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zoux posted:Hmm this message of peace, understanding and friendship is RELIGIOUS?????? gently caress that. What if it's all a trick, and we create a better world for nothing!?!
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theflyingorc posted:holy hell, Trump sounds like he's about to drop dead at any minute He's too far from New York and surrounded by Hispanics. 
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Aug 31, 2016 22:55
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Shbobdb posted:Those are all fine to good things. The only times those groups have been involved in making the country a worse place are when Christians talk about how bad they are to get out their regressive voting base. You do realize that a good chunk of African-Americans are hella Christian, right?
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DreamingofRoses posted:You do realize that a good chunk of African-Americans are hella Christian, right? Yes . . . your point being?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Also, gently caress this line of thinking.
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Aug 31, 2016 22:57
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Shbobdb posted:I get that and because of the successful branding by right wing lunatics, I find public displays of Christianity gross. People keep asking for facts on what is fundamentally an aesthetic issue. I said that I found her public displays distasteful and people are up in arms because that is against the goon hivemind. ah yes, "tend to" have terrible opinions, still waiting for you to post any policy positions or political opinions that you find objectionable other than vague suspicions based on your admittedly limited interaction and knowledge of Christians that's kind of the textbook definition of a bigoted stereotype 
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I don't get how you can live and go outside in the US and only interact with non-Christians. It must take effort.
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Aug 31, 2016 22:58
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It's disingenuous and frustrating that Trump's trip to Mexico is viewed even remotely positive. Sure, he didn't fall asleep at the podium (just dozed off a bit) and didn't call most of the Mexicans rapists to their faces (just does that here in the US). But his whole, big thing was The Wall, and they didn't discuss The Wall. They both gave speeches where you could have easily copied-and-pasted anybody else's name in there and it would have the same amount of content and sincerity. The bar is set so low for him, it's kinda unbelievable.
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Trabisnikof posted:I don't get how you can live and go outside in the US and only interact with non-Christians. It must take effort. He interacts with plenty of Christians, they just have the decency to not shove it down his throat, don't you know? 
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Aug 31, 2016 23:00
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Hey, if that's your bag, whatever. I mean that's pretty much the background noise of living in America (assuming you do), so it must suck to be you. But to claim she does it any more than any other politician, ESPECIALLY Obama, is laughably and obviously untrue. Give it up.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:00
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Epic High Five posted:I love that Trump has blacklisted like half of the major news sources in the US, is on record saying he's going to strip the first amendment so he can sue them all into ruin, and takes trips to other countries for publicity stunts and doesn't bring them along, but all they can bitch about is Clinton not engaging with the press often enough in the style THEY prefer It sure looks like Chris Christie isn't the only that's gotten house trained by Trump, doesn't it?
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As a former Methodist I can tell you that it's possibly the most boring of the protestant sects and that the sacrament consists of coffee and doughnuts. I'm okay with the left being religious so long as it isn't used to control people. It's politics. You work with the electorate you have, not the one you wish you had.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:I won't brook this kind of attack on Episcopalianism Catholicism with half the calories! 
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Aug 31, 2016 23:04
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Shbobdb posted:Yes . . . your point being? That if Hillary's displays of faith are that distasteful for you I dread to think what you think of a lot of black politicians.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:05
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Trabisnikof posted:I don't get how you can live and go outside in the US and only interact with non-Christians. It must take effort. Probably not that hard if you live in Dearborn or one of those ultra-orthodox towns in NY.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:06
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Shbobdb posted:Yes . . . your point being? Religious african americans give way more of a gently caress about social and financial equality than the "christians" you seem to be interacting with. Like they might personally not be huge fans of the LGBT movement, but given that the black church has been the cornerstone of civil rights in this country they see poo poo like SB2 and know it's a bunch of bullshit that those same white "christains" you've interacted with would do to them if it they could... because they actually loving did it to them 50-60 years ago.
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Shbobdb posted:I get that and because of the successful branding by right wing lunatics, I find public displays of Christianity gross. People keep asking for facts on what is fundamentally an aesthetic issue. I said that I found her public displays distasteful and people are up in arms because that is against the goon hivemind. 
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DreamingofRoses posted:That if Hillary's displays of faith are that distasteful for you I dread to think what you think of a lot of black politicians. He's fine with Obama *for some reason*
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Aug 31, 2016 23:06
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Shbobdb posted:I get that and because of the successful branding by right wing lunatics, I find public displays of Christianity gross. People keep asking for facts on what is fundamentally an aesthetic issue. I said that I found her public displays distasteful and people are up in arms because that is against the goon hivemind. I agree new-Atheism is fundamentally empty and can be repurposed to other means. I just find the language you're using and the tradition you're coming from to be distasteful when done in public.
