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quote:Edgar Wright is also being courted for a DCEU project. I hope he does Suicide Squad 2, actually. Still haven't seen the first one but that dense Edgar Wright energy feels kind of like what the promo material was clumsily trying to go for.
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Sep 1, 2016 15:10
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CelticPredator posted:I tried to Snyder a shot. Ya'll forgot the lens flares. You've done better pics with toys CP.
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Sep 1, 2016 15:13
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RBA Starblade posted:For some reason it makes Hawkeye look like a very tiny man. They all look like they have been photoshopped together, which makes this the most movie poster-accurate 'shop.
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Sep 1, 2016 15:21
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That list might be fake, but I'd be fine if Duncan Jones did Man of Steel 2.
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MacheteZombie posted:You've done better pics with toys CP. Yeah probably. I do have some Avengers lying around somewhere. Maybe I could fully snyder-ize that where I could compose it as he would because there's no way Snyder would ever compose a shot that looks like that.
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Sep 1, 2016 20:42
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Equeen posted:I'm just gonna shamelessly plug Hbomberguy here since he shares your confusion. It's also a good video on action scenes in movies. So the problem with the cinematography in all Marvel movies isn't the cinematographers but the producers and executives? 
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Sep 2, 2016 00:51
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Bedshaped posted:So the problem with the cinematography in all Marvel movies isn't the cinematographers but the producers and executives? If you have 8 hours to do four shots, that's a Hell of a lot better than if you have 8 hours to do eight shots. Guess who wields inordinate control over the shooting schedule?
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Bedshaped posted:So the problem with the cinematography in all Marvel movies isn't the cinematographers but the producers and executives? Snyder shoots on film and uses a single camera. This takes time and money.
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What percentage of the film development cycle is usually devoted to actual production? I was under the impression that it's nothing close to the time spent in dev, pre and post. If it's as short as I would expect, I can't imagine the Marvel producers with infinity billion dollars from Disney and guaranteed free money on release from the Marvel sticker are going to restrain the production stage like that.
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Bedshaped posted:What percentage of the film development cycle is usually devoted to actual production? I was under the impression that it's nothing close to the time spent in dev, pre and post. Depends on the movie. Lots of movies are "finished" almost a year before they actually hit theaters and they are technically still being edited or changed a month before they release, but the bulk of the post work is done in the initial 3 or 4 months after filming and it just gets continually tweaked a little bit for the following 6 months. Typically with a big action blockbuster pre-production is 3-9 months (although this can be like post, where 90% of the work is done in the first 3 months and then gradually for the next 3 to 6), principle photography is 4-8 months, post (including reshoots) is usually 3-6 months. Although it really varies wildly based on the movie, budget, studio, etc. Deadpool had just over 2 months of principle filming. Civil War was about 6 months. BvS was "finished", but technically still in post, almost a full year before the theatrical release. Pre-production for BvS and Civil War both started in mid-2014. It's really hard to say there is a standard. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Sep 2, 2016 |
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Bedshaped posted:So the problem with the cinematography in all Marvel movies isn't the cinematographers but the producers and executives? It probably doesn't help that Marvel prefers directors who are used to a faster paced TV schedule and are used to conforming to a house style. Snyder comes from music videos and commercials, where the storytelling is done as vignettes that rely on visuals and editing to tell the story without a script. Treating his scripts as song lyrics that thematically, but not necessarily literally, support his visual storytelling, makes his his films more interesting to watch for me. EDIT: Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:BvS was "finished", but technically still in post, almost a full year before the theatrical release. This is pretty rare though - we usually deliver the last finaled shot about a month before a movie is released, maybe a few weeks earlier if another studio is doing 3D conversion. Robot Style fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Sep 2, 2016 |
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Sep 2, 2016 02:21
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As much as I love the MCU, I can play the Bad Avengers Shot of the Day, too.  This shot is bad, it makes no sense and I don't get it. It stands out so much when cut to everything else.
