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As far as I'm concerned, "aool guy units" are what you call it when you get together with a few of your buddies after everyone has ETSed.
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Naked Bear posted:4-2 SBCT got the axe a few years ago, but a lot of those guys got absorbed by the other two brigades on Lewis. 3rd whatever they were at Benning got rolled up, but that was basically a slowly filling mass grave the amount of people they were losing to training accidents and suicides.
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Fudge posted:The real question is: is the Army still trying to shed personnel? Are they still talking about (or have they) kicked whole brigades to the curb? Unless something has changed radically in the last four years I struggle to think of what circumstance would get you recalled outside of a real-deal WW3 Reserve and National Guard are supposed to be maintaining their numbers, but they're both having retention problems. Regular Army is still trying to downsize.
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Sep 1, 2016 16:27
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psydude posted:Reserve and National Guard are supposed to be maintaining their numbers, but they're both having retention problems Wow, who'd have guessed "three or four days a month, one month a year" would have resulted in problems for reserve component dudes? And I can pretty much guarantee you that somewhere in the Pentagon, some dude is saying "cutting back the active force and then yanking more IRR dudes for deployments will save us money: the extra pay is probably less than what we'd have to pay to house and feed and provide healthcare and pay an active duty soldier full time than just to deploy some IRR joe for a year."
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McNally posted:And I can pretty much guarantee you that somewhere in the Pentagon, some dude is saying "cutting back the active force and then yanking more IRR dudes for deployments will save us money: the extra pay is probably less than what we'd have to pay to house and feed and provide healthcare and pay an active duty soldier full time than just to deploy some IRR joe for a year." I can confirm. They're also talking about what a deal National Guard Soldiers are too.
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Sep 1, 2016 17:06
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That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard and you'd only believe that if you hadn't seen someone on IRR deployed before. Edit: believe they're cheaper, not that anyone is talking about it. milk milk lemonade fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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Sep 1, 2016 20:11
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Fudge posted:That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard and you'd only believe that if you hadn't seen someone on IRR deployed before. Why? Are you saying an Active duty MP company costs the same as a National Guard MP company?
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Sep 1, 2016 20:20
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McNally posted:Wow, who'd have guessed "three or four days a month, one month a year" would have resulted in problems for reserve component dudes? When is the extra drill/training taking effect?
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Sep 1, 2016 20:27
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McNally posted:Wow, who'd have guessed "three or four days a month, one month a year" would have resulted in problems for reserve component dudes? In a plan about as stupid as timing the market I'm waiting for the combination of unpopular war, absolute bottom of the barrel in desperation and needs of the force combined with a soaring economy sending all the smart talented 6 figure income potential people out before I reapply for OCS and have the highest chances of getting my gold bar. If anyone can do it, Hillary Clinton can. How bad will it have to get before the reserves offer me a direct commission to leave the guard and join them?
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Sep 1, 2016 20:50
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spacetoaster posted:Why? Are you saying an Active duty MP company costs the same as a National Guard MP company? There's probably a formula involving how much more life insurance they'll have to pay out vs how much they save not paying them full time in garrison.
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reserve and guard units are cheaper than active duty for sure, but you get what you pay for
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Sep 1, 2016 20:54
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spacetoaster posted:Why? Are you saying an Active duty MP company costs the same as a National Guard MP company? Recalled soldiers are hot trash as an asset. You stil have to train them up and when it's over an extremely pissed off person who actively worked against any sort of good morale in their immediate vicinity fucks off back to civilian land when they're done. I can't see how it would make any sense right now. IRR recalls largely happened out of pure desperation for bodies.
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Sep 1, 2016 21:33
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Fudge posted:Recalled soldiers are hot trash as an asset. You stil have to train them up and when it's over an extremely pissed off person who actively worked against any sort of good morale in their immediate vicinity fucks off back to civilian land when they're done. Ok, I don't know about that. I'm talking about National Guard.
