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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I actually did some research on this a little while ago. Nazi Germany instituted very heavy-handed censorship restrictions on the German film industry and nationalized the whole thing a couple of years before World War II started. Under Nazi censorship, the movies that weren't directly aggrandizing fascism were basically empty fluff that said nothing and challenged nothing. Meanwhile, all the good directors, actors, and other filmmakers (not just the Jewish ones, either) had fled to England or the United States. I generally dislike the idea of categorizing people we historically fought against as being uncultured. They had a different culture, to be sure, but they still very much had art and culture. We today think of the art the Nazis rejected as the "good" art but that's a definition that's partly built around our opposition to--nevermind, not what the thread is about.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm not trying to come across as WSJ level rear end in a top hat, but the economy still hasn't fully recovered from 08. Oh, hey, we actually have a way of measuring this, it's called the underemployment rate, and it's dropped a lot recently, so maybe all of your anecdotal personal experience isn't representative of the entire country? 
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm not trying to come across as WSJ level rear end in a top hat, but the economy still hasn't fully recovered from 08. I was responding to the people questioning some "94 million" number that Rush or someone else was bandying about. I definitely do not believe that the economy is fully recovered; and no doubt whatsoever that inequality is an enormous problem, perhaps even worse than it was before the recession.
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WampaLord posted:Oh, hey, we actually have a way of measuring this, it's called the underemployment rate, and it's dropped a lot recently, so maybe all of your anecdotal personal experience isn't representative of the entire country?  better but not pre 2008 better
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Pirate Radar posted:I generally dislike the idea of categorizing people we historically fought against as being uncultured. They had a different culture, to be sure, but they still very much had art and culture. Well, I'm not talking about the German people's capacity for culture and expression. I'm talking about government permission, and the fact that Goebbels actively said the only good art was either patriotic or pleasant pap that placates the masses. It was that kind of attitude that drove the Germans, Austrians, and Hungarians capable of artistic expression to the United States, where they would become some of our most celebrated actors and directors. Berlin could have been Europe's Hollywood if it weren't for Nazi censorship. And honestly I think this is kind of relevant, because some conservatives still celebrate Anthony loving Comstock and the GOP considers pornography a "public health crisis." It's the same sort of urge to control and limit access to supposedly sinful and dissenting opinions.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Well, I'm not talking about the German people's capacity for culture and expression. I'm talking about government permission, and the fact that Goebbels actively said the only good art was either patriotic or pleasant pap that placates the masses. It was that kind of attitude that drove the Germans, Austrians, and Hungarians capable of artistic expression to the United States, where they would become some of our most celebrated actors and directors. Berlin could have been Europe's Hollywood if it weren't for Nazi censorship. Good post. It is relevant, because there is still that urge to control art and opinion all over the world as well as here in the U.S. Basically, the fact that the nazis enjoyed art is completely irrelevant. They were laboring under a certain system of ideas, and sure, the art promoted by the system and therefore by its parts was a reflection of itself. That says absolutely nothing about art's power to inspire, heal, transform, etc.
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WampaLord posted:Oh, hey, we actually have a way of measuring this, it's called the underemployment rate, and it's dropped a lot recently, so maybe all of your anecdotal personal experience isn't representative of the entire country? This is part of the data, yes. But it doesn't measure the number of people who left the workforce and no longer show as unemployed, or (most importantly), if those people lost jobs like engineer and small business owner but left the jobless rolls by getting jobs like short order cook/nanny and such, which do help them get their heads above water again but hardly mean that the economy, and people's prosperity, are all that healthy. That may be the case, mind. I just haven't seen the data yet.
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Sephyr posted:or (most importantly), if those people lost jobs like engineer and small business owner but left the jobless rolls by getting jobs like short order cook/nanny and such, which do help them get their heads above water again but hardly mean that the economy, and people's prosperity, are all that healthy. Isn't that exactly what the underemployment rate is meant to show?
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Can a campaign or super PAC buy their candidate's book to give away? Seems like a way to straight up money launder. Your cut wouldn't be huge, but you'd still be making money.
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deoju posted:Can a campaign or super PAC buy their candidate's book to give away? Seems like a way to straight up money launder. Your cut wouldn't be huge, but you'd still be making money. Super PACs can I think but getting royalties by buying your own books with campaign funds is straight up illegal. Not that the FEC would ever do anything about it, but you could theoretically get in a lot of trouble for it.
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Good Citizen posted:Super PACs can I think but getting royalties by buying your own books with campaign funds is straight up illegal. Not that the FEC would ever do anything about it, but you could theoretically get in a lot of trouble for it. Didn't Trump already do this?
