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we should remember these speeches on nov 8, maybe this is how the concession speech is done nowadays daniel webster got hosed by redistricting but he won a district with 18% of his old one (only 5. he's an enemy of paul ryan and such his old district is now a safe blue orlando district and a lady police chief, valdez demings, won the primary. grayson and webster are likely to be replaced by soto and demings in the orlando area, or whatever the geography is, increasing minority representation in congress lol this guy won the gop nomination in a 50-48 obama district quote:Babeu touted abusive, inhumane discipline of special needs teens at boarding school there's more, the school got shut down, but i dont wanna quote a whole article and its depressing so i dont know if he's gonna run very far ahead of trump. the democrats got the candidate they wanted, who i think was a republican state legislator like 3 years ago or some poo poo. centrists are real and wave elections are their friend oystertoadfish has issued a correction as of 06:28 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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well i guess there's no real harm from his saltiness but it's no surprise tim canova is a child
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Lol the Trumpenproles are already taking over the GOP, and I don't think they're too concerned with it burning down or not. Canova is somebody whose policies I don't agree with or trust him to actually sincerely hold, and I ABSOLUTELY do not trust him to not break ranks just to make a show of how independent he is and screw up some legislation. DWS is somebody whose policies I don't agree with and I believe she holds them sincerely, but she'll vote however Pelosi tells her to so I'm not too terribly sad to see her win.
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Epic High Five posted:DWS is somebody whose policies I don't agree with and I believe she holds them sincerely, but she'll vote however Pelosi tells her to so I'm not too terribly sad to see her win. Well, you say that, but... quote:Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz blocked consideration of a resolution at the party’s summer meeting that would have praised President Obama and backed the his nuclear deal with Iran, The Washington Post reported Saturday, citing unnamed sources. I don't buy the "procedural issues" excuse, shockingly. Canova was a lovely challenger to DWS, no question, and his loss is a great example of why the Bernie-or-Bust types are so incredibly worthless. Had they put half as much effort into downticket races as they have in whining online, this would have been a winnable race. I didn't think they would, and I'm not surprised by this outcome, but still, they have no one to blame but themselves for this outcome. But even so, Wasserman Schultz is a pretty glaring example of some of the worst aspects of the Democratic Party. Her remaining in Congress is Not A Good Thing, IMO.
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ufarn posted:He's a Silicon Valley cartoon character who's probably going to be very centrist. "centrist"? he's been interviewed by breitbart and he's in cahoots with noted aspiring vampire and open white supremacist peter thiel and a lot of the most racist portions of the chinese-american community Jerry Manderbilt has issued a correction as of 13:33 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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What a shock, the guy BernieBros put all their hopes and dreams into is a whiny child. Also a complete loser like their hero.
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both DWS and Canova are scum. but, uh, they're Florida Democrats. So that almost goes without saying.
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The fact that Democrats can't even get rid of someone as odious as Wasserman Schultz in a primary is why we can't have nice things.
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i'm old enough to remember when progressives celebrated dws' appointment as a sign of the party's leftward turn
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Concerned Citizen posted:i'm old enough to remember when progressives celebrated dws' appointment as a sign of the party's leftward turn Which "progressives" were those?
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mcmagic posted:Which "progressives" were those? in the dark days when one's progressiveness was measured by the intensity of your opposition to the iraq war. (dws was not only against it, but wanted immediate withdrawal and supported impeaching bush) the same reason why howard dean, the most conservative democratic governor in the country, became a progressive hero. and a big reason why progressives backed obama over clinton in 2008.
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Howard Dean was actually a much better DNC head than Kaine or DWS. He orchestrated the Dems' biggest wins in the last 20 years.
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Corek posted:Howard Dean was actually a much better DNC head than Kaine or DWS. He orchestrated the Dems' biggest wins in the last 20 years. Devi's advocate: how much of that was Dean and how much of that was the overall political environment in 2006? Basically, would the Dems have made those gains even if there hadn't been a DNC chair? We need a measurement of replacement-level in politics...
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mcmagic posted:The fact that Democrats can't even get rid of someone as odious as Wasserman Schultz in a primary is why we can't have nice things. House politics are entirely local and have little to nothing to do with any sort of national feeling about someone. DWS was/is popular in her district, she was never in any danger.
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Also Tim Canova getting up after running a quixotic campaign that was going to go exactly nowhere and having a giant whine is pretty funny.
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Schnorkles posted:House politics are entirely local and have little to nothing to do with any sort of national feeling about someone. This is the problem. Republicans have been able to nationalize house races and Dems haven't. Corek posted:Howard Dean was actually a much better DNC head than Kaine or DWS. He orchestrated the Dems' biggest wins in the last 20 years. Dean's post DNC career has been pretty despicable but he was at least a competent chair unlike DWS.
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Corek posted:Howard Dean was actually a much better DNC head than Kaine or DWS. He orchestrated the Dems' biggest wins in the last 20 years. I'm not willing to give him 2008 because a glass of water could've won a minor landslide after Palin and 8 years of Bush Plus a lot of those "wins" were actually conservatives who saw the writing on the wall sooooo
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Corek posted:Howard Dean was actually a much better DNC head than Kaine or DWS. He orchestrated the Dems' biggest wins in the last 20 years. Dean was a good DNC chair in the sense that he made significant and strategic investments in the Democratic Party's data apparatus and helped bring the party out of the stone age, but beyond that it's hard to really credit him with 2006 or 2008.