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CelticPredator posted:As much as I love the MCU, I can play the Bad Avengers Shot of the Day, too. Why are they sideways??? Are they actually sideways in the movie or did you just rotate the image?
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Sep 2, 2016 16:07
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that's ... not Chris Hemsworth, is it?
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Sep 2, 2016 16:52
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CelticPredator posted:As much as I love the MCU, I can play the Bad Avengers Shot of the Day, too. I am more critical of the MCU but I mean I still love it otherwise I wouldn't be hanging out in the comic book movie thread constantly. But I loved CW and the Cap movies, 2 out of 3 Iron Men, Ant-Man, Guardians, looking forward to Dr. Strange. But man oh man AoU is a turd. I will even give the original Avengers a pass because it mostly plays to Whedon's strengths (dudes standing in room quipping at each other) for the bulk of the movie but Ultron is him stepping outside his comfort zone and it shows so hard. Cripes man, it is grim.
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Sep 2, 2016 17:00
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AoU is awful but I think it's worth a watch just for Spader.
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Sep 2, 2016 17:07
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Just watch a Best of Ultron highlight reel if that's all you're after.
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MacheteZombie posted:Just watch a Best of Ultron highlight reel if that's all you're after. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf-_230SjbM ?
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Sep 2, 2016 17:34
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James Spader is the only reason to watch The Blacklist too. That's some James Spader doing some serious James Spader. Unfortunately it dips in quality whenever he's not on screen.
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Sep 2, 2016 17:42
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Spaders done enough poo poo that you have a wealth of non-aou options if you want to spader up, imo
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Sep 2, 2016 17:51
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Drifter posted:Why are they sideways??? Random sideways is just how Whedon likes it sometimes. 
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Sep 2, 2016 18:17
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It happens in Buffy a lot too. People give Whedon a lot of poo poo, not all of it deserved, but he does really have a distinct bunch of "Whedon-isms" for better or worse.
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Sep 2, 2016 18:22
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I'm no cinematographer, but I think a following shot of that Frankensteiner would require them to pull back to show Black Widow, the thug, and the thug rolling forward onto the floor, which would probably make everyone look less competent (i.e. Black Widow is more obviously a stuntwoman). Plus a wide shot like that would be dangerously close to filming a competent martial arts action scene.Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It happens in Buffy a lot too.
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Sep 2, 2016 18:23
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Halloween Jack posted:I've watched an enjoyed a lot of Buffy but the fight scenes in Buffy were what made me trepidatious about him directing a big budget action film. It wasn't even much of Buffy or Angel that gave me that hesitation (since he only directed like two dozen of each shows' episodes), but after Serenity was so unspeakably hideously shot, I thought, "Great, if that's the best he can do with an actual budget instead of the shoestring that Buffy had..."
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Man, I sure am glad I don't see what's so bad about Avengers and Avengers 2. Must be maddening!Electromax posted:Random sideways is just how Whedon likes it sometimes. I watched that video the other day saying this was one of the worst action scenes ever filmed. To me it looks totally fine, but to others it's the anti-christ. I mean yeah I guess it's weird that its sideways but I just plain never noticed or cared. It's like 1 second.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Man, I sure am glad I don't see what's so bad about Avengers and Avengers 2. The Avengers annoys me because it's really, really poorly shot and directed (the blocking of the actors in particular is hilariously poor) and the ~BIGGEST SUPERHERO MOVIE OF ALL TIME~ somehow manages to open up with an incredibly bland, never-ending action sequence. The less said about Cap's costume, the better. With Age of Ultron, the issue is that despite some legitimate improvement on Whedon's part as a director, the script is an absolute mess and it feels like he had to take four-plus hours of story and cram all of it into two and a half hours, and at no point during the script revision stage did someone say, "Hey, maybe we need to cut some poo poo out, this movie's got way too much going on." It also suffers a bit from Iron Man 2 syndrome, in that too much time is spent on sequences that go absolutely nowhere and serve no function whatsoever except to say, "Hey? See this? Check out the next movie, because it's going to be really cool!" It's a much better-looking movie than The Avengers, but that's about all it has going for it, especially in the way it turns Iron Man 3 into A Very (Un)Important After-School Special.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Man, I sure am glad I don't see what's so bad about Avengers and Avengers 2. Must be maddening! It's cool to know stuff
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Sep 2, 2016 23:17
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Man, I sure am glad I don't see what's so bad about Avengers and Avengers 2. Actually, you very obviously do see - that the camera is sideways, and so-on. What you're saying is that you are indifferent to the quality of the fight scenes. And that's a whole other kettle of fish right there. (Effectively: 'they're good because I fell asleep'.)
