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Brown Moses posted:Syria in a nutshell part 2 billion Rofl
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Friendly Humour posted:My impression is that Arab countries have very similar military cultures and organization. Ie, the importance of 'face' among commanding officers that severely punishes failures and demands that commanders seem invincible, hence the tendency to blame others and inability to cop to your own mistakes and learn from them. Oh look, literally the exact rhetoric people put on the Chinese.
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Sep 3, 2016 16:29
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computer parts posted:Oh look, literally the exact rhetoric people put on the Chinese. Yeah, it's weird. No siree bob this sure ain't racist bullshit generalizations dressed up by a lovely 'authoritative' article. I mean, sure, we're going to use the exact same terminology to describe people who live a whole continent apart but it's not generalizing at all.
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Sep 3, 2016 16:48
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computer parts posted:Oh look, literally the exact rhetoric people put on the Chinese. They're not wrong there either??
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Sep 3, 2016 17:03
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It's about authoritarian regimes having similar problems due to focus on political reliability over competence. It doesn't need to be racist or orientalist. It is a trend, not a rule, and obviously there are exceptions. I think national/religious liberation movements tend to allow the best to rise to the top more effectively.
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Sep 3, 2016 17:05
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computer parts posted:Oh look, literally the exact rhetoric people put on the Chinese. I'm not that well informed on Chinese military culture, but if you say so.
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Sep 3, 2016 17:25
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Friendly Humour posted:I'm not that well informed on Chinese military culture, but if you say so. Culture in general actually. The whole "face" thing is just a weird dogwhistle.
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Sep 3, 2016 17:28
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The closer similarity between Arab armies and the PLA is that both are show forces primarily to quell internal dissent more than externally facing militaries.
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Sep 3, 2016 17:36
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mother of the year right here
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Sep 3, 2016 18:06
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Brother Friendship posted:The entire war is an exercise in pissing away lives. From what I understand Iran essentially reforged the SAA once the rebels started receiving foreign backing by taking the vast stockpiles of armor and weaponry the SAA had accumulated and then dispersing them to various militias (NDF as a common force focused on local defense, Tigers as an elite force focused on key offensive and defensive actions). Combined with a legal decree that allowed private businessmen to create their own militias this swelled the numbers of fighters loyal to the regime but crippled its integrity as a cohesive armed force loyal to a central government because instead of the strict hierarchy of an army Iran replaced it something more analogous to the rebel forces, where small war bands control their own little fiefdoms and answer only nominally to the greater 'cause' to which they are pledged. Essentially what happened in both South Aleppo and Hama is that the local NDF charged with garrison duty failed in their duties to either prepare their defenses or hold them, which ripped a hole in Assad's lines and allowed the rebels to pour through. The only way to plug those holes is with the elite forces but that then exposes them to the casualties associated with front line fighting in contrast to their preferred method of using the NDF to hem in rebel forces and employ the elite soldiers only when victory can be assured through sheer advantage in firepower. That article a few pages back makes forces like the Tigers seem like a random collection of random Army, local toughs, and criminals almost as likely to attack their own (or make a buck by selling to their enemies) as attack the rebels, and SAA HQ is holding onto them by the skin of their teeth. Good article, btw.
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Sep 3, 2016 18:20
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1stGear posted:Looking on syriancivilwarmap.com, any idea what the rationale behind the recent Daesh offensive near Al-Ra'i is? Are they just picking someone they can beat up? Ikasuhito posted:I would say its more of a counterattack than an offensive. IS needs to have the Turkish border open to them so they can smuggle troops, supplies and oil across to keep the war effort going. As such its very important that they keep control of as much of the border as they can for as long as they can. It is an attack of necessity and desperation. Other news: okay, so yesterday Liwa al-Tahrir, one of the FSA groups in the SDF, apparently decided that Turkey was a better option than the SDF: https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/771636237627035648 quote:Liwa al-Tahrir announced that it would leave the YPG-led SDF due to the group's policies and called for remodel of the coalition https://twitter.com/archicivilians/status/771700210150076416 quote:After 2 days of tensions, Liwaa al-Tahrir defected from #SDF and joined #FSA's Euphrates Shield in #Jarablus. https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/771645087390380032 quote:50 militants from Liwa al-Tahrir are reportedly in Jarablus after defecting from SDF However, today this video was released: https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/771972744774717440 quote:Liwa Ahrar Raqqa leader releases video denying reports of clashes/defections from SDF
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Sep 3, 2016 18:26
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computer parts posted:Culture in general actually. The whole "face" thing is just a weird dogwhistle. And you're the dog then, come bark us up for daring to mention culture. Keep it up mate, you keep us all on the right path.
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Sep 3, 2016 18:40
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Friendly Humour posted:And you're the dog then, come bark us up for daring to mention culture. Keep it up mate, you keep us all on the right path. Truly the Eastern Hordes are incomprehensible.
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Sep 3, 2016 18:45
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That's racist...
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Sep 3, 2016 18:49
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I'm starting to think this road of yours might take us to rather uncomfortable places.
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Sep 3, 2016 18:50
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Let's take the road less traveled.
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Sep 3, 2016 18:51
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Hell, it was about time for another picture montage!
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Sep 3, 2016 18:54
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I noticed something in a new TOW video from Hama. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZmOpiPtNSI It seems that the soldiers standing to the right of the ZSU that is being targeted are in fact posts with uniforms on them. This seems to either be an attempt at countering TOWs, or more dire for the regime, a force multiplier to hide a lack of manpower.  
