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Calax posted:http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/18/tencent-holdings-takes-full-control-of-riot-games/ that article literally says that Tencent already had 93% ownership and that this last 7% likely wouldn't change anything in terms of how the company would be ran, and so far it hasn't. If the rumor was true then it would be the first time Tencent had used this power in a major way over Riot, and we also have no credibility to the statement of "Tencent is going to take control of LCS Monetization". This article from a year ago with no relevance to the current conversation changes literally nothing about what we do or do not know, gently caress off.
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Please don't slander the good name of big bad bart
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Aug 31, 2016 14:52
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Calax posted:http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/18/tencent-holdings-takes-full-control-of-riot-games/ This article is from 8 months ago and doesn't specifically reference LCS or it's management at all.
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the tencent rumour is from this richard lewis video i think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT41NVrL0o since it's rl i'd imagine there's something behind it
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Aug 31, 2016 15:13
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I'd imagine there's some reading of the tea leaves in general going on re: tencent and Riot. Ali Baba deciding "oh hey lets get into E-sports" has caused some waves in China and the surrounding area and tencent might feel it needs to do something to protect market share. Though how that translates to showing butt cream ads during american League streams I dunno. That said I have no idea of the breakdown of LoL v Dota2 in China, but I was under the impression that China was one of Lol's primary growth markets right now.
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Aug 31, 2016 15:18
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league is huge in china, i dont think dota2 ever really reached the heights that dota1 did because the system requirements were a bit too much and perfect world are a bunch of incompetent bumblers i think the real threat is that people did like dota1 so if someone with money stepped in to take over it could gain more traction in china. i was going to compare the most popular league streamer to dota streamer on panda.tv but pdd has 3 million people watching him right now, i thought panda didn't fake their numbers but theres no way thats right considering the chat speed so i guess its impossible to know. that being said most of the popular streams on panda.tv right now for dota are playing dota1 so uh, lol.
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Aug 31, 2016 15:28
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Aug 31, 2016 15:30
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Does DOTA 1 have any active development still or has it been stagnant for a long time?
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Aug 31, 2016 15:34
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http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Game_Versions the last changelist that got ported to dota1 was 6.83d which was in dota2 early 2015.
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Radical posted:league is huge in china, i dont think dota2 ever really reached the heights that dota1 did because the system requirements were a bit too much and perfect world are a bunch of incompetent bumblers dota is still pretty big over in China but not as much as it was during like TI2-4 eras, theres almost certainly been fall off in the chinese markets but other sections have seen growth, China and CIS teams for instance.
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Radical posted:league is huge in china, i dont think dota2 ever really reached the heights that dota1 did because the system requirements were a bit too much and perfect world are a bunch of incompetent bumblers The Dota2 Major they hosted this year was all kinds of magical. 
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Sexpansion posted:Do we know that Piglet is not playing for TL next season? Because fabbbbby is not going to be on TL https://pvplive.net/c/team-liquid-marksman-announced-free-agency Team Liquid's environment is just a total mess. Piglet brought in, doesn't get along with Xpecial so Xpecial is kicked Piglet replaced with KEITHMCBREIF for attitude problems. Team Liquid sticks with Piglet Quas goes mental and gets kicked/leaves the team Smoothie is brought in, gets along with Piglet just fine TL benches Smoothie so Dardoch/Matt have a "better environment for Lorlou" (Smoothie leaves) Dardoch is benched because he's fighting with Piglet and Loco Dardoch is brought back while suspended because TL couldn't win games without him Piglet leaves because he hates Dardoch TL brings in Fabbyyyy as a replacement TL replaces Fabbyyy after like one game with Jynthe Just about every roster swap they've got has some sort of drama attached to it, Loco is not a great coach and despite TL's upper management seemingly like they care about the players they don't seemed well equipped to deal with all the drama
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RealFoxy posted:Team Liquid's environment is just a total mess. Yeah, if I'm piglet I'm not playing on that team. But, you know, $$$ for playing challenger, why not?
