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Xanei.exe posted:I just don't think it helps when someone is attempting to start a thread and you get a handful of people who are complaining about the topic instead of adding to the discussion. Like the one guy posting in the Dryman thread saying "this is the worst CYOA I've ever seen". I'm not saying GBS should be a happy feel-goodery but I think it makes it harder to post for some when they might get shot down instantly without their ideas even being given a chance. It seems like Dryman is one of those "it's funny because it's bad on purpose" deals and that complaining that it's bad isn't the kind of thing that would discourage Black Baby Goku.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:01
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Bitter Mushroom posted:dgsw was funny when he told us about his time with the bathyspheres DGSW is the zeitgeist of GBS made manifest and I notice he is a lot funnier when the forum is funnier and that he does more effort posts when the effort level in GBS goes up.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:02
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maybe u ppl expect too much of dryman and just need to accept responsibility for bringing him here in the first place i am pregnant with YOUR BABY
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Aug 31, 2016 17:03
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Applewhite posted:It seems like Dryman is one of those "it's funny because it's bad on purpose" deals and that complaining that it's bad isn't the kind of thing that would discourage Black Baby Goku. Bad example then, I guess. Iunno maybe it's just me. 
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Aug 31, 2016 17:06
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Applewhite posted:DGSW is the zeitgeist of GBS made manifest and I notice he is a lot funnier when the forum is funnier and that he does more effort posts when the effort level in GBS goes up. I notice that you like to gently caress horses because you're sexually attracted to them
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Aug 31, 2016 17:18
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Applewhite posted:Ehh. I don't think it's so bad. Like I said it's a place for friends to shoot the poo poo. It comes and goes in cycles. Its become a chat room for unfunny people like nooner and his retarded irc friends.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:24
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Germstore posted:I feel like a lot of this is from daytrippers from other subforums. I say build a wall around FYAD and make them pay for it. The thing is GBS people try to mimick FYAD unsuccessfully, resulting in pseudo-irony and hating everything and everyone.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:24
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Those popular kids think they are so cool but they are so not, right guys?
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Aug 31, 2016 17:26
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I'm gonna have a viewing party for "The Crow" later; ya'll wanna come? You seem like nonconformist outsiders, just like me.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:28
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Lowtax posted:The problem is balancing the social dynamics and giving people what they want versus what is "best" for the community. If I were suddenly to say "GBS rules are now reverting to 2002 GBS rules," it'd be such a drastic change that folks would abandon ship and the overwhelmingly negative mood towards seemingly arbitrary dramatic rule changes would cause resentment in the community. That's the opposite of what I'd like. I know it sounds retarded for me to be writing all these words and trying to look at things from a sociological point of view, because it's just an internet forum and I've obviously already done my damage to it, but changes, no matter how minute, make a huge difference in peoples' perception and the overall attitude of the forums. Back when the mods and admins and I were all hardasses about grammar and spelling and non-internet speak, that was pretty much a unique feature for an internet forum. Then I got lax and laziness, from both myself and the users, slowly set in, and this laziness caused the creativity and community to wilt. There is a balancing act to be had with the hardass rules and whatnot - early on the rules were key to establishing a "culture" for the board, new people were harshly indoctrinated into following them and eventually drank the koolaid. This is really important because new posters were often terrible, lurk more was a catchphrase for a reason. But as the community aged, fewer new people were joining, a higher percentage of posters were veterans, the importance shifted. Does it really make sense to stop a consistently funny poster from posting for 3 days because he used a lack of punctuation to convey tone in a joke post? I realize no one is going to be the e e cummings of postcraft, but it's cool to me for the standards to be different for a new poster vs an experienced one flouting rules for effect. That's not to say no rules are important - GBS in particular has a lot of negativity and making GBS threads on effort and all that. Wish I had ideas as to how to fix it - it's easy to look back and point out where things went wrong, not so easy to predict what the impact of the various decisions made right now are. You sound a bit too hard on yourself here honestly - you aren't exactly an administrative role model or anything but you've done alright.
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Okay, it turns out "y troll" was, in fact, Dare. I should say this surprises me, but honestly it doesn't. I tried to talk and reason with him yesterday but his train of thought is just... Jesus, I cannot describe it.quote:dare: your permaban rules are quite black and white now. i first got permabanned on your forum for arguing with goddess under the account Bomb Scarborough in a thread where a woman felt threatened by a security guard coming onto her not physically and wanted to get him fired. i said why dont u tell him off? i was permabanned for that and its continued to be attached to my name. i was 15. since then ive probably done worse things because of it. but i dont feel its fair to lump me in with ppl that post Childporn. whats the deal are you ever gonna unban me even if i post without e-speak and politely?