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Sep 1, 2016 21:40
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I have never served alongside an IRR recalled person, but gently caress... I can't even imagine how bitter those people would be. I would be awful, I know that much.
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Sep 1, 2016 22:40
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bulletsponge13 posted:Some of the cool guy units specifically avoid helos if possible because of the lack of stealth and inherent danger and instead go for poo poo like hiluxs and local poo poo. I am not saying that all avoid it. I am saying that according to written accounts and anecdotes from dudes I know, many times units avoid using helos if possible. Were you actually in the military at any point?
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Sep 1, 2016 22:54
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I would imagine that IRR recalls are like jury duty, the only people that actually serve are those too stupid to get out of it.
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Sep 1, 2016 22:55
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The Reserves has about 200K now and they've been directed to get down to 185K by I think it was end of FY 18. And really, that's doable if commands would separate their unsats in a timely manner Edit: I also know that's a simplistic answer, but what I mean is that we could trim the fat in places that wouldn't impact most units noticeably.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:03
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Retardog posted:The Reserves has about 200K now and they've been directed to get down to 185K by I think it was end of FY 18. And really, that's doable if commands would separate their unsats in a timely manner Even just getting rid of non-participants and people who hit 9 Us would take out a decent chunk.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:08
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Aranan posted:I have never served alongside an IRR recalled person, but gently caress... I can't even imagine how bitter those people would be. I would be awful, I know that much. i met a few when i was deployed. one guy went on IRR during desert storm as an early out option or some poo poo and they recalled him to go to loving afghanistan in 2010 lmao my facts might be fuzzy but i know he had been in IRR for like 20 years.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:10
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TBeats posted:i met a few when i was deployed. one guy went on IRR during desert storm as an early out option or some poo poo and they recalled him to go to loving afghanistan in 2010 lmao You can actually retire out of the IRR so long as you fulfull the minimum quota for training each year.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:16
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Vasudus posted:I would imagine that IRR recalls are like jury duty, the only people that actually serve are those too stupid to get out of it. I knew a guy what called up on IRR for early OIF. He was a former Marine lawyer who, on the civilian side, specialized in oil and mineral contract/mining disputes and as a Marine lawyer had done a ton of contract review work. He actively tried to dodge them until people went to his house to say he'd been a by name request and there was no getting out of it, given the circumstances and his qualifications. Rekt. E: he may have been army rather than marine, but w/e.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:25
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Obstacle2 posted:Were you actually in the military at any point? Well I mean technically he's right in that some *special* units use the equivalent of dune buggys with mounted machine guns or w.e., but Im guessing save for super special missions involving stealthiness most *special* COs/BCs would prefer to have a mobile flying death machine escorting their dudes. I know we flew a certain type of US unit that I probably shouldn't mention on here our entire deployment though.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:36
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Helicopters rule and anything that moves on the ground sucks, including but not limited to soldiers and marines.
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We had a female IRR recall during OIF 2. Stress made her act out sexually, pretty great for morale.
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Ace of Baes posted:Helicopters rule and anything that moves on the ground sucks, including but not limited to soldiers and marines. your mom moves on the ground a lot
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Sep 1, 2016 23:41
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Ace of Baes posted:Well I mean technically he's right in that some *special* units use the equivalent of dune buggys with mounted machine guns or w.e., but Im guessing save for super special missions involving stealthiness most *special* COs/BCs would prefer to have a mobile flying death machine escorting their dudes. I know we flew a certain type of US unit that I probably shouldn't mention on here our entire deployment though. I mean they took helicopters to kill bin Laden in Pakistan. Doesn't get too much more stealthy than that. Also laughing at the idea you could stand up an airborne unit in a week. Theres more to being airborne than PLF.