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dicks assassin posted:What's the deal with Piglet? Seems like he's Korean and won worlds but I guess he's a cancer? Piglet is a grown man who cries when he loses video games. No one wants to watch that.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:20
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Loco was a good coach when it was about taking a team of professionals to an international strategic level. He sucks rear end apparently at managing personalities. That makes TL like the worst possible choice for him. Edit: And remember Loco only became the coach of TL because MarkZ quit because the players sucked to coach lol Jerkface fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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Aug 31, 2016 18:24
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I'm not convinced he was ever a good coach. He just fell face first into the Bjerger King.
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Shadow225 posted:I'm not convinced he was ever a good coach. He just fell face first into the Bjerger King. I think he was fine with TSM. Their drafting improved and they started to be able to do macro at a decent level. I think its pretty clear now though that Parth/Weldon, Yamato, Deilor, and Zikz are on a different level, but for being one of the first real authority coaches he was good. He got the players to change their schedules, focus on things like exercise, and poo poo like that.
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Aug 31, 2016 19:49
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Bjergsen stopped listening to Loco when he realized that he was one of the top 25 players of all time listening to someone who struggled to make it into NA LCS with a team full of Korean Pros. Former pros might work well as analysts, some do really well as coaches, but most of the all-star players have an ego and won't listen to former players they were better than
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RealFoxy posted:Bjergsen stopped listening to Loco when he realized that he was one of the top 25 players of all time listening to someone who struggled to make it into NA LCS with a team full of Korean Pros. Former pros might work well as analysts, some do really well as coaches, but most of the all-star players have an ego and won't listen to former players they were better than Never really understood this line of thinking because it's not like anyone who coached the apex world class of professional athletes (like Kobe or Jordan or Lebron in NBA) would ever be better players than them but they are all ostensibly coachable. What is the difference? Like nobody is better than Faker and he has one of the most authoritarian coaches in the world, so...
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Libertine posted:Never really understood this line of thinking because it's not like anyone who coached the apex world class of professional athletes (like Kobe or Jordan or Lebron in NBA) would ever be better players than them but they are all ostensibly coachable. Koreans are a bit different though, E-Sports has been bigger there for a longer time so coaching staff is a lot more refined than it still is in LCS. Remember how long it took for coaches to even EXIST in LCS? And that Lemon having a notebook with picks/bans was a huge advantage for the first year they were in LCS?
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NA is vastly different than KR in how they treat their coaches and their egos though. Like if Faker told Kkoma to gently caress off I'm sure it would not end well for faker, no matter how good a player he is. Especially in eSports, where egos and name mean a lot more than team (spectators tend to follow players, not orgs) and players tend to be young and burn out after a couple years (compare to sports where players can play well into their 30s) which means they don't have many examples of where that is actually horrible in terms of career goals
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Well one difference would be that those guys had been probably been playing basketball from a young age, and been listening to coaches since elementary school where as most lol players "got good" in their late teens by themselves playing solo queue and then all of a sudden have to listen to someone tell them what to do. I don't necessarily buy into the whole "uncoachable" thing
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Kashuno posted:NA is vastly different than KR in how they treat their coaches and their egos though. Like if Faker told Kkoma to gently caress off I'm sure it would not end well for faker, no matter how good a player he is. Especially in eSports, where egos and name mean a lot more than team (spectators tend to follow players, not orgs) and players tend to be young and burn out after a couple years (compare to sports where players can play well into their 30s) which means they don't have many examples of where that is actually horrible in terms of career goals If patches were less often (Maybe twice a year) and people were finding organic counters instead of Riot nerfing or buffing things constantly players might last longer because they wouldn't have to practice 10+ hours a day for 7 days a week.
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I think there's a reason coaches in professional sports are usually considerably older than players, and being able to command respect is one of the major ones. The players-turned-coach in the LCS so far are literally the same ages as the players themselves and the players they're trying to coach now were personally beating the piss out of them last season or a couple seasons ago at most. How can you respect someone you have proof you were better-than? Prolly, one of the more successful player-to-coach stories, coaches in an entirely different region from when he was a player. I think part of the reason for his success is that he's not trying to coach people who don't respect him because they could beat him on the Rift.
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RealFoxy posted:Burnout happens a lot quicker in E-Sports because the size of the hoop doesn't suddenly change one week and the basketball is now suddenly a bowling ball, and your now banned from taking three point shots because it doesn't offer counter-play. Especially in League, patches change things so much that muscle memory tends to betray you when a champion's damage gets nerfed and you're missing smites by 10hp. Oh yeah I definitely agree there. There's a reason that, say, CS:GO players tend to play for a lot longer at a consistent tier of play than the average league pro.
