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runupon cracker posted:so easy that obesity isn't even really an issue Your whole point seems to rest on the theory that if something is pervasive, it must be unavoidable or at least very difficult to avoid. I don't know why you think that but it's not true. Some things are pervasive because western society is indulgent and highly focused on immediate gratification and watching what you eat over a long period of time before you see a real payoff is just too much work for some people. Other people don't mind working hard for their goals.
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Instead of trying to lose weight, just try to gain muscle. Try to become as monstrous as humanly possible. Sure, your heart might still give out, but at least the heart attack will happen when you're deadlifting 600lbs instead of when you're taking a poo poo. Also, no soda. gently caress soda.
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HoboTech posted:Also, no soda. gently caress soda. word. this is the main thing fatties get wrong. "Oh one chocolate bar won't hurt" "Oh one glass of Coke won't hurt" 99% of weight loss is just completely and fully honest with yourself wrt how many calories you consumed today
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Sep 2, 2016 16:38
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Eat until you are satisfied (painfully full if that's what you prefer) anything under 700 calories per pound and you'll never be overweight. No hunger, exercise, or even abstaining from eating all junk is required as long as you keep that number low.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:41
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sledger posted:Eat until you are satisfied (painfully full if that's what you prefer) anything under 700 calories per pound and you'll never be overweight. Yeah the whole concept of calorie density (as opposed to just raw calorie content) was a game changer for me
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Sep 2, 2016 16:42
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Lol at 100% restriction diets. Haha no, you're not going to sell a plan to people that involves "never do this thing again ever." That will have the same success rate as alcoholics getting permanently sober regardless of method; low. Jesus, have a piece of cake once a month if you like cake. Don't pair it with two scoops of ice cream and don't have a giant piece that's actually three pieces if not more and we all know it, Susan.
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Pvt.Scott posted:Lol at 100% restriction diets. Haha no, you're not going to sell a plan to people that involves "never do this thing again ever." That will have the same success rate as alcoholics getting permanently sober regardless of method; low. *knows knowingly*
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I work with someone who is like 400lbs. I can hear them breath from across the office. The only things I see them eat are those breakfast sandwiches from Dunkin Donuts and candy. Recently they've been having knee and ankle trouble and had to go to the doctors. When they came back they made some comment like "...and everyone wants to blame everything on fat people!" and I immediately knew how the doctor's visit went. Ironically, they've already had the gastric bypass surgery. Surmise from all of this what you will.
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There was a 250 lbs lady at my previous job who was always complaining about her mysterious leg and back pain and I was like 
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I'm a moron and I probably don't have one iota more of willpower than a lard person. Lard person, if you are reading this, forget about that willpower bullshit. Buy sugar free soda, walk more, include more protein in your diet, prepare your own food, go shopping when you are in a good mood and don't buy crap(what you don't take home from the shop, you can't eat) That willpower bullshit has been debunked by neuroscience a long time ago. Your brain does what it does, the trick is not to fight it but to manipulate it into doing your bidding. People who pretend like they have willpower simply created and environment for themselves where they never have to use it, that's the whole trick.
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unpacked robinhood posted:There was a 250 lbs lady at my previous job who was always complaining about her mysterious leg and back pain and I was like The face sums it up perfectly. I would loving love to help this guy (got my PT certification recently), but a) it's not my place to say "hey you need to lose some weight" and b) I've dropped hints and suggestions about things like powerlifting before and he has no interest in even that (where appearance doesn't matter).Leading a horse to water, and all that.
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The Wizard of Poz posted:Your whole point seems to rest on the theory that if something is pervasive, it must be unavoidable or at least very difficult to avoid. I don't know why you think that but it's not true. Some things are pervasive because western society is indulgent and highly focused on immediate gratification and watching what you eat over a long period of time before you see a real payoff is just too much work for some people. Other people don't mind working hard for their goals. "working hard" you say
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The Wizard of Poz posted:Yeah the whole concept of calorie density (as opposed to just raw calorie content) was a game changer for me Same here. The best part of that chart is that potatoes are part of "all you can eat", despite the near-constant demonization potatoes get.
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quote:... more of them are getting sick with the diseases that usually kill older people [attributable to the leading causes of death—things like heart disease, diabetes, and respiratory disease]. And when they do get sick, they don’t get better. lol
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runupon cracker posted:Same here. The best part of that chart is that potatoes are part of "all you can eat", despite the near-constant demonization potatoes get. Sweet potatoes baller as gently caress.
