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Rutibex posted:listen up fatties, there is a time and place for figuring environmental factors. that time is when you are a government scientist that is advising public policy. i have the habit to protest against this fatphobic society(out of my mobility scooter paid for by the taxpayer  )
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Putting on pants never feels good, as they are a tool of the oppressive patriarchs. Eating is a necessity to continue existing, something your body compels you to do on a daily basis, often provides a great deal of pleasure and stress release and is also a social activity most people are expected to participate in on a regular basis. Sit-down restaurants often give you enough food for two or three meals on one plate, with appetizers, alcohol or sugary drinks, salads that could be meals themselves and giant desserts as frequent accompaniment. This happens while you hang out and have a great time chatting with your friends or family, hopefully, further reinforcing the positive feelings associated with eating. Fast food or frozen meals and other low/no prep food, while often extremely calorie dense, is easy and quick to chew and swallow, unlike a plate half full of veggies or solid meats etc. This is important, because it takes 15 minutes or so before your stomach tells your brain that you are satiated. That's why you have seconds at Thanksgiving and then regret it 20 minutes later. So even if you're eating alone and making your own food, you can still overeat without meaning to unless you consciously burn time while you eat if you don't have the habits and portion sizes down. Then there's even simpler stuff like the difference between a single slice of white or "wheat" (molasses!) "bread" having 150+ calories and no real fiber, while another bread may be 50 calories and a fuckton of fiber per slice. The lovely one is cheaper, melts in your mouth like the fluff it is and is sweet, all things which are attractive to your brain for various reasons. Both breads are in the same aisle in the store and you're lucky if the good choices share the same prime shelf real-estate as the bad ones and you have to examine the nutrition labels to even know what the gently caress you're looking at. I don't really understand people that find it hard to grasp the idea that a lot of people have difficulty monitoring their food intake. People have lovely situational awareness at the best of times, so vigilance isn't a natural or easy thing. Unless you've had the right habits instilled into you early, you're trying to establish habits later in life while everything else (including your own body/brain) is doing its level best to erode or dissuade those habits. TL;DR Fat people are lazy
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Sep 2, 2016 14:54
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Azuth0667 posted:Because they gently caress with your overall metabolism in several ways. please explain how anything can gently caress with your overall metabolism in several ways so that the net result of you eating 1500 calories and burning 2000 every day for a month is a gain/no shift in body weight. Its loving with the law of conservation of energy for one. The only thing stopping fat people from getting skinny is their inability to truthfully, and accurately, count their calories and the western contemporary mindset that life shouldn't be hard or uncomfortable. You enjoyed gorging yourself, so now you have to not enjoy undoing that damage.
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Sep 2, 2016 14:55
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Blitter posted:Because it *is* easy to start by honestly looking at your diet and health by counting calories and activity. so easy that obesity isn't even really an issue oh, except in the real world where two thirds of the US population is overweight
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Sep 2, 2016 14:55
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I love going to the gym and flexing in front of the fatties. Not to brag but im pretty ripped, usually around 20 seconds of showing the guns is enough to make a fatty cry.
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Sep 2, 2016 14:57
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Rakosi posted:You enjoyed gorging yourself, so now you have to not enjoy undoing that damage. Every moment of pleasure in this world must be purchased with an equal moment of pain. Fatties are in major debt.
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Sep 2, 2016 14:58
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runupon cracker posted:so easy that obesity isn't even really an issue You seem to think that if a lot of people can't/refuse to do something it must be too hard. There is another possible explanation for this effect; a lot of people are lazy/unwilling and westerners are gradually devolving their ability to cope with even the smallest discomforts or inconveniences.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:00
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If ISIS held your family hostage and threatened to burn them alive if you didn't shed some of your massive infidel bulk I'm pretty sure all of a sudden your hypothyroid would stop being a factor lol
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Sep 2, 2016 15:01
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Rakosi posted:please explain how anything can gently caress with your overall metabolism in several ways so that the net result of you eating 1500 calories and burning 2000 every day for a month is a gain/no shift in body weight. Its loving with the law of conservation of energy for one. Okay because it seems goons are dumb about this and want to quote thermodynamics without understanding it I'll start with some Socratic questioning. What determines net caloric change per day?
