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Which non-Power of the Daleks story would you like to see an episode found from?
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Marco Polo 36 20.69%
The Myth Makers 10 5.75%
The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 45 25.86%
The Savages 2 1.15%
The Smugglers 2 1.15%
The Highlanders 45 25.86%
The Macra Terror 21 12.07%
Fury from the Deep 13 7.47%
Total: 174 votes
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FreezingInferno
Jul 15, 2010

THERE.
WILL.
BE.
NO.
BATTLE.
HERE!

Jerusalem posted:

This one really suffers from being able to watch it all in one go. I'm sure the constant taking and retaking of the prison probably was masked a bit better by having to wait a week between episodes.

I've been watching the Pertwee era once a week as a little "original pacing" experiment since January and last week I just finished up The Mind Of Evil. I still dig it. Not one of my favorite Pertwees but it isn't total garbage either. I remember picking up the DVD blind three years ago and being impressed with the premise. A machine that kills people by making them live out their worst fears? Rad!

Watching it this time and sitting on the cliffhangers for a week is when I realized that half of them are basically the same; the machine attacking Pertwee with fear and going BWEEOO BWEOOO while Pertwee makes funny faces.

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After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Fil5000 posted:

Just saw that Jean Marsh was Mombi in Return to Oz.

Nope. Nope nope nope. Noooooooope.

But also the former Mrs. Jon Pertwee!

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

jivjov posted:

Oh I'm familiar with the old broadcast strategy. I just figured that if they were going to bring back a literal one-serial companion, there would be some manner of narrative space for her to fit into.

This is the same Big Finish that set an entire audio between two episodes that flowed directly into each other by having the entire thing take place during the cliffhanger. They can squeeze a story in anywhere.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Chairman Mao posted:

This is the same Big Finish that set an entire audio between two episodes that flowed directly into each other by having the entire thing take place during the cliffhanger. They can squeeze a story in anywhere.

Haha, what story is that one? That sounds hilarious.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Chairman Mao posted:

This is the same Big Finish that set an entire audio between two episodes that flowed directly into each other by having the entire thing take place during the cliffhanger. They can squeeze a story in anywhere.

I can top that. Hope about an entire story that takes place in the middle of a single part story?

The Five Companions. When the Doctor uses the Master's recall device to escape the Cybermen, before ending up on Gallifrey, he materializes on a Space Station and meets Ian, Steven, Sara Kingdom, Polly, & Nyssa while battling Daleks, Sontarans, and a Dinosaur.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
Oh Big Finish....never change.

It weirds me out a bit that I've listened to far more stuff from the Classic Doctors than I've ever watched...but now I'm so used to listening that watching seems odd by comparison

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica
I picked up the rest of the Hartnell-era CCs I didn't have from that sale and decided I should probably finally go back to listen/watch through Daleks' Master Plan before I get up to the Sara Kingdom stuff and I think the Daleks sitting there staring at the experiment mice being all "SMALL WHITE CREA-TURES, COULD BE HOS-TILE" is my new favourite Dalek thing.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Box of Bunnies posted:

I picked up the rest of the Hartnell-era CCs I didn't have from that sale and decided I should probably finally go back to listen/watch through Daleks' Master Plan before I get up to the Sara Kingdom stuff and I think the Daleks sitting there staring at the experiment mice being all "SMALL WHITE CREA-TURES, COULD BE HOS-TILE" is my new favourite Dalek thing.

Have you seen The Chase? There's a bit where the Daleks land on the Mary Celeste and are rolling around almost begging the terrified sailors to stop running away so they can please ask them some questions, as well as a bit where they run into some funhouse monsters (actually robots) and end up running away while insisting they're totally not scared at all, seriously! :3:

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

Jerusalem posted:

Have you seen The Chase? There's a bit where the Daleks land on the Mary Celeste and are rolling around almost begging the terrified sailors to stop running away so they can please ask them some questions, as well as a bit where they run into some funhouse monsters (actually robots) and end up running away while insisting they're totally not scared at all, seriously! :3:

Hahaha, yes! I love the Frankenstein's Monster robot bodyslamming a Dalek.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Box of Bunnies posted:

Hahaha, yes! I love the Frankenstein's Monster robot bodyslamming a Dalek.