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TSM tanking last summer had nothing to do with Dyrus and Lustboi being trash and was 100% because of Bjerg's ego and Loncodonco's incompetence 
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Okay so I've been out of thee loop like, all season, mostly adjusting to new work/home life situations, partially playing Witcher, mostly just haven't had thee time to catch the new long-form games, can anyone give me the major highlights? Who's going to worlds, how NA is a fairing, what the meta's like now, I know EU is currently a dumpster fire, but that's really the extent of my knowledge.
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Monathin posted:Okay so I've been out of thee loop like, all season, mostly adjusting to new work/home life situations, partially playing Witcher, mostly just haven't had thee time to catch the new long-form games, can anyone give me the major highlights? Who's going to worlds, how NA is a fairing, I know EU is currently a dumpster fire, but that's really the extent of my knowledge.   The teams in green in the "Total" column are qualified for worlds, as are the teams right below them. Other teams will be going, but they haven't all been decided yet. So: EU: G2, H2K NA: TSM, CLG LCK: ROX, SKT LPL: EDG, RNG, IM (third team already decided)
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Only the ones right below them? I thought we usually had three teams. (I admit I'm mostly biased cause Immortals at Worlds sounds like stupid fun)
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Monathin posted:Okay so I've been out of thee loop like, all season, mostly adjusting to new work/home life situations, partially playing Witcher, mostly just haven't had thee time to catch the new long-form games, can anyone give me the major highlights? Who's going to worlds, how NA is a fairing, what the meta's like now, I know EU is currently a dumpster fire, but that's really the extent of my knowledge. There will probably be a lot of big season summary write-ups on Lol esports and some other sites once all the worlds teams qualify. Here's who has qualified so far: http://lol.esportswikis.com/wiki/2016_Season_World_Championship You can watch matches or highlights of any of the regional championships on lol event vods or onivia youtube channel, both are in the op.
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Monathin posted:Only the ones right below them? I thought we usually had three teams. (I admit I'm mostly biased cause Immortals at Worlds sounds like stupid fun) Some teams haven't been decided yet. Immortals has to go through the gauntlet (extra playoffs) to make worlds, although they only have to win one series to do so.
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Pobelter on usually being the crowd underdog: "When Bjergsen gets a CS you can hear TSM chants faintly in the background" https://esports.yahoo.com/pobelter-lcs-finals-league-220000825.html I like Pob I wish IMT was going to worlds instead of CLG
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Jerkface posted:Pobelter on usually being the crowd underdog: "When Bjergsen gets a CS you can hear TSM chants faintly in the background" theres still the gauntlet but man do i want C9 to win
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Jerkface posted:Pobelter on usually being the crowd underdog: "When Bjergsen gets a CS you can hear TSM chants faintly in the background" I'd take NV over CLG. Luna Was Here posted:theres still the gauntlet but man do i want C9 to win Yeah me too.
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Luna Was Here posted:theres still the gauntlet but man do i want C9 to win Yea I want TSM, IMT, and C9 in worlds!!!
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Spring split really is useless isn't it? The meta's changed so much and CLG has gotten so lovely that a world's slot is just wasted on them. This isn't new, a lot of teams have come to worlds in terrible shape after falling apart during the summer split but ugh. Ugh, I say.
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mistaya posted:Spring split really is useless isn't it? The meta's changed so much and CLG has gotten so lovely that a world's slot is just wasted on them. This isn't new, a lot of teams have come to worlds in terrible shape after falling apart during the summer split but ugh. Almost like riot making multiple huge changes throughout a season is lovely for pros
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mistaya posted:Spring split really is useless isn't it? The meta's changed so much and CLG has gotten so lovely that a world's slot is just wasted on them. This isn't new, a lot of teams have come to worlds in terrible shape after falling apart during the summer split but ugh. I liked whoever suggested this but I think this would be cool: Spring is a series of international majors Break with MSI becoming the culmination of the majors Summer split is longer but counts the most Worlds Breaks for IEMs as usual
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