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CharlestheHammer posted:Their favorite storyline was the robot parent one in the 90s obviously. so what you're saying is, there's an Ultimate Clone Saga movie in the works
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Raserys posted:so what you're saying is, there's an Ultimate Clone Saga movie in the works You think Tobey and Andrew Garfield weren't clones and this wasn't their plan all along?
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Raserys posted:So far, I think Tom Holland has the capacity to be both a good Peter Parker and a good Spiderman. Waiting until his movie comes out to judge. He also annoys enemies by talking a lot, which is great and the most "Spiderman" trait I can imagine. I feel some people really overstate how crucial this is to Spider-man's character. I liked Tom just fine but he didn't really get enough screen time for me to compare him to Maguire or Garfield.
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X-O posted:Sam Raimi cast a really good Peter and Mary Jane. Just a shame it was five years later and in the roles of Eddie Brock and Gwen Stacy instead. What a missed opportunity on all counts. Tobey's Peter was just a constantly mopey sad sack that I could never get into him in the role. Add to the fact that he and Dunst had negative charisma together. Also the guy is the worlds ugliest crier.
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Cry pretty, Jessica.
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Lurdiak posted:I feel some people really overstate how crucial this is to Spider-man's character. I liked Tom just fine but he didn't really get enough screen time for me to compare him to Maguire or Garfield. even "great responsibility" and "does whatever a spider can" rate below "quips in the face of danger" with regards to what makes a good Spider-Man ("You remembered the hyphen!")
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Out of all the Spider-Mans I'm actually still the most impressed by Toby Maguire's, if only because the character has a sort of central thesis (AKA world' biggest sad sack) and Toby embodies it really well. So that's a credit to both Raimi and Maguire. Andrew Garfield was acceptable, and Tom Holland has potential, but OTOH I feel like it's not ... hard? Or challenging? Or particularly charming, at least, to write or act "awkward young guy just doing his best". I don't think the heavy stuttering and general social bumbling particularly does credit to either actor. But then, maybe it's a character type that's really common right now, so IMO it's hard to make this kind of character stand out to me. I was OK with both TASMs, and am looking forward to Homecoming, but Peter needs to have more going for him, I guess.
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Topher Grace didn't honk any truck horns so he was a terrible Venom.
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Four Score posted:look I can't take any villain seriously when, every time they're on screen, Kurtwood Smith's voice is in my head calling him a dumbass Yeah seriously, that guy will never not be Eric Foreman
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JT Smiley posted:What a missed opportunity on all counts. Tobey's Peter was just a constantly mopey sad sack that I could never get into him in the role. Add to the fact that he and Dunst had negative charisma together. Seriously, I don't understand how anyone enjoyed watching a Peter Parker who looked and sounded like he was seconds away from bursting into tears at all times. I'll admit that my memory might be a little exaggerated because I've avoided those movies like the plague for about fifteen years, but I really don't get anyone who thinks Maguire was anything other than terrible casting.
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Sep 3, 2016 05:31
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Tobey Peter should have banged next door immigrant cookie chick instead of MJ, she was by far the better catch. That's his main failing as a character.
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Chaos Hippy posted:Seriously, I don't understand how anyone enjoyed watching a Peter Parker who looked and sounded like he was seconds away from bursting into tears at all times. I'll admit that my memory might be a little exaggerated because I've avoided those movies like the plague for about fifteen years, but I really don't get anyone who thinks Maguire was anything other than terrible casting. Someone never read early ASM.
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Rough Lobster posted:Tobey Peter should have banged next door immigrant cookie chick instead of MJ, she was by far the better catch. That's his main failing as a character. She seemed like she maybe wasn't supposed to come across as an adult?
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Roth posted:You think Tobey and Andrew Garfield weren't clones and this wasn't their plan all along? andrew garfield is playing ultimate scorpion, tobey is playing ultimate kaine 
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CharlestheHammer posted:Someone never read early ASM. Every time I try to read 60's-era Marvel comics, I end up regretting it.
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Rough Lobster posted:Tobey Peter should have banged next door immigrant cookie chick instead of MJ, she was by far the better catch. That's his main failing as a character. Yeah it was distracting how in a movie with (sorta) two love interests for Peter this totally minor side character seemed way more charming and a better fit for him. Although yeah maybe she was supposed to be too young for him, it wasn't clear. Man, MJ isn't great in any of those movies, but she is so detestable in 3. Not that Peter making out in public with some other woman and thinking she wouldn't mind was much better.
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Peter stops understanding social interactions in 3. Maybe Venom causes autism.
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It's funny that in a movie where Venom was shoe-horned in, Sandman is the one who feels like he has no loving business in the story.
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He killed a uncle Ben. Or didn't. I forget. It taught Peter an important lesson that uh...