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Sep 2, 2016 17:31
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runupon cracker posted:"working hard" you say Man, what the gently caress. Not killing yourself through gluttony is doing the bare loving minimum in life; fit people don't get a medal or expect one - it is just doing the necessary. If that is too much like hard hard work then I guess die? Aw, it's hard to die slowly too. A Bloo Bloo Bloo.
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Twice a day I stuff as much white rice into my belly as humanly possible and I've lost over 40 lbs
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8 track betamax posted:Twice a day I stuff as much white rice into my belly as humanly possible and I've lost over 40 lbs Switch to bacon so you can bulk, my man
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Honestly being willing to suffer and have mental discipline is more important than any particular diet and exercise. They key is to go without. Go without rest, go without satisfying cravings, go without the comfort you are used to.
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Frosted Flake posted:Honestly being willing to suffer and have mental discipline is more important than any particular diet and exercise. Says the man with over 900 posts in the wolrd of war craft forum
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don't post stalk its rude
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8 track betamax posted:Says the man with over 900 posts in the wolrd of war craft forum GiP?
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Sep 2, 2016 18:30
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is this the new fat is beautiful thread?
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gingrich posted:is this the new fat is beautiful thread? yes
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Being fat is generic
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ah good i can shitpost in here then
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if fat people spent as much energy working out as they do blaming other people and not taking responsibility they would be olympic level athletes in no time
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>when the desks are too small http://webm.land/media/mLmK.webm
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also start counting calories and overestimate by 5-10% the amount in food, and underestimate by 5-10% the amount you burn.
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If you are completely sedentary I can see you eating like a normal human being and still gaining fat but most likely fatties are just eating stupid. Like alot of pasta and rice and bread and soda and alcohol and sauces and fried poo poo or whatever. I'm not even gonna get into sweets
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Poetic Justice posted:also start counting calories and overestimate by 5-10% the amount in food, and underestimate by 5-10% the amount you burn. This is a good idea, particularly to avoid.. The New England Journal of Medicine posted:.. underreported their actual food intake by an average of 47% (+/- 16) and overreported their physical activity by 51% (+/- 75). Ah ha ha, I'm the person that overreported their activity by 126%. Amazing.
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Doesn't seem too unreasonable... just said they were active one quarter of an hour more than actual
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Barely a 30 minute difference
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I've been having to force myself to eat more so I can gain weight and get swole and it's actually really hard, I have no idea how fatties can eat like twice as much as me every day. My mom is fat too so clearly I have the privileged weight gain genetics.
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LordArgh posted:bullshit. the information has never been easier to find than now, what with the internet and all. people just aren't willing to do what it takes to actually accomplish weight loss/fitness and instead walk on a threadmill for 10 minutes and then reward themselves by eating more burgers because that takes the least amount of discomfort and they can still tell people they "excercise" The internet is a cesspool unless you have good sources or have a solid baseline of knowledge to detect bullshit. Lichy posted:corporations don't necessarily understand your body at all We're talking about billion dollar corporations, and you think the food they make is all accidental? Michael Moss posted:Over the last forty years, more than three hundred physiologists, chemists, neuroscientists, biologists, and geneticists have cycled through Monell to help decipher the mechanisms of taste and smell along with the complex psychology that underlies our love for food. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Sep 2, 2016 |
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KVeezy3 posted:The internet is a cesspool unless you have good sources or have a solid baseline of knowledge to detect bullshit. forty years is not a lot of time in biological science and thus yes, most big corporations right now did not get there through knowing how bodies work super well
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also lol if you think food scientists at Monell withhold their research from publication because evil Big Food bribes them into it
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Lichy posted:forty years is not a lot of time in biological science and thus yes, most big corporations right now did not get there through knowing how bodies work super well sooooo an industry that's spent 40 years and millions of dollars in food engineering know very little about the body and made the population literally balloon into comedic levels of obesity totally by accident, but some poor schlub at home with $3 in his bank account and a GED can master weight loss "easily" the mental gymnastics are breathtaking
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A huge part of the obesity problem is co-morbid mental illness, particularly depression. As you've all said, there's quite a difference (behaviorally speaking) between being 20 pounds overweight and 200 pounds overweight - it takes a peculiar pattern of thoughts and actions to get so incredibly overweight. I think that these people need to address and improve their mental state before expecting lasting weight loss (because willpower will get them through initial losses, but the mental impairments will often set them back to square one).Pvt.Scott posted:I believe it was Crassus of Lipidelphi who reasoned that mischievous house-gods were to blame for corpulence. They snuck small pieces of the flesh of the hydra into the stews of the afflicted. The constant digestion of this ever-renewing flesh both over-nourished the victim and caused an imbalance of humours, accounting for their severe lassitude. I love you, this is awesome.
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