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We had an IRR 11B attached to my National Guard unit in 2009. Dude wasn't happy, but his BAH was higher than his base pay (he was from LA) so he was okay with that. The glare he gave me when I told him "see you next deployment!" when we went home was glorious.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:43
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Obstacle2 posted:I mean they took helicopters to kill bin Laden in Pakistan. Doesn't get too much more stealthy than that. it takes a fair amount of time to instill that kind of need for the green weenie to sodomize you, true
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psydude posted:Even just getting rid of non-participants and people who hit 9 Us would take out a decent chunk. It'd take out nearly all of that...
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Vasudus posted:I would imagine that IRR recalls are like jury duty, the only people that actually serve are those too stupid to get out of it. I think I'm the only one here that actually got recalled and showed up. It was very easy to get out of from what I saw, but this was a group of 11b so it could have been different for other jobs. I think with infantry they just recalled a shitload and expected most to not show up or not be fit to deploy. In my recall group in early 2009, they recalled around 350 dudes and only about 150 reported and less than 100 were deployed. Dudes were getting sent home just for telling the medical folks that they had PTSD symptoms. I was real salty at first when I was recalled because they sent a batch of us to a natty guard cav unit that didn't need us and didn't want us. Instead of letting us go home, they brought us along to serve as PSD for a command group that never left the FOB and to beef up their TOC shifts so their dudes got more time off. I only put my body armor on to fly in and out of country, got a waiver for E6, and saved up a bunch of cash. Crushing boredom, but it could have been much worse.
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RichieHimself posted:I think I'm the only one here that actually got recalled and showed up. It was very easy to get out of from what I saw, but this was a group of 11b so it could have been different for other jobs. I think with infantry they just recalled a shitload and expected most to not show up or not be fit to deploy. In my recall group in early 2009, they recalled around 350 dudes and only about 150 reported and less than 100 were deployed. Dudes were getting sent home just for telling the medical folks that they had PTSD symptoms. Did you max out your APFT to show those dudes what's up?
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Sep 2, 2016 00:48
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the irs should do massive airborne tax ops
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spacetoaster posted:Did you max out your APFT to show those dudes what's up? I'm pretty sure I just did the minimum, if that. The only thing I maxed was cranking down on the reg to include a 30 minute mid-shift tug and plug in the air conditioned shitter. Not enough motivation for anything else.
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Obstacle2 posted:I mean they took helicopters to kill bin Laden in Pakistan. Doesn't get too much more stealthy than that. True but one of them crashed lol. I'm guessing secret squirrel dudes use those for insertion now days but it probably depends a lot on what assets are available in their AoR. Wouldn't be surprised if 90% of stuff that was done with operators is done with drones now anyway, if the object is to kill someone it's a lot easier and nobody goes to jail no matter how many civilians "accidentally" get killed. 
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Yes, I was in the Army.lol I am going off of (yes, anecdotal is not empirical) from a bunch of dudes I have known in SF who said they preferred to roll low vis/avoiding helos if possible. I'm not saying they never use helicopters, or don't roll without gunships on call. I am not saying its standard, it's a tool for the tool box. If you don't want to believe me, Pete Blaber former CAG commander and author of 'The Mission, The Men, and Me' talks about how he avoided helicopters like the plague. And the one week thing is a slight exaggeration. According to the instructors at Banning, they told us that in event of a real war, Airborne school could be condensed to four days, minus actual jumps. Could be bullshit, probably is. Don't care. Airborne Divisions are dumb.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Yes, I was in the Army.lol Ft Banning lmao
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cravius posted:Ft Banning lmao mass lowTAX ops at ft banning
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Ace of Baes posted:True but one of them crashed lol. I'm guessing secret squirrel dudes use those for insertion now days but it probably depends a lot on what assets are available in their AoR. Wouldn't be surprised if 90% of stuff that was done with operators is done with drones now anyway, if the object is to kill someone it's a lot easier and nobody goes to jail no matter how many civilians "accidentally" get killed. Everyone just go read Relentless Strike and then we won't have to continue this conversation.
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If you weren't there yourself then shut up just shut up
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Zeris posted:If you weren't there yourself then shut up just shut up thats pretty good logic wrt historical events imo
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