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Zerilan posted:Didn't Trump already do this? Yep. They spent $55k of campaign funds buying his own book to give out at the convention. His campaign and the publisher were asked if he was receiving royalties for the purchase and they 'no comment'ed their way through it. The FEC won't do poo poo while he still has any kind of political power, though
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Bel Shazar posted:Isn't that exactly what the underemployment rate is meant to show? I think underemployment is just based on hours not skill. That would be difficult if not impossible to track.
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TildeATH posted:I think underemployment is just based on hours not skill. That would be difficult if not impossible to track. How many part-time high skill jobs are there?
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I actually did some research on this a little while ago. Nazi Germany instituted very heavy-handed censorship restrictions on the German film industry and nationalized the whole thing a couple of years before World War II started. Under Nazi censorship, the movies that weren't directly aggrandizing fascism were basically empty fluff that said nothing and challenged nothing. Meanwhile, all the good directors, actors, and other filmmakers (not just the Jewish ones, either) had fled to England or the United States. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUB6fheJjxw This is pretty emblematic of the stuff the non-propaganda films that late-war Germany was churning out. A MPDG romantic comedy. Keep in mind this was released after the Nazi's were getting rolled out of the USSR and Berlin had been bombed by the UK. Writing was on the wall at this point, so everything kind of has this shrill fake upbeat attitude.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm not trying to come across as WSJ level rear end in a top hat, but the economy still hasn't fully recovered from 08. So if anyone were to complain and I said, well you know the new jobs numbers just came out for August and we created another 151K jobs, in a record 78 straight months of private-sector job creation they will immediately jump to, "YES BUT THE JOBS SUCK AND DON'T PAY (because health care and taxes and socialism!!!)" And if I counter that the destruction of full-time work, a decent wage, and benefits started decades ago, and what do you expect a POTUS to do about it if they can't get a simple jobs or infrastructure bill considered in the Congress, whose fault is that then? It's always Obama's fault. Racism, terrorism, corporate greed, ISIS, the Iraq War, 9/11, government shutdown, it rained/didn't rain today. Thanks, Nobama!!! Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Sep 2, 2016 |
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Well, I'm not talking about the German people's capacity for culture and expression. I'm talking about government permission, and the fact that Goebbels actively said the only good art was either patriotic or pleasant pap that placates the masses. It was that kind of attitude that drove the Germans, Austrians, and Hungarians capable of artistic expression to the United States, where they would become some of our most celebrated actors and directors. Berlin could have been Europe's Hollywood if it weren't for Nazi censorship. Exactly. We have to remember that we distinguish between the people and government/ideology. The German people of the era had cultural appreciation, but the Nazi government really did not. Why would they? Art and culture can make the populace get ideas and that's one thing totalitarians hate above all else.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Scott Adams' opinions on women, you say? I think the funniest part of this is imagining Donald Trump does his own shopping.
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WampaLord posted:How many part-time high skill jobs are there?
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Gail Wynand posted:Anything you can do on a contract basis. If you only want 20 hours/wk of business, you take that much in clients and no more. Yeah, part-time IT contracts are a thing. 
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Geostomp posted:Exactly. We have to remember that we distinguish between the people and government/ideology. The German people of the era had cultural appreciation, but the Nazi government really did not. Why would they? Art and culture can make the populace get ideas and that's one thing totalitarians hate above all else. There are some really haunting Nazi war paintings, and Erich Mercker was very good for landscapes. And it's been a bit of a problem for German museums because they'll display these excellent paintings they had stashed in their vault, only later finding out they're from Nazi artists. Obviously, you must not whitewash history. But it's unsettling to grapple with the idea of "good art" and "Nazi" in the same sentence. But they were compatible. At times. And within parameters.
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Wikkheiser posted:There was artistic expression within narrowly defined parameters. So yes, Nazi art could not challenge the Nazi system. But Nazi art could show empathy and compassion, and be affecting and reflect real human emotions, provided that positive emotions were directed only toward those narrowly defined as "German." I guess my point is that good art happens in spite of (and sometimes to spite) censorship rather than because of censorship. Allied nations had less censorship, ergo they had more room to create and appreciate good art. That doesn't make Nazi-era art less good, but it does mean there's less of it.