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Sep 2, 2016 15:02
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WRT to exercise: People who were fit before and still have underlying muscle and skill can get back into it without too much difficulty, gradually losing fat as they lift more and put up better lap times. I honestly don't know how to help people who were never active. I can't imagine doing 10lb curbs or getting gassed after 500m, but I suppose everybody starts somewhere. I think most people can reasonably do a plan like this without too much trouble: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/job-emploi/bso-asf/pare-tape-eng.html Those with a dad-bod who really want to see what they're made of should try this: http://breakingmuscle.com/tactical-fitness/phase-1-special-forces-prep-structural-balance-strength-aerobic-base Of course there's only one proven way to turn layabout unmotivated fatbodies into high performers... 
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Sep 2, 2016 15:05
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Rakosi posted:You seem to think that if a lot of people can't/refuse to do something it must be too hard. "not easy" != "too hard"
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Sep 2, 2016 15:05
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runupon cracker posted:so easy that obesity isn't even really an issue Yeah, and I chalk that up to the kind of learned helplessness you illustrate and the pathetic hugbox bullshit excuses that somehow preclude the ability to learn and change. These are excuses, not reasons. The idea that life should be uninterrupted pleasure and ease, is very much an American ideal, which I think is a mindset that really plays into obesity. Life is actually suffering (in part..), and you are just trading that suffering (not going out all the time, not indulging, etc) down the line, to your early, unpleasant demise.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:06
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Rakosi posted:If ISIS held your family hostage and threatened to burn them alive if you didn't shed some of your massive infidel bulk I'm pretty sure all of a sudden your hypothyroid would stop being a factor lol What is this, some sort of intifatda?
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Sep 2, 2016 15:07
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Rakosi posted:You seem to think that if a lot of people can't/refuse to do something it must be too hard. Nietzsche is the light.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:08
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Azuth0667 posted:. If you are a fat piece of poo poo, your net caloric change is a positive number, and you should eat less?
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Sep 2, 2016 15:09
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Blitter posted:Yeah, and I chalk that up to the kind of learned helplessness you illustrate and the pathetic hugbox bullshit excuses that somehow preclude the ability to learn and change. I don't disagree with anything you've said here. People can and do lose weight. I've done it. Literally anybody *can* lose weight. There is a clear path. All I'm saying, all I've ever said, is that it's not easy. But somehow that's "learned helplessness" on my part? Yeesh.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:10
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Azuth0667 posted:Okay because it seems goons are dumb about this and want to quote thermodynamics without understanding it I'll start with some Socratic questioning. I believe it was Crassus of Lipidelphi who reasoned that mischievous house-gods were to blame for corpulence. They snuck small pieces of the flesh of the hydra into the stews of the afflicted. The constant digestion of this ever-renewing flesh both over-nourished the victim and caused an imbalance of humours, accounting for their severe lassitude.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:16
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Struggle makes you stronger. Discomfort makes you more resilient. Pain increases your endurance. The love fat people have for comfort, more than anything is what makes them unlikable IMO.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:17
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runupon cracker posted:I don't disagree with anything you've said here. People can and do lose weight. I've done it. Literally anybody *can* lose weight. There is a clear path. It is more that the path that leads to morbid obesity (a path you may or may not have been on) often includes that kind of learned helplessness, and an increasing amount of cognitive dissonance. I have a friend that works in healthcare, and people will still talk about how they are on a diet, compliant to their diabetes treatment and are actually in pretty good shape, all while bedridden and getting prepped to have their foot amputated. It really is pretty hosed up, because life is absolutely miserable for those people, tho they don't generally suffer much longer.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:23
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Blitter posted:If you are a fat piece of poo poo, your net caloric change is a positive number, and you should eat less? Okay that's a start now what's the difference between a cold blooded organism and a warm blooded organism?
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Sep 2, 2016 15:25
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Frosted Flake posted:Struggle makes you stronger. Discomfort makes you more resilient. Pain increases your endurance. hey i mean who doesn't love comfort, y'know? fight hard to win yourself an idyllic life
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Sep 2, 2016 15:29
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Glad to see Runupon Cracker is still the fat peoples equivalent of the Chinese Ministry of Public Policy "You have hurt the feelings of the fat people! You will regret this!"