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Sep 3, 2016 19:00
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computer parts posted:Culture in general actually. The whole "face" thing is just a weird dogwhistle. TIL:culture is a racist construct
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Sep 3, 2016 19:13
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Kurtofan posted:TIL:culture is a racist construct Saying "The Arab is militarily impotent because he values face over victory" is racist.
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Sep 3, 2016 19:17
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https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/772127921511071744
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Sep 3, 2016 19:44
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So did the FSA break off the attack against SDF before taking on Daesh or is that still going on?
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Sep 3, 2016 19:53
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rear end struggle posted:I noticed something in a new TOW video from Hama. Jesus Christ. There's obviously more of those "fake soldiers", especially surrounding the ZSU, because when it explodes, there's posts sent flying. The ruse obviously would only work once, because it seems any explosion would blow the uniform off the post. Any idea what type of position this is? Like perimeter defense, checkpoint, etc.? Defensive position inflating their numbers is a really bad sign. computer parts posted:Saying "The Arab is militarily impotent because he values face over victory" is racist. Yep. Pop quiz: Which country did the world leader who declared "peace with honor" upon signing a war-ending treaty belong to? Big clue, it wasn't an Arabic one.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:15
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Why would you put an AFV in the middle of decoys meant to draw fire 
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Sep 3, 2016 20:18
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Friendly Humour posted:Why would you put an AFV in the middle of decoys meant to draw fire They're there to make the position look more threatening, not draw fire.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:20
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Somebody should probably tell the SAA that's not how decoys work in the age of gunpowder
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Sep 3, 2016 20:23
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I mean if you don't have anything there to fire back with the ruse falls apart quickly.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:24
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Quicker than the ZSU?
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Sep 3, 2016 20:26
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If it works even a few times, uselessly expended hostile tow's for the cost of a few uniforms- it's not a bad exchange. It's hardly clausewitz but not exactly abu hajaar level either.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:30
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Whatever the attempt it didn't do to much good. Here looks to be the same position a bit later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8vGQhwbdM Friendly Humour posted:I don't think that particular missile was uselessly expended. Or was it? Idk, but that looks like a working ZSU to me. Maybe they were asking for directions. It was firing in the first video so it was real. Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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Sep 3, 2016 20:33
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I don't think that particular missile was uselessly expended. Or was it? Idk, but that looks like a working ZSU to me. Maybe they were asking for directions.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:34
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Wow. This is an old warfare trick,but it's usually meant to draw sniper fire. Putting your BGM in the middle of them is dumb and stupid. I'd love to know what those guys were saying at the end.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:36
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Young Freud posted:Jesus Christ. There's obviously more of those "fake soldiers", especially surrounding the ZSU, because when it explodes, there's posts sent flying. The ruse obviously would only work once, because it seems any explosion would blow the uniform off the post. Any idea what type of position this is? Like perimeter defense, checkpoint, etc.? Defensive position inflating their numbers is a really bad sign. This is point 50, basically the last strong point before Qomhana, which is the last town between rebels and Hamah Friendly Humour posted:I don't think that particular missile was uselessly expended. Or was it? Idk, but that looks like a working ZSU to me. Maybe they were asking for directions. The ZSU is in fact real and firing in the video. So force multiplication seems more likely.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:40
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Friendly Humour posted:Quicker than the ZSU? I mean an assault on the position. I'm obviously no military expert, but I'd imagine completely fictitious positions would fall apart after just a few minutes of observations. I would think you only use those to bait air power since it's much harder to judge whether a site is active or not from the air.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:53
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hey im doing a short paper as part of the intro to course im taking on the history of the Arab and Muslim world. We're talking about modern Orientalism/Islamaphobia and holy poo poo it's hitting me just now how much poo poo I can think of off the top my head that's happened recently that are big examples of islamaphobia. -the way the media portrayed a lot of happenings during the arab spring -the rightwing/general media reaction the iran nuclear deal -the iran-naval boat incident with the captured sailors and the reaction surrounding it -the media coverage of the benghazi consulate attack and the resulting fallout and misinformation campaign -donald trumps entire presidential campaign -the entire rnc -the recent murder of a lebanese man in tulsa -the media coverage of the orlando nightclub massacre -authorities dragging their feet on a florida mosque being burnt down being arson/a hate crime i could literally go on
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Sep 3, 2016 21:08
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Ikasuhito posted:Whatever the attempt it didn't do to much good. Here looks to be the same position a bit later. Filmed from another perspective. That big section from 30 seconds to 1:12 is the rebels fighting against ths ZSU gun, which surprisingly doesn't seem to get a bead on them. I'm certain, at 40 seconds in, you see the TOW screaming past.
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Sep 3, 2016 21:27
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rear end struggle posted:I noticed something in a new TOW video from Hama. Good eye. It makes sense to put up a a tempting dummy targets to make the rebels waste ammo and opportunity then start looking for smoke, but not next to a real and even more tempting target. But conscripting Quakers and their weapons to the front line have almost allways been a sure indicator of the amount of poo poo your army is in.
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Sep 3, 2016 21:28
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Kurtofan posted:TIL:culture is a racist construct Culture as an immutable and essential quality of an ethnic or national group, that is of primary importance in explaining the behavior of individuals of such groups, is a racist construct, yes icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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Sep 3, 2016 21:41
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Friendly Humour posted:Why would you put an AFV in the middle of decoys meant to draw fire Maybe it's just laundry day, you racist.
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Sep 3, 2016 21:46
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I am so horribly racist towards the Arab military culture if makea me poo poo TOWs and post soldiers
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