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WampaLord posted:How many part-time high skill jobs are there? When the formulation was "People with degrees working at Lowes" the job could be full-time but underutilizing the skills/education of the worker. That's what I thought the poster meant, at least.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Employment is up, but it's not for full time, legit jobs I would imagine. This. Also, a lot of people my age and field are in some sort of half way being employed situation. Like, I work full time at a few places but only to fill in for people on leave, so I work there for 2 or 3 weeks and then like another week 2 months later if i can. I freelance a lot and also do do some consulting and contract work. My taxes are gonna be a mess this year, especially since I got divorced in June. It's a loving buyers market though and pay and benefits even for the same work I've always done is like 25% less than I made even 10 years ago. EDIT: On the subject of book buying vis a vis conservative vs. liberal, I don't know. I see a poo poo ton of Michael Moore, Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart books in bargain bins and garage sales. poo poo. I just posted two anecdotal things as evidence of reality. I'm slipping here. EDIT 2: To again try to rerail the thread, whoever the guy was that's filling on for Limbaugh this week not only off handedly stated that the next Supreme Court nominee would be left to the NEXT President (a baffling subject on its own since there IS a nominee RIGHT NOW) but seriously suggested that Ted Cruz would be perfect for the spot and that Sam Alito was "one of the greats". BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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so I just heard Lars Larson- who I am assuming is a Right Wing Radio host because I live in Louisiana and he has 'First Ammendment Fridays'- say these two things; Hillary Clinton has been confirmed as having both a blood clot in her brain and a severe concussion, and that she has admitted she has been so impaired by those she couldn't listen to or remember all the State Department meetings and could only work a few hours If the Aurora Shooting Victims who sued the theater don't accept the settlement, then they should have to pay back the theater chain $750,000 in court costs.
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BiggerBoat posted:EDIT: On the subject of book buying vis a vis conservative vs. liberal, I don't know. I see a poo poo ton of Michael Moore, Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart books in bargain bins and garage sales.
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What about a religious fiction author? The Church of Scientology famously bought Hubbard's "Mission Earth" books en masse. Supposedly, they even sent them right on back to the retailers.
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It's kind of chilling talking to people in super markets and hearing them whine about Trump and how Zodiac Killer should have won in September. They were, of course, a cashier talking to her pastor, so it's kind of funny watching the old Moral Majority crowd lament how easily Conservatism tossed them to the side, but they're mostly disappointed they couldn't pull loving Zodiac Killer instead of Trump. They could see through the more obvious con, but pine for Cruz. I'm glad I didn't think of asking them if Pence made anything better for them, because they had the grasp of reality to hopefully see him as a nothing.
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Way to go ABC, giving this douchebag even more exposure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkrY6Ny7pMg
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https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/771776623901282304quote:NO. 1: NOBODY ACTUALLY LIKES IT Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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beatlegs posted:Way to go ABC, giving this douchebag even more exposure. I take comfort in the fact that in ten years (if he's even still alive), Milo will be what Ann Coulter is today and what Pat Buchanan was ten years ago and that all his ironic racist 13 year old fans will be be unemployable when it comes time for them to venture out into the real world and answer for their long rap sheet of social media garbage on job interviews.
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He's getting so much angrier these days now that conservatives aren't bothering to pay lip service to moral crusaders anymore.
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Does anyone really walk away from a stroll thinking they did something meaningful, Matt? Everyone wants to fulfill holes in life, and sometimes that's literal filling of particular holes. You're fighting against harmless biology and natural urges. Whatever truth exists only in your head doesn't matter, because porn, erotica and the methods to create it have and always will exist so long as any form of sexuality is in any human. Can it be a waste of life? Sure, everything can potentially be wasting what little time or relevancy any of us have left, like this morality play you shat out. You could have painted a picture, kissed your wife, loved your family; but instead, you chose to masturbate with a keyboard and jizzed out another pointless article. Does it feel dirty, Matt? Does it feel good to do something so fruitless and bad, day in and day out? Well that's your filthy masturbatory need cumming out another grotesque silky residue onto the internet to cocoon yourself from your own meaningless existence. A guilty pleasure you'll no doubt be doing again soon.
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An "evening" of porn consumption? I think Matt has a problem.
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Jack Gladney posted:An "evening" of porn consumption? I think Matt has a problem. Either that, or incredible stamina 
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Or maybe he has closet problems. Spotty wifi in there.
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So is porn going to be the new evangelical flash issue after staggering defeats at the hands of the homosexual and trans agenda back to back?
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Epic High Five posted:So is porn going to be the new evangelical flash issue after staggering defeats at the hands of the homosexual and trans agenda back to back? They can't be that dumb, can they? THEY TOTALLY CAN
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Epic High Five posted:So is porn going to be the new evangelical flash issue after staggering defeats at the hands of the homosexual and trans agenda back to back? I suspect it's because a lot of the devout Christian married guys who are really into the kinky stuff are too dumb to not get caught by their wives, and this lets them evade personal responsibility.
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StandardVC10 posted:They can't be that dumb, can they? Bobbin Threadbare posted:And honestly I think this is kind of relevant, because some conservatives still celebrate Anthony loving Comstock and the GOP considers pornography a "public health crisis." It's the same sort of urge to control and limit access to supposedly sinful and dissenting opinions. Good luck with that, guys. I mean, it's only been, what, forty years since pornography got completely legalized in the United States? And twenty years since the internet made it impossible to restrict access to porn thanks to foreign sites that don't abide by American laws? But I'm sure this will go down better than gay marriage and trans bathrooms have.
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