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I think that shbodb is probably trolling you guys. Though I wonder if we are ever going to see an openly Atheist president in our life times.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:09
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Trabisnikof posted:I don't get how you can live and go outside in the US and only interact with non-Christians. It must take effort. It's really easy. Grow up in a secular Jewish neighborhood with "angry atheist" parents, live in Germany and hang out with Turks and anarchists, move to Indiana and meet a bunch of loving terrifying Christians (as well as a few good ones), move to very secular NYC and surround yourself with secular folks, move to California and likewise surround yourself with secular folks. If I'm talking with someone who is actually religious and isn't my wife, 9/10 times they're going to be Muslim, probably at a bar where we'll be drinking.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:10
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GreyjoyBastard posted:He's too far from New York and surrounded by Hispanics. I get it now, Trump's kryptonite is Hispanics. Just being near them saps him of his powers
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Aug 31, 2016 23:11
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Shbobdb posted:It's really easy. Grow up in a secular Jewish neighborhood with "angry atheist" parents, live in Germany and hang out with Turks and anarchists, move to Indiana and meet a bunch of loving terrifying Christians (as well as a few good ones), move to very secular NYC and surround yourself with secular folks, move to California and likewise surround yourself with secular folks. If I'm talking with someone who is actually religious and isn't my wife, 9/10 times they're going to be Muslim, probably at a bar where we'll be drinking. This is the greatest case of confirmation bias I've ever heard, lmao at you
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Josef bugman posted:I think that shbodb is probably trolling you guys. Most of us have at least another 50-60 years in us as long as healthcare doesn't become a Republican commodity. So it's possible. Magres posted:I get it now, Trump's kryptonite is Hispanics. Just being near them saps him of his powers Trumps super powers are directly correlated to the lack of melanin he's in proximity to.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:12
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A Winner is Jew posted:Religious african americans give way more of a gently caress about social and financial equality than the "christians" you seem to be interacting with. Like they might personally not be huge fans of the LGBT movement, but given that the black church has been the cornerstone of civil rights in this country they see poo poo like SB2 and know it's a bunch of bullshit that those same white "christains" you've interacted with would do to them if it they could... because they actually loving did it to them 50-60 years ago. You trailed off when you got incoherently mad but I agree with the first sentence. If I'm reading you correctly, you've basically described why I find Hillary's religious rhetoric so off putting.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:This is the greatest case of confirmation bias I've ever heard, lmao at you A person's experience shapes the lens through which he views the world. What a radical idea.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:16
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There are a lot of Christians with progressive politics, they just don't tend to bring up their religion in public much. The big JC posted:And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Matthew 6:5-6 Hillary Clinton is not a secret taqiya evangelical, the simple fact is that all the religious-right assholes who you dislike hate her and her politics edit: I mean, hate on religion all you want, but Hillary is One of the Good Ones atheists and agnostics should be all for a louder progressive Christian voice because it's one of the best ways to counter the religious right in American politics Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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Pellisworth posted:There are a lot of Christians with progressive politics, they just don't tend to bring up their religion in public much. Yeah, and that is how I like it and it ought be.
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah, and that is how I like it and it ought be. so then where is your objection, Hillary Clinton is one of the least overtly religious candidates... ever? edit: other than Donald Trump whose religion is as fake as the rest of him, this general election has pretty much the least religious rhetoric of any in my lifetime, certainly Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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Shbobdb posted:A person's experience shapes the lens through which he views the world. What a radical idea. Shbobdb posted:Yeah, and that is how I like it and it ought be. Please go study what "empathy" is, and until then stop posting.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:21
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Shbobdb posted:A person's experience shapes the lens through which he views the world. What a radical idea. the point (which you missed) is that your "lens" precludes you from seeing all the non-vocal religious people you interact with every day. I'm as atheist STEM autist as they come, but I'd rather hang out with one of those low key Ned Flanders than a smug dickhead goon like you any day
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WeAreTheRomans posted:the point (which you missed) is that your "lens" precludes you from seeing all the non-vocal religious people you interact with every day. I'm as atheist STEM autist as they come, but I'd rather hang out with one of those low key Ned Flanders than a smug dickhead goon like you any day Yeah, basically everyone gets coded as atheist unless they are explicitly not atheist. With the quiet ones you never know so it functionally drops out of the equation.
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Shbobdb posted:It's really easy. Grow up in a secular Jewish neighborhood with "angry atheist" parents, live in Germany and hang out with Turks and anarchists, move to Indiana and meet a bunch of loving terrifying Christians (as well as a few good ones), move to very secular NYC and surround yourself with secular folks, move to California and likewise surround yourself with secular folks. If I'm talking with someone who is actually religious and isn't my wife, 9/10 times they're going to be Muslim, probably at a bar where we'll be drinking. Privileged, cosmopolitan dude has has bad opinions and can't imagine people not like him, news at eleven.
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Not that mods read this thread, but mods: I'd pay for a feature that ignores posts quoting a user I have on ignore.
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Lightning Knight posted:Privileged, cosmopolitan dude has has bad opinions and can't imagine people not like him, news at eleven. Why is "people should be public and vocal about their religion" a good opinion? HR at most workplaces heavily frowns upon it but when it comes to the highest office in the nation suddenly it is a requirement?
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah, basically everyone gets coded as atheist unless they are explicitly not atheist. With the quiet ones you never know so it functionally drops out of the equation. Shbobdb posted:Why is "people should be public and vocal about their religion" a good opinion? if only you were one of the quiet ones Here, read this essay by famous evolutionary biologist and agnostic Stephen Jay Gould: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_noma.html
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Pellisworth posted:if only you were one of the quiet ones I just said the religious messaging in Hillary's campaign is a turn off and everybody jumped on me. I'm just trying to live and let live here. Edit: Do you think "politics" is an overlapping magisteria with religion?
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Shbobdb posted:You trailed off when you got incoherently mad but I agree with the first sentence. If I'm reading you correctly, you've basically described why I find Hillary's religious rhetoric so off putting. yes... I'm the incoherently mad one here.  Also, Hillary's religious beliefs align way more with black congregations than the white evangelical ones in that while she might personally be opposed to some things those personal beliefs won't dictate policy if it's taking away someone's rights, so once again you're loving dumb for not being able to see the distinction between republican christians and democrat christians.
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Shbobdb posted:I just said the religious messaging in Hillary's campaign is a turn off and everybody jumped on me. I'm just trying to live and let live here, unless they are Christians whose motives are innately suspect and therefore unfit for public office edit: Shbobdb posted:Edit: Do you think "politics" is an overlapping magisteria with religion? no, read the article
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