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Actually, you very obviously do see - that the camera is sideways, and so-on. I mean, you're not wrong. It's just that when you type "Worst Action Scene Ever" into Youtube you get way worse scenes than anything in Avengers 1 and/or 2. Why is it particularly noticeable in these movies? Are there other popular action movies are similarly criticized?
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The most amazing thing about Avengers to me is just how chopping off the top and bottom of the screen make 99% of it look better. Not necessarily great, but significantly better than it is.
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Sep 3, 2016 00:12
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:It's just that when you type "Worst Action Scene Ever" into Youtube you get way worse scenes than anything in Avengers 1 and/or 2. This is an astonishingly stupid metric.
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GonSmithe posted:This is an astonishingly stupid metric. Sorry, I was referencing Equeen posted:I'm just gonna shamelessly plug Hbomberguy here since he shares your confusion. It's also a good video on action scenes in movies. Where he refers to that Black Widow scene as one of the worst ever made.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Sorry, I was referencing Would you prefer worst action scene in a supposedly credible action movie? It might not be literal 'worst action scene', but it's pretty god drat loving bad. That's what hyperbole is, a tool to make a point. (edit: Rewatching he even pointed that out in the video for commenters like you who get hung up on certain phrases at 5:00). Action scenes have all sorts of ways to be well communicated and look good. The Black Widow scene basically did none of them, and flubbed basic shots. Maluco Marinero fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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I just watched X-Men Apocalypse. Thought it was just a forgettable superhero movie, but have they released any info on the next mainline X-Men flick? As I understand it, each installment beginning with First Class takes place in chosen decade, so next up is 90s. Now, 90s X-men is my jam but I don't have a whole lot of hope for this one. Have they said if Marvel Studios will have any role at in producing it? I just want a good mainline X-men movie. Deadpool was the closest thing I got, really.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Sorry, I was referencing Did you see later when he writes that he hopes people understand hyperbole?
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SnatchRabbit posted:I just watched X-Men Apocalypse. Thought it was just a forgettable superhero movie, but have they released any info on the next mainline X-Men flick? As I understand it, each installment beginning with First Class takes place in chosen decade, so next up is 90s. Now, 90s X-men is my jam but I don't have a whole lot of hope for this one. Have they said if Marvel Studios will have any role at in producing it? I just want a good mainline X-men movie. Deadpool was the closest thing I got, really. Singer has said he won't be directing, but Kinberg will be writing it solo again (as he did with Apocalypse). Kinberg has said that the post-credits scene was his way of saying that Sinister is the villain he intends to use next (and also that he might re-visit Dark Phoenix since he's already going to be using Sinister). And, no, Marvel Studios won't have any involvement. The relationship between Fox and Marvel, especially over the X-Men property, isn't exactly a warm and friendly one at the moment. Timby fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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Marvel has no direct role (they did some small consulting on Deadpool and gave notes to Sony about ASM2 that were ignored) at all in any non-MCU movie except for the new Spider-Man. Word is that Marvel is in the driver's seat for homecoming, but no clear direction on how much control Sony will let them have on Spider-Man going forward.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Man, I sure am glad I don't see what's so bad about Avengers and Avengers 2. Must be maddening! I liked them both well enough myself. Then again, I really likes Man of Steel. I guess I am shallow and enjoy movies the wrong way.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Man, I sure am glad I don't see what's so bad about Avengers and Avengers 2. Must be maddening! They kill people so I'd think you would.
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