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Dean's huge wins were basically him riding political shifts and saying 'you're WELCOME'. He wasn't a bad head by any means, but DWS also isn't bad. There's a decent gap between 'not bad' and 'good' in a job like that.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Dean's huge wins were basically him riding political shifts and saying 'you're WELCOME'. He wasn't a bad head by any means, but DWS also isn't bad. There's a decent gap between 'not bad' and 'good' in a job like that. DWS was good at raising money, I'm not sure I'd say she was good at anything else.
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She ran an abysmal midterm in 2014. There was no coordinated message coming from the top, so instead you had some Dems running away from Obama.
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Concerned Citizen posted:DWS was good at raising money, I'm not sure I'd say she was good at anything else. she was REALLY good at raising money. In her position, especially when you have tons of states actively trying to throw roadblocks into the DNC's way and all, that's a pretty big feather in the cap. Like I said, huge gap between 'not bad' and 'good', I'm just saying she's not bad in the same way Dean was not bad.
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FlamingLiberal posted:She ran an abysmal midterm in 2014. There was no coordinated message coming from the top, so instead you had some Dems running away from Obama. the DNC is not the DCCC or the DSCC
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FlamingLiberal posted:She ran an abysmal midterm in 2014. There was no coordinated message coming from the top, so instead you had some Dems running away from Obama. 2014's problem was the exact opposite. the messaging was coordinated to a hilarious degree, to the point where most campaigns were cookie cutter versions of each other. some dems ran away from obama, which was a good thing. there's no reason for democrats to tie themselves to obama if he's an anchor in their district.
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I have no idea how good or bad DWS was at her gig other than that she was pretty awful on camera when I saw her.
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FlamingLiberal posted:We are the worst state/party There ya go.
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FlamingLiberal posted:We are the worst state party The idea that someone with Patrick Murphy's resume was able to win a state wide primary for a contested senate seat is almost unfathomable.
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If any state party could somehow have a negative 'bench' of candidates it would be Florida.
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mcmagic posted:The idea that someone with Patrick Murphy's resume was able to win a state wide primary for a contested senate seat is almost unfathomable. I loved that Biden confused him with another congressman with the same name when endorsing him.
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Concerned Citizen posted:2014's problem was the exact opposite. the messaging was coordinated to a hilarious degree, to the point where most campaigns were cookie cutter versions of each other. some dems ran away from obama, which was a good thing. there's no reason for democrats to tie themselves to obama if he's an anchor in their district. It made some of them look really wishy washy though. "lol I don't remember who I voted for in 2012" is going to make you look like to a moron to both liberals and conservatives.
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mcmagic posted:The idea that someone with Patrick Murphy's resume was able to win a state wide primary for a contested senate seat is almost unfathomable. The idea that his only opposition was Alan Grayson is much more unfathomable, really
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mcmagic posted:Dean's post DNC career has been pretty despicable but he was at least a competent chair unlike DWS. What are your criteria for determining the competency of a chair? To avoid this becoming a masochistic exercise, please avoid "absence of" traits (e.g. "Dean was competent because he wasn't forced out over what was revealed in hacked emails"). I'm curious, because I've always struggled with measuring that outside of electoral results... but I struggle to blame the Gerrymander on DWS.
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Geoff Peterson posted:What are your criteria for determining the competency of a chair? To avoid this becoming a masochistic exercise, please avoid "absence of" traits (e.g. "Dean was competent because he wasn't forced out over what was revealed in hacked emails"). a dnc chair can and should be measured by the money they raise, the way they invest, the effectiveness of their advocacy for the party, and their ability to competently take on the core logistical functions of the national party. for example: terry mcauliffe took over the democratic party at a very weak moment in its electoral history. the house was gone, the senate was gone (temporarily), and al gore just "lost" to george w. bush. but he totally rebuilt the dnc (literally built a new building) and made investments that yielded electoral success down the line. howard dean built on many of terry mcauliffe's accomplishments when moving the party forward after the 2004 election, including moving the data infrastructure under a unified NGP/VAN and investing in more candidate recruitment. those two chairs have something in common - they were chairs while the party was out of power and worked to make reforms that improved its competitive position. it's more difficult to make reforms when you have the white house, so kaine & dws served more as caretakers and fundraisers.
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mcmagic posted:The idea that someone with Patrick Murphy's resume was able to win a state wide primary for a contested senate seat is almost unfathomable. What's wrong with his resume? Wasn't he a partner at one of the Big 4 accounting firms?
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murphy is good at raising money and bad at basically everything else, which is an improvement over the typical florida candidate which is bad at everything
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axeil posted:What's wrong with his resume? Wasn't he a partner at one of the Big 4 accounting firms? LOL He was at Deloitte for like 2 years. He has literally no accomplishments whatsoever of any form other than having a really rich father who gave him lots of money and funded his campaigns. He's repulsive.
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axeil posted:What's wrong with his resume? Wasn't he a partner at one of the Big 4 accounting firms? However, he won a House seat from a Republican and got reelected in a light red district. That part at least is exactly the kind of background that I'd expect to see from someone who wins a Senate primary. Is there something about his legislative career that I'm missing?
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