Among Matt Smith's finest moments on the show :shobon:

http://i.imgur.com/8nku0w6.gifv

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Sep 3, 2016

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

So uh, when did US Spotify (not sure about other regions) start carrying what looks like most of Big Finish's Who ranges? Looked through the last few pages but either missed it's mention (apologies if so!), or any news announcing it.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

Sup players.

What's up with the Doctors that are Who.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Toxxupation posted:

Sup players.

What's up with the Doctors that are Who.

They're older and fatter but fortunately also busier than ever!

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Jerusalem posted:

They're older and fatter but fortunately also busier than ever!

He asked about the Doctors, not thread posters

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

MrL_JaKiri posted:

He asked about the Doctors, not thread posters

I should have also mentioned they were happy, satisfied and internationally beloved, that way there would have been no confusion!

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Jerusalem posted:

I should have also mentioned they were happy, satisfied and internationally beloved, that way there would have been no confusion!

Stop, you're making me blush

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

What about the current Doctor Who is Who, how's he doing? Have we heard any new news about the upcoming garbage fire masquerading as a television season we passengers on this voyage of the damned will willingly subject ourselves to?

NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Sep 4, 2016

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I don't know if there has been anything new in the spoiler thread, but the last I heard it was still set to be the Christmas special this year with the new companion, then one last season under Moffat before Chibnall takes over in 2018. As far as I know Capaldi is sticking around for the foreseeable future.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



Short Synopsis: A Hero, a Witch, a Conman and a Broken Umbrella-Bird walk into a bubble-dimension of non-reality... stop me if you've heard this one before.

Long Synopsis: The Doctor attempts to retrace new companion Thomas Brewster's disastrous journeys through time/space after finally reuniting with his TARDIS. For his troubles he finds himself marooned on a desolate "time reef", his TARDIS reduced to a singularity and the other wrecked inhabitants convinced that "the Doctor" is responsible for their plight.

What's Good:
  • The concepts. Predating The Doctor's Wife by about 3 years, this story by Marc Platt features some amusing similarities to Neil Gaiman's - the Doctor and his male and female companions end up in a pocket/bubble reality outside of normal time/space, his TARDIS is "killed", a mad woman is living in a bottle insisting she is the Doctor's wife, lunatic shipwreck survivors are surviving on whatever they can salvage, and there is a dark and mysterious entity lurking on the fringes and even seems to be hunting the companions at one point. These similarities are all surface level of course, but it's always welcome when Big Finish actually makes use of their audio format to do something weird and outside of the box. This includes the "umbrella-birds", giant rooks (Ruhk) that exist outside of time dragged into the "reef" and wrecked by suddenly being subject to the already unstable flow of time in the space. Or the barely touched upon society of the "sailors", a race that is simultaneously interplanetary while also being very much trapped in the romantic image of 18th Century military figures - their commander is the official "hero" of their voyage, cursed with eternal life by a soothsayer since a glorious death on the battlefield is his greatest wish. Or the bizarre Lady Vuyok, the sacrifice of some other mysterious race who was blasted into their sun to be the "wife" of one of their deities, only to be sidelined into the Time Reef and now obsessed both with maintaining her class distance and finally meeting her husband. There are even elements of Silence in the Library/The Forest of the Dead (which only barely predates this story, and they were probably written at roughly the same time) with the dead apprentice hero who circles the Time Reef trapped in the final moment before his demise, cheerfully waving hello to everybody he passes with no idea that he died days earlier. This is a story chock-a-block with really interesting ideas and themes and it presents them all in a way where they just seem kind of natural, nothing feels particularly forced - the weirdness feels right.

What's Not:

  • Thomas Brewster. Unfortunately for the above, Brewster's character hangs like a millstone around the neck of the story. It's nothing against John Pickard, but the character as written is just extremely frustrating. The idea was to go Adric "but right", getting to grips with the original "Artful Dodger" intention for Adric. The trouble is that Brewster just completely lacks both the charm and the gift for the gab that would offset or mollify the recklessly stupid, selfish and self-destructive things he does. So in the end it all feels like retreading familiar ground, as just like Adric Brewster is constantly loving things up for the Doctor and Nyssa, making bad situations worse, openly lying to them, only ever telling the truth when trapped into it by circumstances of his own making. Without charm or an ability to talk his way out of these situations, it feels extremely unnatural that the Doctor's attitude is mostly mild irritation and even more weird that Nyssa is constantly defending him for absolutely no reason beyond it says in the script that this is what the character does. Brewster almost constantly fucks things up for everybody else by pursuing short-sighted and reckless schemes for his own benefit, then clams up when questioned or tries to change the subject until enough time has passed that the other characters just move on and then he does something just as stupid. Even in this story when he basically curses multiple people to being marooned in the Time Reef (which includes at least one death) he never really faces any comeuppance for it. In fact, the whole thing kind of gets treated with a,"Awww shucks" kind of shrug, with a lame explanation given that he had a bit of a thing for Lady Vuyok as if that in any way excuses his actions. Brewster also looms large over the story, and though efforts are made to keep up the Doctor and Nyssa's parts (somewhat successfully for the Doctor, far less so for Nyssa) the fact it's a three episode story means nothing really gets a chance to really stretch its legs. The fourth part of the story - A Perfect World - repeats these same issues, though at least in that case the fault is only technically Brewster's.

  • Cosmic plumbers. Happily, A Perfect World wraps up Thomas Brewster's time as a companion - but it does so in a rather unsatisfying way that also gives him a particularly unearned (and rather nonsensical) happy ending. Telling the story of a young woman whose life is falling apart until a chance encounter with Brewster, the world then becomes disturbingly perfect. The reason why is a bit of techno-babble time-stream nonsense that basically boils down to the idea of cosmic plumbers. Just where this obsession in sci-fi (is it only a British thing?) with working class "characters" cheerfully doing the universe's maintenance work comes from I don't know, but it's something I more often than not find eye-rollingly bad (I seem to recall Douglas Adams did it well, maybe everybody is just trying to poorly imitate him?). Two "on-call" blokes accidentally pick up Brewster and Connie's conversation and take their reference to a perfect world to be a maintenance request, and proceed to cosmically make everything on Earth "perfect". The whole thing just doesn't sit right with me, the humor/twist is obviously meant to be in the godlike powers being manifested in the form of a couple of likely lads but to me it actually makes the universe seem smaller, almost squalid. Sometimes Doctor Who gets mighty cosmic beings right (the Eternals for one, and - apart from the very disturbing racism - the Celestial Toymaker was a great concept) but it is very easy to screw up, and they do so here.

Final Thoughts:

Time Reef is an interesting concept with cool ideas hobbled by a character who just serves to frustrate the listener (or at least, me). Brewster's - supposedly intentional - short time as a companion meant there was no chance to actually see any depth to the character, and the lack of charm or verbal dexterity meant he was never able to successfully offset or explain the recklessly stupid and selfish things he did. The Doctor and Nyssa's willingness to overlook or excuse his behavior (Nyssa moreso than the Doctor) felt more like an artificial construction of the script than a natural extension of their characters/history, and so in the end with his time done my overall impression was,"That felt like an irritating waste of time." The story itself is also too compact, three episodes doesn't give it all the time it needs to breathe, and also means the one episode epilogue doesn't have a chance to sell the relationship between Brewster and Connie as genuine or even particularly believable. Overall, this is a story that's worth it for the ideas and imagery it evokes but not for what it actually does with any of it - all I could think was what could have been, the characters of Gammades and Vuyoki and their interplay could have made for a fascinating four-parter by themselves, but here they're sidelined or quickly discarded for less interesting material that doesn't really go anywhere.

Attitude Indicator
Apr 3, 2009

Crusader posted:

So uh, when did US Spotify (not sure about other regions) start carrying what looks like most of Big Finish's Who ranges? Looked through the last few pages but either missed it's mention (apologies if so!), or any news announcing it.

if they have this in my region, i might actually try listening to an audio story once in my life.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Jerusalem posted:

I don't know if there has been anything new in the spoiler thread, but the last I heard it was still set to be the Christmas special this year with the new companion, then one last season under Moffat before Chibnall takes over in 2018. As far as I know Capaldi is sticking around for the foreseeable future.

Wait, we're getting a 2016 Xmas special? I thought we weren't getting anything until Season 10 in late 2017?