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Aug 31, 2016 17:28
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If you want to encourage effortposting, I recommend positive reinforcement. Making rules against"bad" posts will only discourage people from posting altogether, whereas rewarding and recognizing good posts has proven results. I don't know if you recall, but the period when Gnarly was having weekly posting contests saw the longest continuous string of goldmined threads I've seen in my admittedly short time here. Every week there were two or three amazing sticky threads and a lot of great stuff was happening. Gnarlyhotep gets a lot of poo poo but the numbers don't lie and he oversaw a GBS Renaissance. The reward doesn't have to be anything big, it can be something as small as an AV change or even just recognition. Creative types love recognition and if you offer it to them they will work themselves to death to get it. This will, of course require some effort from the mods beyond probating and banning people.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:34
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Lowtax posted:Okay, it turns out "y troll" was, in fact, Dare. I should say this surprises me, but honestly it doesn't. I tried to talk and reason with him yesterday but his train of thought is just... Jesus, I cannot describe it. Xanei.exe posted:"well at least I'm not that guy."
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Aug 31, 2016 17:36
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Aug 31, 2016 17:37
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Holy hell. What goes on in the world that is Dare's mind?
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Aug 31, 2016 17:40
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Wamdoodle posted:Holy hell. What goes on in the world that is Dare's mind? A whole lot of nothing, I imagine.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:42
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Applewhite posted:If you want to encourage effortposting, I recommend positive reinforcement. Making rules against"bad" posts will only discourage people from posting altogether, whereas rewarding and recognizing good posts has proven results. What happened with Gnarly anyway? I started posting in GBS around that time then stopped for a while. Then saw he was banned.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:42
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I have a question. When did "robocop" become an insult? Robocop killed a lot of people and shot that one dude in the dick. And he did cool stuff with his gun and said poo poo like "dead or alive, you're coming with me." Basically Robocop was super cool and using it as a bad thing seems stupid to me? But I guess a lot of the people who use it like that also use a thing from the Matrix to justify them being angry pathetic virgins or something? I dunno man, doesn't make sense.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I have a question. When did "robocop" become an insult? Robocop killed a lot of people and shot that one dude in the dick. And he did cool stuff with his gun and said poo poo like "dead or alive, you're coming with me." Basically Robocop was super cool and using it as a bad thing seems stupid to me? But I guess a lot of the people who use it like that also use a thing from the Matrix to justify them being angry pathetic virgins or something? I dunno man, doesn't make sense. It's a forum censor for the word "s.j.w."
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Jack Trades posted:It's a forum censor for the word "s.j.w." That makes much more sense.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:49
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sell good SA merchandise have a patreon Also change is fine but try and strike a balance between a social justice safespace hellhole where any joke is met with 5x as much outrage and everyone is expected to have D&D without the citations and a complete shitpost wilderness.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:56
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Wamdoodle posted:What happened with Gnarly anyway? I started posting in GBS around that time then stopped for a while. Then saw he was banned. He's still around, but he's hung up the badge. He's just Gnarly, regular citizen now.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:59
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Fat Shat Sings posted:sell good SA merchandise I would buy the poo poo out of/design SA merchandise for days.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:00
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Lowtax posted:It's pretty cool because people would constantly tell me SA was successful despite me, not because of me, and so I distanced myself from it and here we are. There's no sense of "community" anymore, there's no sense of pride anymore, and it makes me kinda sad because in the first few years of its creation, people would make friends, show effort, and actually be proud the content on these forums they created was the best out there. Now effort is viewed as a bad thing, saying anything positive about the forums is a bad thing, being associated with other goons is a bad thing, etc etc. Honestly, I would say go for it with a purge and moving back to old-school GBS rules. As you said yourself, you're not making much money off this site anymore, and while you'd most likely get a pretty big exodus of users, a large chunk of them would be the same ironic whitenoise chucklefucks you're trying to reduce anyway, and eventually the userbase will start increasing again when people realize that SA is once again a site where you can post more than a paragraph on a subject you like without 10 people going "lol nice effortpost" or posting that krusty picture. If you were rolling in income from running SA, it would make sense to try to ease into rule changes and such, but all things considered, if you hate what the site has become, and it's not even that profitable anymore, then take it back! Would you rather have 10,000 users in an 80/20 split between shitposters and people who actually contribute, or 2,000 users composed almost entirely of people who can put full sentences together and go more than 3 posts without saying "lol cuck" or "goku" or whatever?