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All I want from Homecoming is the soliloquy from my favorite Spider-Man story, Love Be A Vulture Tonight, finally given on the big screen.
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Aphrodite posted:He killed a uncle Ben. Or didn't. I forget. "You should totally let criminals get away"
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Chaos Hippy posted:Every time I try to read 60's-era Marvel comics, I end up regretting it. Mid-late sixties Amazing Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and The Mighty Thor are the bedrock that Marvel is built on. It's so wild seeing the first appearences of things that have endured 50+ years. The first two John Romita issues of Amazing Spider-Man are the only time that amnesia has been used well to resolve a story. Probably the best Green Goblin story that doesn't involve someone getting thrown off a bridge.
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I hope they tone down how often Peter says "awesome" in Homecoming and give him some other adjectives to work with.
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Sad that Peter has never learned the true lesson, that he must be the one to kill his own family.
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JT Smiley posted:What a missed opportunity on all counts. Tobey's Peter was just a constantly mopey sad sack that I could never get into him in the role. Add to the fact that he and Dunst had negative charisma together. Needs a cry-off with Claire Danes to settle this for sure.
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greatn posted:She seemed like she maybe wasn't supposed to come across as an adult? She seemed like a young adult to me, but the rest of the cast is forty year olds playing high school kids so she comes across as much younger.
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muscles like this? posted:I don't know why someone at Sony was really into doing stuff with Peter's parents. Characters who really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. They had to set up the "Peter Parker's Mum and Dad Shared Cinematic Universe".
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teagone posted:I hope they tone down how often Peter says "awesome" in Homecoming and give him some other adjectives to work with. I'll be blown away if we don't get a recreation of the "Amazing" "Spectacular" joke from Civil War.
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Wheat Loaf posted:They had to set up the "Peter Parker's Mum and Dad Shared Cinematic Universe". The ASM movies acknowledging Peter's mom, that's funny. Did they even say her name at any point?
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:It was Martha right? Why did you say that?
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BiggerBoat posted:Why did you say that? Martha is his mom's name!
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Lurdiak posted:It's funny that in a movie where Venom was shoe-horned in, Sandman is the one who feels like he has no loving business in the story. Yeah, everyone always rips on SM3 for Venom but Sandman always really cheeses me off. Because his whole backstory completely ruins Spider-Man's origin! Sandman kills Ben, so the robber Peter lets go does nothing, thereby making Peter's non-intervention meaningless! With great power, SonicRulez posted:I'll be blown away if we don't get a recreation of the "Amazing" "Spectacular" joke from Civil War. "Amazing" "Spectacular" "Web Of" "Peter Parker: Spider-Man poo poo I REVEALED MYSELF AGAIN"
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BrianWilly posted:I honestly find Tom Holland a little bit bland, emote-wise. I think Maguire is understandably a better actor and Garfield is way more expressive. I can see Holland fits the mold of the dew-faced overburdened-yet-idealistic Peter Parker that they're building, though. Try watching In the Heart of the Sea. Both him and Thor star in it. And theyre both good.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Someone at Sony fought to have the ending of Amazing Spider-Man 2 be Peter visiting his Dad's grave and then his Dad also shows up at his grave and tells him he's been in hiding. They literally stole the ending to Metal Gear Solid 4, a series known for ridiculous and so-stupid-it's-silly plot lines, and tried to make it serious and dramatic. I tried to find it but there was this article with I think Orci talking about dropping his kids off and chatting with Kurtzman about doing a movie, then getting excited about making a Spider-man that was badass and wasn't a wimp. That's how this movie was made.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Someone at Sony fought to have the ending of Amazing Spider-Man 2 be Peter visiting his Dad's grave and then his Dad also shows up at his grave and tells him he's been in hiding. They literally stole the ending to Metal Gear Solid 4, a series known for ridiculous and so-stupid-it's-silly plot lines, and tried to make it serious and dramatic. To be fair, the electronic music angle worked pretty well. The best thing I heard about AMS2(not that that's saying much) was the soundtrack. The rest of that is pure dumb exec though. Shageletic posted:I tried to find it but there was this article with I think Orci talking about dropping his kids off and chatting with Kurtzman about doing a movie, then getting excited about making a Spider-man that was badass and wasn't a wimp. That's how this movie was made. I'd like to see Spider-Man a little more buff and stuff, if only because that's the one I grew up with. I didn't really get into modern comic reading until about 2009 or 10, so my defining Spider-Man experience was old 90s comics and pre-2000 cartoons where the "man" part of his name made sense. Never been a fan of scrawny Spidey.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He didn't quip, the most important Spidey trait! Uhhh he had the best quips? https://youtu.be/yeAU1WmZHX0
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Bendis has a story about being hired to add some quips to the Spidey 1 script but they were cut out for being too quippy.
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