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

Jerusalem posted:

I don't know if there has been anything new in the spoiler thread, but the last I heard it was still set to be the Christmas special this year with the new companion, then one last season under Moffat before Chibnall takes over in 2018. As far as I know Capaldi is sticking around for the foreseeable future.

Literally all that's happened in the spoiler thread is a leaked episode title.

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Wait, we're getting a 2016 Xmas special? I thought we weren't getting anything until Season 10 in late 2017?

Christmas Special this year, Moffats final season in early 2017. Chibnalls first probably late 2017.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Wait, we're getting a 2016 Xmas special? I thought we weren't getting anything until Season 10 in late 2017?

If Moffat told the BBC they couldn't have their Christmas Special this year they'd have beaten him to death with Noel Edmonds' cryo-tube.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Season 10's delay may be in part to S9's ratings having taken a big hit in the fall. So they were given some extra time so that s10 would be earlier next year and hopefully not do as bad.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Maxwell Lord posted:

Season 10's delay may be in part to S9's ratings having taken a big hit in the fall. So they were given some extra time so that s10 would be earlier next year and hopefully not do as bad.

Or -- as was the case with the split season seven -- it's because the previous season went massively over budget, necessitating the BBC to pull various shenanigans to keep the show on television.

I'm looking forward to the inevitable tell all book about this era: Moffat's Who has gone through more Producers than Hogwarts went through Defense Against Dark Arts professors.

At least we're getting Class this year, which I'm actually very excited for.

BSam
Nov 24, 2012

OH NO THEY STOLE ANOTHER SEASON OFF OF ME!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

BSam posted:

OH NO THEY STOLE ANOTHER SEASON OFF OF ME!

Calm down, Ian.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Fil5000 posted:

Calm down, Ian.

No, that would be "Goddamnit Doctor, why does it always have to be my poo poo you melt when you want see if a mysterious liquid is acid?"

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



After The War posted:

No, that would be "Goddamnit Doctor, why does it always have to be my poo poo you melt when you want see if a mysterious liquid is acid?"

Looks like someone hasn't heard of Ian Levine. I wish that it could be me.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Davros1 posted:

Looks like someone hasn't heard of Ian Levine. I wish that it could be me.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Forktoss! Draw more comics!

FreezingInferno
Jul 15, 2010

THERE.
WILL.
BE.
NO.
BATTLE.
HERE!

"EXPLAIN UNIT DATING" makes me laugh every time I read it.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
Listened to the first episode of UNIT: Dominion last night. Proceeded to also listen to episodes 2-4 of UNIT: Dominion because UNIT: Dominion was awesome. I walked in knowing that Alex Macqueen is the Master, because ironically enough his debut appearance is the only Macqueen-Master story I hadn't already listened to., but even so, having the Other Doctor running around sassing everyone was brilliant. The whole "Dimensioneer" concept struck me as odd, and I think I would have preferred if Briggs had stuck to the other writer's plan of leaving it mysterious and unexplained. It just feels like every time they need a "strange technology that's incredibly overpowered but we're only going to use once" they just go with 'it was old Time Lord tech'.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

STARBURST MAGAZINE

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I've always been a big fan of,"Pip pip! .....and Jane!"

And yeah, UNIT: Dominion was really drat good, even knowing the "twist" doesn't take away from the impact it has when you get that,".....hello you :allears:"

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
So I've decided that since I went and bought every single Companion Chronicle, I should just work my way through them in order. I'm impressed at how much better Peter Purves' impression of Hartnell has gotten over time. He sounds like Generic Old Man in Mother Russia.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


That's the way I listen to them. I try to follow arcs, so I listen to every Steven/Vicki/1 audio, or all the Jamie/2/whoever audios, Leela/TBakes, Ace/Hex/7, etc. And I mix it up so I'll do one of one Doctor, then a different one. Over the years I've listened to a lot of those arcs, but now there's still all kinds of new stuff like Jago and Litefoot, 10, 3, War, etc.

There's like a 10x more Doctor Who stories than there was when I was a kid, it's pretty amazing.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

What's the best example of whoever it is doing Hartnell that someone could listen to before buying an audio? Any of the ideally more recent trailers have a lot of him in them?

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MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Astroman posted:

There's like a 10x more Doctor Who stories than there was when I was a kid, it's pretty amazing.

And nearly 10% more good ones :v:

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