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Aug 31, 2016 18:05
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Lowtax posted:Okay, it turns out "y troll" was, in fact, Dare. I should say this surprises me, but honestly it doesn't. I tried to talk and reason with him yesterday but his train of thought is just... Jesus, I cannot describe it. holy poo poo 
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Aug 31, 2016 18:10
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SA Forum Purge 2016: Whitenoise Reckoning
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Aug 31, 2016 18:12
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bradzilla posted:holy poo poo I thought it was pretty well-established that he is in fact legitimately mentally ill?
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Aug 31, 2016 18:12
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I don't think the solution to fixing an apparently dying forum is a mass purge. If you're going to do that at least balance it like Applewhite said with rewarding good posts. I dunno, I've been here a long time and it's different than it used to be but so is the entire internet. There's nothing that's going to bring the forums back to what they were like from 99-05 other than a time machine but figuring out a way to reward creativity and content creation would go a long way imo.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:14
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Sir_Charles posted:I don't think the solution to fixing an apparently dying forum is a mass purge. If you're going to do that at least balance it like Applewhite said with rewarding good posts. IMO a good way to reward creativity in this context is to crack down on ironic shitposting and white noise. I've seen tons of threads that started as earnest discussions of whatever, and almost immediately devolved into a ton of people either posting complete nonsequitors in the usual whitenoise style, or even worse people just posting to say things like "this is a lovely thing to talk about" or "nice effortpost loser" and the like. The creativity and content is still there, it's just drowning in a sea of people who think the peak of hilarity is making GBS threads on every "effortpost" they see.
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drunk asian neighbor posted:I thought it was pretty well-established that he is in fact legitimately mentally ill? He is dangerously unhinged at the very least, or almost constantly in the midst of an almost complete schizophrenic break from reality, complete with gang stalking and other hallucinations
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Aug 31, 2016 18:18
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I've watched GBS evolve over many years into what it is today, and I actually quite like the current tone. It would be nice if effortposts weren't immediately poo poo on, but I think the current mix of medium effort/low effort/white noise does strike a pretty funny balance. I think we're essentially in the position of many small towns across the country who have had to reconfigure themselves after the initial boom of whatever industry made them popular in the first place. That is, stable, safe, full of people who would never dream of moving, but with a declining population that's getting older and older on average. We should try to import some refugees from other forums that are in the midst of collapsing, an infusion of people would be a real help.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:19
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drunk asian neighbor posted:IMO a good way to reward creativity in this context is to crack down on ironic shitposting and white noise. I've seen tons of threads that started as earnest discussions of whatever, and almost immediately devolved into a ton of people either posting complete nonsequitors in the usual whitenoise style, or even worse people just posting to say things like "this is a lovely thing to talk about" or "nice effortpost loser" and the like. Actually a good reward for creativity in this context is an actual reward.
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Sir_Charles posted:I don't think the solution to fixing an apparently dying forum is a mass purge. If you're going to do that at least balance it like Applewhite said with rewarding good posts. I think a balance of rewarding quality content whilst purging the shitposting fuckups would go a long way. As mentioned earlier, quality posters over quantity is far more ideal.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:22
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Fat Shat Sings posted:have a patreon Not so much this, but start a gofundme/kickstarter to pay for a coder to do poo poo that needs doing and to implement some of the good suggestions from the "suggest new features" thread to more straightforwardly deal with one of the problems the site has without getting into the nebulous and hard to account for world of monthly donations. Or an official merch store, googling "somethingawful merch" comes up with a bunch of lovely cafepress type stores selling grenade logo things and awesomeface tshirts so there's got to be some kind of demand for this stuff. Fat Shat Sings posted:Also change is fine but try and strike a balance between a social justice safespace hellhole where any joke is met with 5x as much outrage and everyone is expected to have D&D without the citations and a complete shitpost wilderness. Bring back Garbage Pit.
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disco volante posted:We should try to import some refugees from other forums that are in the midst of collapsing, an infusion of people would be a real help. Just go to reddit, the only thing SA is missing now is all the banned bigots and misogynists. Making the world a better place for people is lame.
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Sir_Charles posted:I don't think the solution to fixing an apparently dying forum is a mass purge. If you're going to do that at least balance it like Applewhite said with rewarding good posts. I don't think it needs to be a full purge, a wave of medium length probes for all the one or two word white noise non sequiturs would get the point across and give time for average quality to improve. No need for a good poster to get caught up and banned for posting "lol" at the wrong time.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Just go to reddit, the only thing SA is missing now is all the banned bigots and misogynists. Making the world a better place for people is lame. No one gives a gently caress that you're triggered by people discussing terror attacks in Europe or whatever.
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