Brooks' acting is "bombastic"
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TOS is the worst offender though and I can't watch it because of that. It seems that at some point in the 70s or 80s, someone realized "holy poo poo, maybe it would help our audience's suspension of disbelief if the people on the screen behaved like people", and TV and movies suddenly got a ton better. It's like how at some point painters realized "wait, maybe we should make the people in our paintings look like actual people and not merely representations"
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Aug 31, 2016 07:33
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I've never seen so many wrong opinions on one page before. Jesus christ, you people 
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Aug 31, 2016 08:37
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I mean goddamn how can one post showcase that much ignorance about television and art? If anything, network tv acting has gotten worse since the 80's. And before someone mentions them, shows like Sopranos or Breaking Bad are exceptions to the rule. Just look at literally any show on ABC or CBS.
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Aug 31, 2016 08:42
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treiz01 posted:The word I would use to describe Avery Brooks' acting is "bombastic" I would use the word poo poo, cos it was poo poo.
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Aug 31, 2016 08:43
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I mean goddamn how can one post showcase that much ignorance about television and art? AugmentedVision fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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Aug 31, 2016 09:04
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real people are unpalatable assholes anyway
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Tighclops posted:Part of what makes Enterprise so frustrating is after coming off all the other series, in order to showcase that this is humanity's first time sort of stumbling around the neighbourhood the NX-01 crew is made to appear irritatingly incompetent for much of the series Gatekeeper posted:yeah it was really frustrating because the whole "humanity's rocky start at this whole space faring thing" is a great concept and they never did it right. i rewatched the first episode recently right after having electroconvulsive treatment because I wasn't thinking very clearly and within the first ten minutes I was actually angry over archer being such a miserable little brat. there had to be a better way to show humanity's growing pains without having the humans act like obnoxious children. They didn't handle it in the right way but it made sense. The Vulcans held back humanity for 100 years because they are douches and even after we get ships (that are much less advanced and slower than theirs because they won't share technology) they are complete condescending dicks that have to be involved at every stage, in every decision. Archer was characterized as barely saving the Warp 5 engine after the Vulcans completely poo poo all over it after a failed test and wanted humanity to wait another 20-30 years to even get started and the captain of the first Warp 5 ship that constantly has Vulcans following him around space and being jerks at every available opportunity. It was a big deal that Cochrane and his father were both dead and it took more than a lifetime for them to even get a working engine into space because some monotone jerks were constantly hovering around talking about how incompetent humanity is. The point of that episode was him trying to prove humanity can handle things without the Vulcans (specifically because they are uninvited and are just following around Enterprise and babysitting it which is why they were nearby in the first place) but in the end he relented and let them help
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Tighclops posted:Part of what makes Enterprise so frustrating is after coming off all the other series, in order to showcase that this is humanity's first time sort of stumbling around the neighbourhood the NX-01 crew is made to appear irritatingly incompetent for much of the series My biggest problem with Enterprise is that they decided to go back to the TOS formula of "three main characters and then a few minor ones." This would have been fine except the three characters they wrote didn't really play well off of each other, and the minor characters were so one-dimensional that they may as well have used extras in those positions. I think it was Gene Coon who was talking about the Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic and how he came up with it. He said that he wrote them as if they were a single character. Spock was the brains, McCoy was the heart, and Kirk was the measured response. You don't have that at all in Enterprise. You have the dick, the dick's friend, and the bitchy outsider. Hail Mr. Satan! fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I've never seen so many wrong opinions on one page before. Jesus christ, you people Page 212 is our Wolf 359
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shadow puppet of a posted:Page 212 is our Wolf 359 I am ShitPostus of poo poo. Good Opinions are futile. This thread as it has been is over, it will service the gas chamber
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I started watching the first season of the first Star Trek ironically, but it's actually good? It's like The Twilight Zone. The part where shirtless Sulu is going crazy with a sword and grabs Uhura and says "I shall protect you, fair maiden!" and Uhura says, "sorry, neither" is my favorite dialogue in television ever.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I started watching the first season of the first Star Trek ironically, but it's actually good? It's like The Twilight Zone. The part where shirtless Sulu is going crazy with a sword and grabs Uhura and says "I shall protect you, fair maiden!" and Uhura says, "sorry, neither" is my favorite dialogue in television ever. I'm loving it too EXT. DESERT PLANET - DAY Sulu is holding a space-dog and is staring into the distance wondering what his life could have been like had he never joined Starfleet.
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MrSlam posted:I'm loving it too Is that the same look you get when wondering what life could have been like if you hadn't started watching Star Trek?
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Later on it's "Captain, we're turning into frosticles here. Can't you just beam us up and keep our evil halves in the brig until you figure this out?"
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Guy Goodbody posted:I started watching the first season of the first Star Trek ironically, but it's actually good? It's like The Twilight Zone. The part where shirtless Sulu is going crazy with a sword and grabs Uhura and says "I shall protect you, fair maiden!" and Uhura says, "sorry, neither" is my favorite dialogue in television ever. I think Voyager and Enterprise make it easy to forget that Star Trek was once unironically good television.
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Sunswipe posted:I think Voyager and Enterprise make it easy to forget that Star Trek was once unironically good television.
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Sunswipe posted:I think Voyager and Enterprise make it easy to forget that Star Trek was once unironically good television. I think I only watched one episode of Enterprise, and all I remember is that the guy got butt pregnant from an alien and started growing nipples all over his body and got all safety-conscious and crazy because being pregnant made him like a woman.
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Apollodorus posted:yes, because that is exploration that awaits us Welp, I'm down
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think I only watched one episode of Enterprise, and all I remember is that the guy got butt pregnant from an alien and started growing nipples all over his body and got all safety-conscious and crazy because being pregnant made him like a woman. That was an exceptionally hosed up episode. It's like a human saying "uh, this is how we say hello" and jamming their dick into a random alien orifice.
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AugmentedVision posted:Textbook strawman. You couldn't refute the claim that back in the day nobody on TV or movies acted like real people, so you chose to refute the fabricated claim "big bang theory is good" instead. lmao "nobody acted like real people back then" "i disagree, i think if anything it's worse now" "oh look, the ol' Bing bong strawman  "
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