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Sep 2, 2016 15:31
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runupon cracker posted:I don't disagree with anything you've said here. People can and do lose weight. I've done it. Literally anybody *can* lose weight. There is a clear path. Your lack of introspection and self-recrimination is probably a large (lol) part of why you got fat to begin with.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:32
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Rakosi posted:Your lack of introspection and self-recrimination is probably a large (lol) part of why you got fat to begin with. how do you think I lost weight?
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Sep 2, 2016 15:34
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runupon cracker posted:how do you think I lost weight? Apparently having just enough willpower to get by until eating habits became routine?
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Sep 2, 2016 15:35
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runupon cracker posted:yes, maintaining willpower over the course of several months is the easiest thing ever lmao I did it. Why can't you?
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Sep 2, 2016 15:45
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Frosted Flake posted:Apparently having just enough willpower to get by until eating habits became routine? you make that sound like a bad thing seriously wtf
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Sep 2, 2016 15:50
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I mean once you've gone full pot belly and man-boob dad bod, how does a person look at themselves in a mirror and think "Hmm. I'm already chubby. I'll go on another two years of binge eating to get REALLY fat". Oh, you mean they don't think that? They don't think? Not thinking = stupid. Stupid and fat.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:51
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A video where an ugly horrible person tells a fat person she wouldn't hire that person because she's fat. The fat person has applied to like 12 jobs in five years and complains that the fact she is obese shouldn't put employers off, despite probably being sick and slow a lot of the time. The pretty blond presenter is sitting there because she was hired for her looks but agrees with the fat person that people's appearances shouldnt affect how hireable they are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ARVUy43lOQ
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Sep 2, 2016 15:52
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vyst posted:I did it. Why can't you? its hard, so im not gonna bother
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Sep 2, 2016 15:53
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if we have to buy new office chairs because you cant fit intto the current ones i wouldnt hire you either
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Sep 2, 2016 15:55
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henpod posted:A video where an ugly horrible person tells a fat person she wouldn't hire that person because she's fat. The fat person has applied to like 12 jobs in five years and complains that the fact she is obese shouldn't put employers off, despite probably being sick and slow a lot of the time. The pretty blond presenter is sitting there because she was hired for her looks but agrees with the fat person that people's appearances shouldnt affect how hireable they are. Since when is 16.8 billion in revenue a small business?
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Sep 2, 2016 16:00
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Could it be because obese people take more sick days than normals ??
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We are not talking about getting in shape and running a marathon here, this is about obesity. Quitting obesity is very, very easy. Step 1: Next time you are buying soda, buy sugar free. They are right next to each other at supermarket. Step 2: No step two It's literally impossible to become a lard whale without a constant influx of carbonated sugar water into your body.
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waitwhatno posted:We are not talking about getting in shape and running a marathon here, this is about obesity. Quitting obesity is very, very easy. No alcohol either. No booze, no soda. EDIT: in fatspeech that means 0. Not a little bit at the weekend to treat you for a good week of dieting. 0. None. Ever. For any reason. That is what people mean when they say "Don't have anymore XXXXX". Rakosi fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Sep 2, 2016 |
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Sep 2, 2016 16:12
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Honest confession that will probably get me banned: I like Coke zero better than normal sugar Coke. Over here in free Europe we are still allowed to add aspartame to our soft drinks and it tastes so loving good. I don't even care about the cancer, it tastes so awesome. US goons are really missing out on life. First no walking and now also no aspartame. Hell on earth.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:24
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waitwhatno posted:We are not talking about getting in shape and running a marathon here, this is about obesity. Quitting obesity is very, very easy. it's not easy if you haven't worked a day in your life without outside supervision
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Sep 2, 2016 16:25
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Rakosi posted:No alcohol either. No booze, no soda. I definitely drink too much and a had an enormous reduction in calories when losing weight by having gin and diet tonic water if i was going out instead of beer. Also dont eat crisps (chips) because they don't satiate you at all and are really calorie dense. A piece of fruit might have the same calories but will actually make you less hungry so you eat less overall. And stop buying bread with sugar in wtf is that about?
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waitwhatno posted:Honest confession that will probably get me banned: I like Coke zero better than normal sugar Coke. Coke Zero for lyfe
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You shouldn't drink soda if you're an adult guys
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